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Date:: 20 Dec 1999

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To Xtreme GT,

I have the same problem on my car, only when it's cold outside. Once the car warms up it's fine. It's a lifter problem.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 20 Dec 1999

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I am new to this list but wanted to add my racing experience to the list. I have a 1994 Stealth TT and do my racing at the track. I was at Englishtown NJ in November and made it to the finals. I run in the High 11,s at 120MPH. I have raced Viper GTS's C5's Supra's and of course all of the Fbodies and mustangs. I have never been beaten by any of these cars in stock form. I have no internal engine mods and have between 550 to 600 HP at the crank from nothing more that bolt on's. VR4's and TT are great cars and when modified correctly will out perform any production car made including the Lambo

Date:: 20 Dec 1999

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I HAVE A GREEN 1997 MITSU 3000 GT VR-4. I BOUGHT IT IN COLUMBUS OHIO AT A MITSU DEALER. IT HAS 17,000 MILES AND A LOAD OF GOODIES. K&N AIR FILTER, HKS BOOST CONTROLLER, BLOW OFF VALVE, BORLA 3" EXHAUST, AND DIFFERENT SPRINGS (SUSP).THE CAR RUNS 13.60 WITHOUT THE BOOST AND 12.90 WITH THE BOOST. THIS CAR IS -ONE- OF THE MOST FASTEST AND BEST HANDLING CAR THAT I HAVE EVER DRIVEN. I SAY ONE OF THE MOST BECAUSE, I ALSO OWN A 1967 PLYMOUTH GTX WITH A 500 CUBIC INCH MOTOR UNDER THE HOOD. THE CAR RUNS 9.80'S ON THE STREET WITH 200 HP OF NITROS. THE 3000 GT IS MY DAILY DRIVER, AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER CAR OUT THERE TO DRIVE YEAR ROUND (SPORTS CAR).

WHAT IS A GOOD EVENT TO TAKE MY 3000 GT VR-4 TO, AND WHEN IS IT. HELP.......

JAKE 97 VR-4

Date:: 20 Dec 1999

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To the guy wanting to put VR-4 emblems on his base 3000GT: Are you nuts? Do you actually think that true VR-4 owners will condone this? VR4 owners spent $30,000 more and got the real thing, and aren't afraid to prove it. The first time you'd go to race some hot-head Mustang/Camaro owner and got your sh_t stomped you'd make the rest of us look bad and we have a serious reputation to maintain.

Carls' VR4-Spyder, Austin TX

Date:: 21 Dec 1999

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To the gentleman with the 94 Stealth TT:

First, welcome to the site. I've done mods(light in comparison to yours) to my car as well, K&N FIPK, Borla exhaust, ATR, Blitz DBSC and gapped plugs. I've always wondered if the VR4 or Stealth TT lose their streetability(lack of a better word) when their running over 500 horsepower. How well does your car drive with so much horsepower? I'm around 410 HP now and nothing has really changed as far as how the car drives other than it being much quicker than stock. I would imagine that the car wouldn't be any easier to drive as power increases or would it? Thanks in advance.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 21 Dec 1999

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Greg & to 94 TT, its Gus from OKC, I have a 91 TT and a 91 R/T, what bolt-ons do you have to be running it the 11's, and Greg how does your car rev to 8,000rpm. rm2 glauber@tacamo.navy.mil Gus sends//

Date:: 21 Dec 1999

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I am new to this list but I would like to share my racing experience. I have a 1994 TT and do my racing at the track. I run in the high 11's at 120MPH. I was at the November Import shootout at Englishtown NJ and made it to the finals with a full interior and not engine mods. I have between 550 to 600 HP at the crank with nothing more than bolt on's. I have raced c5's vipers, fbodies, mustangs and have never lost to any of these in the stock version. When modified correctly the VR4/TT can take any production car in the !/4 including the lambo.

Date:: 21 Dec 1999

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Sorry about the repeat message. Did not realize that yesterdays message got through. To repond to the question about streetability, it is as good as stock with a few exceptions. It is louder with a significant growl and the idle has a tendency to pulse, however other than that I car drive it as often as I Please and since I live in the Washington DC area that is saying a lot. Regards 1994 TT

Date:: 21 Dec 1999

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Mitsubishi makes cheesy cars.

Date:: 22 Dec 1999

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Hey 94 TT: What "bolt-ons" do you have for that kind of HP? I'd like to get that much HP with mine with just "bolt'ons". I assume "bolt ons" are just what the name implies..? George Yellow 95 VR4

Date:: 22 Dec 1999

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Hi George,

Generally a bolt on will be any existing part that can be replaced quickly (so to speak). I.E. Exhaust, Intake, Turbos, Headers, Intercoolers, Boost Gauge, Fuel Pump, etc. would be considered a Bolt-On.

Internal Mods would consist of Head Gasket, Rocker panels, cams, pistons, etc, etc. Basically anything IN the engine.

I have yet to find out what Extrude Honing or Port and Polish would be considered as. =) Hope this helps.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 22 Dec 1999

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OK i have a couple of things to say. One, i just finished looking at the stories and when I read about the 930hp 3000gt and the 944hp Skyline I had to comment. First of all, the Skyline is what its name says. It can only go in a line. Its handling in the game and real life is bad. Also if you tune it up like in the game, it should be made for the sky. It goes 0-60 in about 2-3 secs.

Now about this 260mph thing. Well in the game i maxed the 92gto(fastest car in the game) with the gears tuned, the spoilers down, and some other ajustments, at 265. Now when i drafted i got it to 269. Now lets think this threw. If a car with 600+hp(McLaren F-1 can go over 230mph, even though it weights nothing, then logically a car with 928hp can go way over 250. But to someone who knows cars, it is something hard to swallow. But it can be done, and almost any car can be tuned to 930hp. Also, a while back, there was a car that had 105-hp, and weighed 4,150lbs. I think it was the salt lake or something, it went 295mph. So again logically a car that weight about 3000lbs or so, and 930hp,. i think it can go 250+.

I own a 99VR-4, custom paint(red&black stripes) NOT YET tuned in any way exept being lowered and 20 inch rims, i got my baby to go 172mph, 10mph faster than what is being said the VR-4 can do. I have the GTECH PRO and my best 0-60 time was 4.8 secs. Better than any camaro or stang. I also have a Mustang cobra. The feel is just so much different. In the Stang i feel slower than the VR-4. Cause it is. I am a big Viper fan, and American car fan, but personally, I think that the Camaro, the tease Mustang, and the Corvette needs to really go back to its roots. But still no car is better than the Hennessey Venom Viper 650R(0-60 3.3; 0-100 7.0; 0-150 11.7; top speed track limited 215) I just had to say that. Just to show, even as much as i like the VR-4, whos the boss in the sports car world.

Date:: 22 Dec 1999

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Now about this 260mph thing. Well in the game i maxed the 92gto(fastest car in the game) with the gears tuned, the spoilers down, and some other ajustments, at 265. Now when i drafted i got it to 269. Now lets think this threw. If a car with 600+hp(McLaren F-1 can go over 230mph, even though it weights nothing, then logically a car with 928hp can go way over 250. But to someone who knows cars, it is something hard to swallow. But it can be done, and almost any car can be tuned to 930hp. Also, a while back, there was a car that had1050hp, and weighed 4,150lbs. I think it was the salt lake or something, it went 295mph. So again logically a car that weight about 3000lbs or so, and 930hp,. i think it can go 250+.

I own a 99VR-4, custom paint(red&black stripes) NOT YET tuned in any way exept being lowered and 20 inch rims, i got my baby to go 172mph, 10mph faster than what is being said the VR-4 can do. I have the GTECH PRO and my best 0-60 time was 4.8 secs. Better than any camaro or stang. I also have a Mustang cobra. The feel is just so much different. In the Stang i feel slower than the VR-4. Cause it is. I am a big Viper fan, and American car fan, but personally, I think that the Camaro, the tease of a sports car Mustang, and the Corvette needs to really go back to its roots. But still no car is better than the Hennessey Venom Viper 650R(0-60 3.3; 0-100 7.0; 0-150 11.7; top speed track limited 215) I just had to say that. Just to show, even as much as i like the VR-4, who's the boss in the sports car world.

Date:: 22 Dec 1999

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Now about this 260mph thing. Well in the game i maxed the 92gto(fastest car in the game) with the gears tuned, the spoilers down, and some other ajustments, at 265. Now when i drafted i got it to 269. Now lets think this threw. If a car with 600+hp(McLaren F-1 can go over 230mph, even though it weights nothing, then logically a car with 928hp can go way over 250. But to someone who knows cars, it is something hard to swallow. But it can be done, and almost any car can be tuned to 930hp. Also, a while back, there was a car that had1050hp, and weighed 4,150lbs. I think it was the salt lake or something, it went 295mph. So again logically a car that weight about 3000lbs or so, and 930hp,. i think it can go 250+.

I own a 99VR-4, custom paint(red&black stripes) NOT YET tuned in any way exept being lowered and 20 inch rims, i got my baby to go 172mph, 10mph faster than what is being said the VR-4 can do. I have the GTECH PRO and my best 0-60 time was 4.8 secs. Better than any camaro or stang. I also have a Mustang cobra. The feel is just so much different. In the Stang i feel slower than the VR-4. Cause it is. I am a big Viper fan, and American car fan, but personally, I think that the Camaro, the tease of a sports car Mustang, and the Corvette needs to really go back to its roots. But still no car is better than the Hennessey Venom Viper 650R(0-60 3.3; 0-100 7.0; 0-150 11.7; top speed track limited 215) I just had to say that. Just to show, even as much as i like the VR-4, who's the boss in the sports car world.

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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To the last post (no name left), Few things, even though the game is base on real characteristics of the real cars, it is not real life. Also, the mathematics of your 20 inch rims are going give your speedo inacurate reading, but at the same time those same mathematics will cause you to be slower off the line, but have a higher top speed.

Probably stuff you already know, but still my 2 cents.

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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To 99VR-4/Rob,

I will have to concur with Rob about your 20 inch wheels will give you an inaccurate reading, also our speedos at higher speeds are a little inaccurate.

To 99 VR-4, Wow, 20 inch wheels, nice, must be really expensive. I know how much my 18" chrome rims cost I'd hate to imagine what the 20s cost.

You mentioned you got 0-60 in 4.8 secs that's pretty impressive considering you haven't done any mod upgrades. Was this from one run or several runs.

Oh, btw, how did a Mustang and Camaro owner go out and buy a 99 VR-4. BTW, with the amount of money you've spent on the 99 VR4, the Mustang and Camaro you could have got yourself a slightly used Viper.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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Something i have not read about that is a major issue with a VR-4 (I'm sure the other models as well)is insurance. Just out of curiosity what do some of you guys pay on insurance? I am 29,single, 1 accident (and 1 pending)and pay $210 / mo.

joe/97 VR-4

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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$210/month?! LUCKY!!!! I'm 21, male, single, 1 speeding ticket, and I pay 190. What makes it sad is, I have a BASE 3k...

Marv's base

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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Guys, it gets better :-) I'm 39, married, no accidents and I'm paying $166/mo for two drivers, a 91-VR4, a 95-VR4 Spyder, and a 95 Plymouth Voyager.

Jim

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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I don't know where your getting your insurance, but for me a 17 YEAR OLD, 1 driver, full coverage, 180 a month,

Greg 92 VR-4

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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TT: So again; what bolt-on mods do u have for that kind of HP? George 95 Yellow VR4

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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While we are on the subject of insurance:

19, Full Coverage at ~125/month. =) Yes, it's a TT.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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Has anyone done the bleeder trick to up their boost to 14psi....What is the top end on these cars anyway???Insurance? I am with Farmers 91 R/T, 91 R/T TT, and a 94 Taurus SHO(family sleeper). Greg e-mail me at my work rm2 glauber@tacamo.navy.mil

Gus sends//

Date:: 23 Dec 1999

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Oooops $175/mo. Gus sends//

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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22 Single, one ticket, base 3K, full coverage, live in CALIFORNIA: $150/mo

Chris's 93 Blacksunshine

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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I'm in Illinois and coverage for me is $202/month. That's with a clean driving record and safety driving certificate.

To Gus: Top end for VR4/Stealth TT is about 160mph give or take a few mph.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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Ho ho ho. For every good Mustang, Camaro, and Firebird owners out there, I will be putting a 3000GT VR4 in your garage this Christmas!! Ho ho ho!!! Santa

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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Hi, same guy here that wanted to put the emblems on his base 99' 3000GT

I pulled onto a 4 lane rd, turning on a red light, and I wasn't speeding at all. Just slightly shifting through the gears, gaining speed. When I looked in my rear view mirror, and saw a 97-99 Corvette coming up on me. He switched in the lane to the left of me, and I could tell his intentions were to pass me. I was running in 3rd gear doing about 4200rpms, so I shifted to second, and caught about 5600rmps. I jerked forward and gained on him. When I shifted into 3rd, I had a clean powerband to work with, and between 3-5krpms is where my car really shines. I pulled up next to him and looked over, the asshole wouldn't look at me. But then I looked down at my speedometer, and we were going about 70-75. I pulled into 4th and lurched forward again, doing about 80-90, I had him by a car length at least. But- (and this is the part I really regret) I slowed down to turn, because I couldn't miss my turn, he flew by me, and I looked back to see his brakelights.

I'm not sure if he was playing with me, or hardcore trying to race me. But it definately was an adrenaline rush. (for me at least)

I know most of you guys have big heads because you have a VR-4. But if you ever see anyone with a base 99, see if they'll let you take it for a spin. You might be amazed---

Maybe not.

Brian 99 BASE 3000GT Conyers, GA License Plate = 'MATRIX'

Red/Tan

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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20 years old 93-vr4 no tickets full coverage $190 10 months

Date:: 24 Dec 1999

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Heya Brian,

Not to be "raining on your parade" but I am guessing he was playing with you. You gotta remember that most of these japanese sports cars were made to be somewhat of a rival to the corvette. The 300ZX, vr4, and supra are equal if not better than the corvettes of their day.

I drive a TT now, which is ALOT different than my old '85 Z n/a. They each have a different feel. I don't think the guys with vr4's are hotheads, but have been there and done that. I will tell you this, usually we all want more power, and it seems it starts with the n/a then bumps up to modding that, and finally we go for the TT and so on and so forth. It's a vicious cycle. =) I'm getting there myself

'85 Stock(160hp) --> Modded(200hp) --> '90TT Stock(300hp) --> ???

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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Sup i posted the message on the 20 inch rims and damn am i pissed. I didn't know that it would affect the time. They are sweet. They sure as hell cost enough. $8,000. I am trying to sell my Mustang. I have to find out how much I can get for it.

as for getting the viper. I would, but the viper, and as much as i love the viper, it's not really a street car. I think that it belongs on the track, not the road. Just to have the urge to floor it, also trying not to tap the damn gas and fly. Also, when it's time for winter and it snows, into the garage along with all the other sport cars. The vr-4 on the other hand is pretty much an all season car. put some all-season tires and badda bing badda boom.

fernando

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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also if i fix the speedo, or change the tires back(temp) to the 18 inch, what will the numbers be then? vipermf vr-4 99

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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also if i fix the speedo, or change the tires back(temp) to the 18 inch, what will the numbers be then? vipermf vr-4 99

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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Oh man, I haven't been in here for a while. I've been saving my car up for a trip to California which was last night. I haven't done any racing or things like that yet so I thought this would be a great time to do it. I was going to take on all comers. Sad to say there wasn't much out there since it's Christmas Eve. Well, to make a nine hour trip short, my first run in was with a sporty Ford Escort. He ran at a constant 90 mph and I let him past me because I wanted to play catch up. It was going uphill to so I wanted to know how my car would perform. It didn't take long for me to get right behind him and then I passed him at about 110 mph. My adventure with this guy went on one more time and I finally let him go.

My next victim was a early '90's Accord. Once again I play the catch up game. I had to try a little harder this time because I gave him to much space between he and I. It took me awhile to catch him and when I did we were at about 115 mph. Passing him was a piece of cake. He and I played for about an hour then I had to exit to get gas.

About 30 minutes after getting gas, I caught up to an modified Plymouth Laser (early '90's). This guy was easy. We went uphill, down hill, straight aways, and curves. I liked this guy 'cause he just wouldn't give up. I met him in Yerka, California and we raced 'til we got to Redding, Ca. Now, here's when it got better. We caught up a '95 Camero Z28 and gassed it side beside on I-5. The Z28 and I said good-bye to the Laser within a couple of seconds and I was ahead at 110 mph. I knew I was ahead, but I didn't know where the Z28 went. It turns out that he was just in my blind spot. I slowed down and I saw him pulled up next to me. That's when I put the pedal to the medel and blew by him at 120 mph. I'd smoked the two of them and they never caught up.

That was the first time that I really raced my car and 120 mph is the fastest I've ever gone. My question for you more expereince guys is: I did all this acceleration in sixth gear, should I would have down shifted to 5th to start the race?

I know those cars I raced aren't the type I should be racing, but that was all the was out there. Maybe when I drive back I'll have better luck racing better cars.

John '95 VR-4

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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I have a 91 Vr4, and a clean record, I just got my renewal discount, and I pay 179 a month. Oh, I'm 22.

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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To the guy that wants to put VR-4 emblems on his base model 3000GT: Are you nuts? Do you really think that genuine VR-4 owners that payed $30,000 more are going to condone this behaviour. We have a serious reputation to uphold. Perhaps the C-5 owner didn't want to race you because he didn't want to waste his time. A VR-4 owner would have skipped his turn and given the Corvette a run for his money. Instead of us test driving a base model, how about you go give a VR4 a spin and see what you're missing. I don't like imposters! Btw, Merry Christmas! And guy's, look for my car in next months Turbo Magazine, with the help of a few friends and Turbo and R&T and 40 degree weather I finally broke into the "10 club" (10.86 1/4'). That's why I haven't been in here in a while, I've been busy and having mongo fun!

James HKS/VR4

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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I'm insured with Geico, 24, married, no speeding tickets or accidents. 97 VR4 and I pay 125/month.

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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james, u mean feburary, or january issue?

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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I totaly lucked out on a speeding ticket! I just got my VR-4 and while driving around in a small goldrush town in California, the police have nothing else better to do than to pull you over for stupid crap. I passed a car that was going slow just before the lane ends into one. Then, out of nowhere a police car with full lights and siren. All I needed was a ticket in my new VR-4. So I pull over and the usual license, reg. and insurance. He comes back and asks if I owned a Chevrolet. I thought what??(I used to monitor police band on my scanner as a hobby) For whatever reason, I had my Chevrolet registration in my VR-4 and not my Mitsubiishi!!! Remembering what the police guys used to say on the radio, I said,"Run an A and a B on my plate, and the RO should come up as me" which meant check the computer, in police language. He looked at me in total suprise, because what normal driver would say that unless he thought.... So he comes back to my car, gives me my papers, and tells me I have a clean record and disappears faster then he pulled me over! Whew!!!!! That was close!!! -26 year old punk kid in a 94 VR-4 (So I guess I won that one, didn't I??)

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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Turbo engines are stupid, with the exception of the Porsche 911T because the slant-6 is an amazing engine even in naturally aspirated form; unlike the measly 4-cam 32V V6 in the 3000GT SL. Theb there's the LS1, the Dodge 8.0L V10, the Ford DOHC 32V V8: those are all REAL engines. The same with hreat high-performance engines made by BWM, Ferarri, Mercedes-Benz, Acura, etc...those are all REAL engined becuase they produce lots of power in naturally aspirated form. In all cases except for Porsche, car companies chose turbocharging only because they don't know how to build a powerful naturally aspirated engine. The Acura NSX engine is the only true race-bred Japanese engine in the USA because it is ALL ENGINE...no funky little spooling accessories to push the engine beyond what it is capable of doing in naturally aspirated form. The same goes for the Honda S2000. Honda is the only Japanese company worthy of recognition because they know how to build powerful naturally aspirated engines. So you can just drive your 3000GT's and 300ZX's off a cliff becuase they are weak in any form.

Date:: 25 Dec 1999

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Turbo engines are stupid, with the exception of the Porsche 911T because the slant-6 is an amazing engine even in naturally aspirated form; unlike the measly 4-cam 32V V6 in the 3000GT SL. Then there's the LS1, the Dodge 8.0L V10, the Ford DOHC 32V V8: those are all REAL engines. The same with the high-performance engines made by BWM, Ferarri, Mercedes-Benz, Acura, etc...those are all REAL engines because they produce lots of power in naturally aspirated form. In all cases except for Porsche, car companies chose turbocharging only because they don't know how to build a powerful naturally aspirated engine. The Acura NSX engine is the only true race-bred Japanese engine in the USA because it is ALL ENGINE...no funky little spooling accessories to push the engine beyond what it is capable of doing in naturally aspirated form. The same goes for the Honda S2000. Honda is the only Japanese company worthy of recognition because they know how to build powerful naturally aspirated engines. So you can just drive your 3000GT's and 300ZX's off a cliff becuase they have to be turbocharged to be able to produce any kind of power.

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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To the post above,

Wow I didn't know our cars' had 32V, great. So you think the Ferrari F40 and CART cars are weak, because they are Turbocharged. Oh, btw GM turbocharged a Camaro (or a TransAm)V6, in the late '80s, which happened to be the most powerful engine GM produced. I'll try to find the article again.

To James HKS/VR4,

When will your car be in Turbo mag (Jan or Feb)? I'd really like to see it. BTW, congrats on getting into the 10s. How much HP is your car pushing? oh, I guess I should just wait for the article.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Me again, btw, I've mentioned this one before put what about the Turbocharged C5 Lingenfelter (sp?)

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Hey Guys,

Now theres another clueless driver. It's bad enough that he doesn't know his own cars, let alone badmouthing ours. =) Lets see, as mentioned above they turbocharge Corvettes, Mustangs, Ferraris, Lotus, Camaros. I wonder if the person above understands what a supercharger is? Anyhow, how can you take someone seriously when they don't understand.

Just to give a little more info for the guy above.... The v6 camaro and v6 mustang are sold more than the v8 versions... something like 60% or v6's. But the strange thing is the v6 camaro is rated at 200Hp.. oh.. in your words, " because they don't know how to build a powerful naturally aspirated engine." I guess Chevy would be in that same ranking. Oh here's some more for you, those weak v6 japanese cars make more power than your camaro or mustang. The japanese make 220-225hp on the n/a versions. If you aren't ignorant you will understand....

U N D E R S T A N D

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Hey guys, just found this site and its nice to see fellow 3000GT owners. I have one question, i just bought a 97 3000GT SL, what should i do to improve it without killing the mpg. Also i'm not looking to race just improve a few things. I have to say that the 3000GT SL doesn't have the low end that i thought it would have but it can jump from 40 to 120 without much effort. All in all i'm impressed with the car. Much better than other sports cars i've owned. Hope everyone had a great X-mas.

Oh i 27, have GYCO insurance, no accidents and i have three cars on it. Its $160 a month.

Dano

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Brian,

Believe me, the Vette was just toying with you guy. The 99 base 3000GT is a nice car but its' definitely no hot rod. Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting the car down but 161 HP vs. 345 HP is not hard to figure out who would smoke who. Truth be told, with a professional driver in a 99 VR4 and the 97-99 Corvette, the VR4 would eventually get beaten. Even with a 75lb. shot of NOS, K&N FIPK, etc., your car still wouldn't stand a chance. Just the facts. As far as driving a base 3K, I had a 93 3KSL(222 HP), nice car, a sloth off the line, able to keep pace with a LT1 Camaro Z28 on the expressway from 50mph up to 100mph but certainly no match for a VR4 and a Vette. Unless you have some MAJOR modifications on your car, you might want to try and find a 2000 Celica GT-S or Honda Prelude to challenge.

Be real, you won't fool anyone into believing your car is a VR4. Do like I did, take great care of your car, save your money, be patient and trade in your 99 later for a new/used VR4. I think some of us (VR4 owners) drove slower or lesser cars before we got a VR4.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Oh!! James, congrats! You're really pushing that car for all it's worth. The track is closed up here for the winter but as soon as it opens up again, I'm going for the 12's. I'm at 13.2 now, need more practice on the launch but I'll get there. Who knows what will happen after I get into the 12's.

BTW, a good friend of mine will be visiting me in April with his 420HP Vette(98). I plan on smoking him even before I get the ARC2 fuel controller and larger fuel injectors. Would you by chance have the ARC2 in your car? If so, what do you think?

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Wait everybosy has it all wrong. This engine thing needs to be put into a totally different perspective. On the note of naturally aspirated engines: Ok---the best engine that Mitsubishi has is the V6, which makes 222(or is it 225?) horsepower in the 3000GT SL. The TT version of this engine is rated at 320 horsepower/315 torque. The best engine that Ford has is the Mustang Cobra V8, which makes 320 horsepower/315 torque. The best engine that GM has is the LS1, which makes 345 horsepower/350 torque. The TT versions of the LS1 and Cobra engines both make over 500 hp/500 torque. The point isn't the "V6 vs. V8" thing. It's the fact that TT versions of the best American engines make hundreds of more horsepower and torque than the TT versions of the best Japanese engines. That's all that matters. Now, if Acura was to come out with a TT NSX, the power ratings would be far better than the 320 hp/315 torque of the VR4's engine. even a TT S2000 2.0L 4Banger could match those numbers.

Date:: 26 Dec 1999

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Hey Guys! I just set my eyes on a FS red 95 Stealth TT today and I'm seriously thinking about buying it. It is fully loaded, leather, 62k miles and has the sweet 18" 5 spokes on it. Can anyone fill me in on what I should look for (any problem areas). I would greatly appreciate any and all help! :) Contact me @ misterkirkhammett@metallica.com or Mark

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By the way, the C5 was just humoring you guy. Mark

Date:: 27 Dec 1999

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Hello Anonymous person. =)

I totally agree with you that it doesn't matter the size of the engine. I was trying to make a point that the guy who quoted above didn't know anything. So I listed examples of cars that have been turbocharged. Just look at all these 9 sec civics. It's a living testimony of what a turbo can do on any car.

I don't see any problem with ppl coming on and askign questions, but when you come on badmouthing then you have a problem. Also the 300ZX n/a has 222, the supra has 220 and I think the 3/s has 225. There wasn't a non-turbo rx7. <--- Speaking of, it was a TT making 255 hp. Ahh, but the lack of weight truly made it an awesome car.

-Drew "Z"

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...oh, did i forget to mention the Chrysler's best engine: the 680 horsepower naturally aspirated 8.0L V10 that moves the Viper GTS-R. Makes ya wonder how much power that engine would make with twin turbochargers.

Date:: 27 Dec 1999

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All 3000GT SL's and Stealth R/T's have 3.0 litre 24-valve V6's that produce 222 HP and 201 lb./ft of torque.

There's no comparing a TT V8 with a TT V6. Sure the V8 is going to have a higher horsepower rating. Go figure. Look at Toyota's V8 VVT-i in the Lexus GS400. It's rated at 300 horsepower, normally aspirated. The Japanese automakers have no problem producing a V8. They just believe in efficient running engines as opposed to large displacement non-efficient engines. If they decided to slap twin-turbos on that V8(don't be surprised if they do), guess what? Four maybe five hundred horses(depending on the size of the turbos)wouldn't be a problem. Let's compare apples to apples and things would be a lot less complicated.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 27 Dec 1999

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Thank you Marc, my thought's exactly. All Mustang, Camaro and TransAm guys always seem to compare a V8 TT, to a V6 TT of course the V8 will have more HP. It's simple math the more displacement the more HP (more or less).

To the guy saying that our cars don't produce a lot of HP for a V6 TT, you're absolutely correct. With a simple boost increase and better fuel pump you can produce a lot of HP from the 3/S, Supra and 300ZX, but the companies that create these cars have to take a lot into consideration. Life of the engine, fuel economy, life of transmission, insurance costs, etc...

OH, btw the Mustang Cobra is 305 HP.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 27 Dec 1999

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Hey what's up everyone. Well i've been reading this war between n/a engines and turbo engines. Well, i have a vr-4 99. And as much as i like the 320hp twin turbo engine, tubo engines are not as good as n/a. I'm not saying there bad, i think there just better for many reasons. One being when you have a turbo engine you have to be much more careful with overheating. with the n/a they don't overheat that much. Almost all japan cars have turbo, but the best jap engine is the nsx's engine. It's powerful, and it's natural. However one thing that people don't understand is this. Imagin a Viper GTS with turbo!!!! imagine a V8 nsx turbo or a V8 vr-4 turbo, V8 supra Turbo. Or maybe even a V10 vr-4 turbo. The fact of the matter is, no matter what engine, n/a or Turbo, they are both great engines that should be credited.

99 yellow vr-4

Date:: 27 Dec 1999

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Brain,

Look for me in Conyers over the next few weeks. I have spied myself a '97 VR-4 that I am going to buy rather soon. I am wondering,though, how much was it for your special plate (Rockdale Co. registration and such?) As for the C5, my neighbor has one and it absolutely flies. Email me at bodell@lithonia.com and we will talk.

Date:: 28 Dec 1999

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Hey Jammer,

Where are you located? Give me an email at

nosuchsol@nosuchsol.com

I would like to confer with someone about talking to the webmaster.

-Drew "Z" NoSuchSol

Date:: 28 Dec 1999

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Guys, you can't just stick a turbo on any engine and especially a big American engine! You must have the proper compression ratio and ability to handle quick gaining rev's and high rpm's. Good engines get turbo charged, NOT engines that need help.

Date:: 28 Dec 1999

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Hey Guys,

So I am on my way to Best Buy and what pulls up next to me? Absolutely nothing! It was just a fun drive to go pick up the Matrix DVD. Sorry, no war story. =)

Did I ever mention the GS400 in Japan? It had a V6TT in the earlier models, goodness knows what they do to the new one!!! I was reading a story about a turbo charged gs400 v8. W/O the turbo they push 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. Could you imagine!! =) Darn my little tiny sports car.. get's beat by a sports sedan. =)

Date:: 28 Dec 1999

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-Drew "Z" forgot that part =D

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to the guy who want's to put the vr-4 emblems on the base model.if is a five speed is't ok,because a 5speed 3000gt will smoke the stock mustang gt ant the six bangers chevy/fords 200hp sport cars. but if you do that for looks thats cool but don't lie that you car is a vr-4.i'm the only one because my 5sd 95 3000gt,will smoke a z28 svt cobra,ws6,t/a and the c5,my 3000gt has 420hp it has nitro/x and a k/n intake and after maket fule injectors 12.40/120mph 1/4mile .170 top speed.

Date:: 29 Dec 1999

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This story is attributed to those who were beaten by the 89 GMC Jimmy. My best guess would be that this infamous vehicle is more than likely some sort of rip-off of a Typhoon from the early nineties. This would explain the intriguing 'four wheel spin' as well as the awesome display of speed, as they did do 0-60 in under five seconds. Now, I don't claim to know everything about vehicles, but I would say that this is the best explanation for this seemingly unbeatable, as well as unbelievable, ride. As for all of the bickering done between the Camaro, Firebird, Trans Am, Mustang, and all of us Stealth/3000GT owners, it's pointless. I don't feel as though I am any better than they, just that I have different tastes, and am willing to pay a little more to meet them. Yes, their cars are fast. Yes, so are ours. I had a 91 Stealth R/T when I was 18. I admit, at that age, I was wanting to race the hell out of that car and prove my manhood to the world. No more. I have a 97 3000GT VR-4 now. Friends of mine, both purveyors of import, as well as domestic, always attempt to taunt me into racing it. For what? Just so one of us can say his car is "better" than the other? Hell no. It doesn't mean that at all.. I have nothing to prove to anyone except myself, and I already proved myself in that way by buying the car I wanted for me, not anyone else. So, get what you want, love what you have, and let the others admire you for you, not your car.

Date:: 29 Dec 1999

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To the 89 Jimmy post,

Boy, I feel like I wrote that myself. I've come to the realization that a true car enthusiast appreciates all cars and the people who drive them. Unfortunately, not everyone is a enthusiast and rather than appreciate the choice of car you choose to buy and why you bought it, they prefer to talk you and the car down. I guess it all has to do with the level of the individual than anything. No reason to dislike Chevy, Ford, Pontiac or any other American car manufacturer or the people who drive them. Sure, if we're talking about horsepower, I could have taken my money to Chevy and bought a Vette or a Camaro but you know what, I don't want a Vette or Camaro. My eyes lit up the first time I saw the 3000GT and no other car has impacted me that way since. So, what's the obvious car I should be in? It doesn't have a damn thing to do with, "I'm American, so I should be driving an American made car." That's bull---- and I don't show any prejudice toward anyone or anything. Some folks need to become people enthusiasts before they become car enthusiasts. Thank you for attention. :-)

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 29 Dec 1999

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I own a 95 diamante which has a the 6G72 engine in it and all i have to say that it rocks. Both my parents worked in MMSA and i love the 3000GT. If any of you live in CA and know of the Ortega Hwy (basically mountain road with twist and turns,45 mph speed limit, not including 25 mph turns),the 3000 GT took the whole thing at 70+. The 3000GT is great and props to all you owners out there. I wish i had one. (+ chicks dig the car too)

Date:: 29 Dec 1999

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Yes, the Lexus GS400 is speedy for a sports sedan, it's actually lighter than the VR4, despite having 4 doors and a V8 engine. They only weigh something like 3,600 pounds. Still, I have a feeling that Lexus gave the GS400 an extremely short gear ratio, because the GS400 runs 0-60 just as fast as a 305 hp LS1 F-body with the automatic transmission, which has 345 ft/lbs of torque opposed to the GS400's 310 ft/lbs of torque and weighs a good 300 pounds less. Give any car a very short gear ratio and it will haul ass.

Date:: 29 Dec 1999

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I have driven lots of different cars and I have to say there are a lot of sleepers out there...speed demons that u wouldn't even expect to be fast. I detail cars for extra money(im a college student)Customers often have me pick up their cars and detail them at my place. Today I picked up and detailed a 1989 Mercedes Benz SL560. It had the old boxy bodystyle of the 1970's Mercedes roadsters(the Mercedes "SL" roadsters were completely redesignedin 1990). The car didn't look at all fast. It was such a tiny car and it had the big 5.6L V8, which was the biggest and baddest engine made Mercedes up until 1992, when Mercedes came out with the 6.0L V12---YIKES! Anyway, this Mercedes was a BLAST to drive. It wasn't fast off the line becuase the RPM didn't build very quickly...but once the car got rolling to about 15 or 20 I could feel a tremendous rush or power(at about 2500 RPM on-up) and the car just flat out took off like it was going to become airborn. It flew up hills as if it were going downhill! This car had some serious power. I never knew a Mercedes could be so fast. I also got to drive a Lexus GS300. It surprised me by how fast it was for a V6 sedan a couple weeks ago...but it didn't surprise me nearly as much as that Mercedes did. Those new Mercedes SL600 V12 roadsters must be absolutely insane!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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After reading all the posts here, I've finally resolved a long time argument that a friend of mine (sadly enough to say, he's a 3kGT - auto owner, poor kid) and I have been having for a long time. And this is the conclusion:

1) 3000GT's are lame and flimsy cars that look faster than they already are. Hell, I could probably pull a better 1/4 time with my uncle's GOLF CART. Geez, where does mitsubishi come up with wonderful ideas for these stupid cars? Obviously they seem to pull it out of their butt, and you guys are dumb enough to buy the piece of crap excuse for a "sports car" they call 3000GT.

2) 3000GT owners are gay.

Aahhhhh, end of story. That felt good.

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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oh its me again, for those of you idiots who cant understand what I wrote on the previous post, here's a summary:

3000GT's suck.

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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hey what do you think of an oldsmobile delta 88?

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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jabroni, heres a list of what u should be doing:

you need to take that damn car and 1) shine and wax it up real nice 2) turn it sideways 3) stick it straight up yer candyass

- the rock

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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To the "3000GT sucks" guy:

It's obvious that you can't afford the 3000GT and you're to chicken-shit to mention what you drive. OH!!! Maybe because you're still on the bus or your mommy won't raise your allowance or maybe your friend(I seriously doubt that you have one) beat the living shit out of you in his 3000GT. Whatever the case, you're pitfull!!! Go to coward.com, that's more your style!

OH!!! Here's my summary: It takes a fag to know a fag!!!! FAG!!!!!!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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know your role, and SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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PLEASE!!!!!!!!

Know your role and don't come back here or you'll get a cyber ass whooping!!!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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oh please sir, are you going to "whoop my ass" with your 3000GT?

ahahahahahahaha!!!!! ahahahahahahaha, ohmygod u crack me up...

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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what's your problem dude???

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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To the jabroni:

My problem is that you're a RUUUUDY POOO CANDYASS!!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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My dad lets me drive his 1998 Corvette sometimes and almost every time I get to drive it I go out and hunt down every VR4 in town. Those who are brave enough to race get their asses kicked, while the others save themselves the embarrassment. Go back to Japan ya dumb ricelovers.

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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You guys don't like 3000GT's. So what, I guess I'm supposed to go trade mine in, huh? Not!!!!!!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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You see this is the problem with the internet. It allows any idiot/idiots with a computer, a modem and an internet connection to voice their opinions.

Hay kid, "3000GT sucks", once you're old enough to drive and you finally get out of your trailer park and buy your first real car a 1988 Mustang with the saleen "performance" modifications then you can come back at actually post to this list.

I never knew trailer homes had phone connections. Look at that, you really do learn something new everyday.

This is the problem with having 10 year olds with an internet connection. Parents really need to watch what their kids do!

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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To Corvette man who has to race his dad's shit because he can't afford his own car and 3000GT sucks man, both of you are asswipes with nothing better to do than come into 3000GT.com and bash our cars. So what if the corvette is faster?? One look on the interior and the exterior is enough to make me throw up all over that piece of shit. Japanese cars OWN and will OWN American cars in design any day!

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for the dumb ass above, but you know what, my 3000gt can out ran your faggot dad, and then fuck you mom in the back seat of my 3000gt right in your driveway. hahahahaha

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Anyone stupid enough to recite what a wrestler says on a messageboard is a........FAG!

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Well, enough of listening to another argument, I just got myself some mb quarts for my car. I can't wait to hear what they sound like!! (Getting them installed tomorrow) Anyone else have them? And how do they sound?

OH, whats the stock speaker size in the 3000gt? Everyone knows I have a 300zx and let me say I hate bose. I guess it was good for it's time but it doesn't compare to what you can find today.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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hey i just bought a VR4 and i wanted to do some performance upgrades to it... it already has a K&N air filtercharger, and a FIPK. I was thinking about putting in a new exhaust (cat back maybe) and probably a new Intake. Any suggestions? oh yeah and I wanted to know what kind of oil to use for my oil changes, any help would be kindly appreciated.

scott

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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23,male,single--no tickets since starts driving @ 16,BASE 3K--95/month-full coverage

TOROGI

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Scott, My advice would be that you look for a borla exhaust for your VR4, or look into a GReddy probably a bit cheaper... And as far as the oil changes are concerned, do this: Take the nut off the bottom of the engine to let all the oil drain out, and then remove your oil filter, buy a bottle of MONKEY PISS, UNSCREW THE CAP, POUR ALL OF THE MONKEY PISS INTO YOUR GAY ASS EXCUSE FOR A SPORT TUNED ENGINE, SCREW THE CAP BACK ON, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT, TURN IT SIDEWAYS, AND PROCEED TO SHOVE THAT SONOFABITCH DIRECTLY UP YOUR MONKEY ASS!@ any questions? my email address is: blow@me.org

andy

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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To my man that had the fortitude in his balls to say "Japanese cars OWN and will OWN American cars in design any day!" Well that's why your 3000GT VR4's are victims of my '96 BMW M3, or my girlfriend's '94 Mustang Cobra, one after the other. The only japanese sports car that deserves to recieve ANY kind of recognition is the Acura NSX for its superb engineering in every way. The rest of them are all crap. You, my friend need to re-think yourself before you make comments like that out of your ass, thank you very much. I visit this site because I'm a fan of the 3000GT and I think your site is pretty neat, but some of you need to get your heads out of the toilet. I apologize for any type of offense people may take for the remarks that I've made. Take care guys. Oh and the idiots that are making idiotic comments need to get a life.

cheers, Jason <jmorgan2@yahoo.com>

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Jason,

You mentioned that: "The only japanese sports car that deserves to recieve ANY kind of recognition is the Acura NSX for its superb engineering in every way. The rest of them are all crap". Then you said, "I'm a fan of the 3000GT". If you're a fan, I'd hate to see the enemy. As far as the VR4 losing to a M3 and a Cobra, it all depends on the driver. I flat out smoked them both in stock form. Took the 98-99 Cobra from 0-100 and the M3, I remember that one, just days after I bought my car a former boss caught up with me in the parking lot and told me his M3 would stomp all over my car. Well, I promptly stomped him by four carlengths 0-120 and he was so upset. He's a terrible driver, probably would've been closer if he could drive but both races were over after 30ft. Neither car gained any ground on me. The M3's a quick car but not quick enough.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Anyone with enough money can get a car that will beat a VR4. But for a normal person who likes cars and wants to own a fast sports car without sticker shock, NOTHING BEATS A 3000GT! :)

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Hey Guys,

Still no answer on the speaker fittings on the 3000gt. I figure all this bitching has missed something that actually deserves more merit. Since I have started coming on 3000gt.com i've seen more useless arguements that I have either participated in or commented on. The reason they attack more is because everyone else gets defensive. Sure, maybe they don't know what they are talking about, but cussing back at them and telling them to do certain things with thier car, etc, isn't going to make them shut up. =) LOL, "smile and nod your head"

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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the dumb ass who drives the M3 must be a faggot. how is a M3 with 240hp will beat a vr4 of 320hp? the skill of driver will not be a issue because the raw power of vr4 will simply crush the god damn M3. as for your girlfriend, he is a faggot too. he is a faggot driving a low tech piece of junk. you dont have to like 3000gt, you just have to get beat up by one.

Date:: 30 Dec 1999

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Forget the VR4. Here's the best turbocharged car ever made: the 1987 Buick Grand National. It had a little 3.8L single-turbocharged V6 and it ran 0-60 stock in 5 seconds flat. It was a land yacht of a car too, and it could beat up on 1987 Porsche's and Corvettes and even keep up with any 1987 Ferarri. Word is out that Buick might bring back the Grand National in 2001 since the company has no notable performance car as of right now.

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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LITTLE HELP/OPINION PLEASE: This is George 95 Yellow VR4. Will synthetic oil decrease that valve noise & if so which do you recommend that I can buy at local auto shop like Discount Auto, Pep Boys, etc?

Did any of you notice after installaing FIPK (I just did) if there was a "burnt" smell every time one stops & gets out of the car after driving it?

My former car 3000GT SL always had "wind noise" as if there was an air leak. I could never find one. My VR4 is even louder. Is this just something we 3000GT owners have to live with because of poor insulation or does anybody have some advice for me? These are serious questions for serious VR4 owners. All others please aim your arrogance & ignorance some place else. Thanks. Happy New Year to All. At Midnight I'll be in the middle of my lake in the back in a small boat toasting the new Decade, Century & Millenium with my "perfect" girlfriend. Stay safe tonight!! George "95 Yellow VR4"

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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yo the reason the 3000GT sucks is because the mitsubishi "japanese" engineers who live in Normal, IL... (NOT JAPAN) think the car they make is fulla CRAP thus they unscrew the cap for the gas tank, pull out their BOTTLE OF MONKEY PISS, fill the gas tanks up with 12 OCTANE CERTIFIED MONKEY PISS, TAKE THE BOTTLE, SHINE IT UP REAL NICE, TURN THAT PIECE OF SHIT SIDEWAYS, AND SHOVE IT STRAIGHT UP THEIR CANDYASS. JAPANESE CAN KISS GERMAN ASS IN CAR DESIGN ANY DAY. That's why my uncle's GERMAN designed GOLF CART will whoop any 3000GT's ass, anyday.

sincerely your's, Vonderwulf Flahv

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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i like girls that wear abercrombie and fitch

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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oh yeah? you missed part of the song dude... here's the rest of it:

new kids on the block, had a buncha hits, 3000GT's make me sick, and i think its funny when a dumbass drives one around, and around.

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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for the summer?

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Yeah dude, I went to an LFO concert... they rocked the house.

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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Elvis is bill clinton

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michael jackson is chelsea clinton

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To George 95 Yellow VR-4,

Yes, I too just installed a K&N FIPK and have gotten this burnt smell after install. I wonder what could be causing it?

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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it could be the monkey piss.... think about it.

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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What's going on 3S freaks. I am 23, have a 94 Stealth ES. I pay 80 a month full cov of 30k/15k and liability of my Mom's wagon. I live in So Cal with a perfect rec. Where do you guys live paying 170 a month? If I had a TT or VR-4 I'd be paying 110 or 120 a month. Get a broker. Are there any gathering's in Sothern California? Who should I use to bullit proof my engine? What kind of turbo's should I use, any recomendation's or should I just stay stock? I have a strange paint job, blue during the day, purple at night. But if you shine a light on it at night it looks green. Is this Pearl Blue? Stealth941

Date:: 31 Dec 1999

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Happy New Millineum to everyone at 3000GT.com and across the world. Drive fast and Drive happy!

James HKS/VR-4, DJ Insomniak and Xcessive MotorSportz, Houston TX, USA

Date:: 01 Jan 2000

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Stealth941,

What part of SoCal are you in? I live down in the Low Desert Area, near Orange County. I don't drive a 3/s, I'm the "Z" guy on the 3000gt page.

See ya, Drew

Date:: 01 Jan 2000

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George Yellow VR4,

Your K&N filter might have too much oil in it. Try washing it out a little and see how it works.

Happy New Year guys! Hope you have a prosperous and blessed year!!!

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 01 Jan 2000

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I have a girfriend who wants to buy a 3000GT. It is a 1996 model with 42,000 miles on it. It seems like a good deal - it is on a Mitsubishi dealer lot and they are only asking $14,500. She wants me to go look at it tomorrow. I think she has her heart set on it.

Any tips on what I should look for? Also, what kinds of problems might she expect to develop with the car over the next 40,000 miles or so? She can afford the car, but I want to prepare her for the expenses of owning a sports car like that. (she's been driving a Geo Metro).

Any comments will be appreciated

Ken ken@doitnow.com

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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Ken,

Make sure you have a mechanic you trust look at the car. Here in NYC my 94 w/80k miles ran me 14,500 but it was well worth it..the girl i bought it from had a few asthetics, and to be honest it was in perfect condition (less the blown speakers which she helped replace and the burnt out fog lights. If the mechanic finds no signs of abuse, then i'd jump on that offer faster than i jumped on my car.

Be ready for gas money. Minimum octane rating is 93...i usually put in 94 octane at Sunoco which runs 1.75 a gallon here in the city. When i use the car a lot i might have to fill the tank 2 times a week at 27 bucks a fill. And try not to go to Mitsu for repairs. They seem to have this markup rule which charges about 9375912 times as much as repairs should cost.

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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HI HAVE A QUESTIONS ?, CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHATS THAT TOP SPEED FOR 94'3000GT SL AND WHAT KIND OF CARS CAN I BEAT WITH IT?? PLEASE HELP WIZZD26 94SL

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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50 miles an hour

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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Top speed for a '94 SL? MAYBE 60 mph, and that's only if you fill it up with premium Uncle Ben's rice.

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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SL my ass, go with a REAL car... go for a VR4.

Date:: 02 Jan 2000

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Ken,

According to the N.A.D.A. (http://www.nada.com/usedcarguide/) The values are:

Low Retail: $15,625 Average Retail: $17,675 High Retail: $20,350

This is the best time of year to buy a car, we just got a 97' 3000GT SL fully loaded with every option for 15,000 with no trade in. The car is like new inside and out. If your near South Carolina try RockHill Mitsubishi. Its a GIANT dealership and they make deals. Also make sure your bank runs a background check on the car. This will let you know the history of the car and where your dealer got it from. This helps incase it was an auciton and such.

Dan 97' 3000GT SL

Date:: 03 Jan 2000

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$80 a month? GEEZ! Who do you guys go through? I have atlanta casualty for mine and it's 170, 21, 1 ticket, single, male. Geico quoted me 210 a month here in Orlando! Somebody gimme a suggestion! I could be using that money for mods!

Marv's base

Date:: 03 Jan 2000

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The 3KGT is a nice, car, fast as hell, with great off of the line traction. I own a 1984 corvette and a heavily modified '85 350 camaro, the total price of both comes to under 17,000 dollars, the vette runs through 35mph sealkote road corners at 85+ without producing more than a small amount of drift, and the camaro runs mid 11's. My point is that owners of 3000Gt's have someting to prove, blowing 40g's on a car that is bettered by eaisly repairable GM cars is just a way of showing that I've got a lot of money, look at my big 'ol spoiler.-<camaro85z28400@hotmail.com>

Date:: 04 Jan 2000

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Some people just don't get it. I got a lot more than just speed for the money I spent on my VR4. Second, I wouldn't be seen in a GM repairable car or a GM new car. No disrespect to GM, I just don't care for their line of cars. Third, a car is not all about speed, however if that's the case then why bother with a car when you can go out and buy a motorcycle that will smoke everything in sight. Get off this, "You blew 40K on that car when you could've had this car for much less". If I wanted that car, I could have bought that car, plain and simple. I know a lot of people, including myself, who would love to have $40K to spend on a car, ANY car. This topic is getting old. Let it die.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 04 Jan 2000

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Sorry I have been off the list since the Holidays. Here is a list of my current Bolt On's that produce the 550 - 600 HP and 11's 1/4 times. Replace pre-cats with flow through pipes, ATR downpipe, Borla exhaust, Imtrax springs, HKS fuel pump, RC 560 Injectors, VPC, upgrade fuel pressure regulator, Greddy Boost controler, APEXi A/F monitor, Greddy Mega flow intake, 15G Turbos Alamo intercoolers, MSD ignition system, Greddy BOV, G-force ECU upgrade and boost and EGT guages. To be added within the next 30 days are a front mounted Intercooler and a 50 shot of NOS. regards. 94 TT

Date:: 04 Jan 2000

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Is it just me or is the best (quickest) launch done by winding the engine to 5500 or 6000 rpm and dumping the clutch? This seems like a lot of punishment but it just seems that's the power curve for the TT engine. Jim '92 Firestorm Red RT/TT

Date:: 05 Jan 2000

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Jim, I noticed most of the power in the midrange, between 3500 and 5800rpm. The turbos drop off a bit above 6000rpm, so I normally shift just above the midrange so when the rpm drops from shifting, it drops right in the powerband. I speed-shift a lot but stoplight and track starts are done with a gradual release of the clutch while increasing the revs. My 30ft. time suffer a bit but my trap speeds are high. I do it this way to keep down the wear and tear on my drivetrain and clutch. You're right, 6000rpm dumps will wear out your drivetrain and smoke your clutch.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 05 Jan 2000

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Hello and Greetings to everyone. I see that one of th big topics on the list is insurance. I just got a 99 3000 GT 2 nights ago. The cost of my insurance is $400 dollars every 6 months from Farmers Insurance in Missouri, full coverage. It never seems to change about one thing, car brands. The experienced ones are silent and the young ones shoot their mouths off. I've had a 327 Camaro, 305 IROC, 454 Vette, GPz750 and even a modified Pinto that would outrun a Vette in a Eighth mile. A lesson I learned early on, Put up or Shut up! Remember, he who dies with the most toys win.

RRR

Date:: 05 Jan 2000

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whats up people? is this site no longer kool? where's the new wardogs? well i got a 91 rt/tt about a month ago. i've been having problems. bad tranny, y-pipe popping off, etc. but my war stroy is about a white integera in sd on university ave. he has a wack azz body kit,etc. we raced just cuz i was so happy about my new car and wanted to see what she could do. i took him off the light but then the damn tranny started trippen. anyway i had him thru 3rd and then he lit me up. its kool though cuz i didn't know the car too well, and was holding back cuz of the tranny. but next time that azz is mine. im saving up for a major tuneup of the motor and tranny. then i wanted to start mods with the hks intercooler. does this appear stock? or are there hoses everywhere? i hear the stock cooler sucks. does moving the oil cooler really help? lastly i wanted to buy a blitz dual solenoid boost controller with peak hold, over boost warning and boost gauge. also a blitz full auto turbo timer with built in air-fuel ratio meter. does anyone have these parts? and if so do i need to buy a seperate boost gauge and a/f gauge? let me know, and i'll keep you posted on the status of my baby. Nino-hellafastmotorsports.

Date:: 05 Jan 2000

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Anybody know a good shop to take my car to in San Jose, CA?

Joe '97 3000GT

Date:: 06 Jan 2000

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To Nino,

Congrats on the purchase, to bad about the the tranny. Regarding your question about getting an after- market boost gauge, if you decide to start increasing the boost then, YES get one. Our stock boost gauge is very inaccurate. Just to the let you know the stock boost for a 1st gen is 9.7 psi. When you increase the boost make sure you don't go over 14.5 psi with the stock fuel system. OH, final thing remember to re-gap the spark plugs when you get the Blitz DSBC. One thing is odd though, you mentioned your y- pipe is blowing off. That only happens with increased boost or if it's not tight enough around the throttle body. Do you know if the person before you had a bleeder valve on the car. But check to make sure the Y-pipe is tight enough.

Jammer: '95 "Firestrom Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 06 Jan 2000

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Hey Marc... by "Speed shifting", do you mean that you keep it pinned?? I used to do that on my bike but have never tried it on my vr-4... how fast can you shift(mS) and how high do the RPM's hit??

thanks, jack 95 vr-4

Date:: 06 Jan 2000

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"FireStormRed", thanks for the reply. if the injectors are cleaned can i run 15 psi? and to up the boost do i need other mods? about the y-pipe it was just loose. does anybody know about the hks i/cooler? its pretty cheap in comparison to other i/coolers on the market. i hear on some cars upgrading the i/cooler makes a bigger difference then a turbo upgrade. the effienctcy on the stocker is only about 30%. so i need to know if i should go that route or not. does anyone have dyno numbers for parts? i was thinking about going with an "atr" 3" down pipe, cat, and exhaust. does anyone have these parts? lastly are any of the 3si boyz in San Diego? Nino

Date:: 06 Jan 2000

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Hey Jack,

What I mean by speed shifting is when I shift gears, I depress the clutch just enough that it allows me to change gears. Doing it this way keeps the rpms from dropping between shifts. When you engage the clutch all the way to the floor, it drops your rpms between shifting and it(clutch) takes the load from the shift. You don't have to engage the clutch all the way to the floor to shift. Just a touch shorter than half way will open the plate and allow you to change gears but you must shift fast or the plate will close. Speed shifting gets easier as speed increases. It takes practice but once you master it, you're able to go faster in a shorter amount of time. Try it.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 06 Jan 2000

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Oh!!! Warning! Speed shifting over time will give you baseball size calves!

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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Hey guys I remember seeing some say that they got their K&N FIPK for $100 a few months ago, and I was wondering what website that was at, I tried to look at the archives, but there is a void from Aug 26, 1999 to Dec 19, 1999... I guess the admins just dumped out those. :( Anyways if you remember what website that was at I would appreciate it. :)

Bryan K. '91 Stealth ES

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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oh yes Im 18 and I have Allstate insurance and pay a horrible $225 a month and have been in 2 accidents, no tickets.

Bryan K.

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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To Nino,

Well I really wouldn't suggest running 15psi on the stock fuel system. The thing is, 15 psi is safe but you need a slight buffer in case you get boost spikes. That's why it's recommended to stay at 14.5 psi.

Obviously you need the standard K&N FIPK. After you do the FIPK and the Boost controller, the next should be the exhaust system. Once you get a lot of air into the engine you want get rid of it as fast as you can. So the down pipe and exhaust is a good idea. I would suggest 'gutting' the pre-cats, and cat if you don't care about emission testing. As you may know this helps with getting rid of exhaust gases.

Regarding the i/c I suggest going to www.AcceleratedAccessories.com go under the photo gallery, you'll notice a front mounted i/c. They are using Apex'i, but send them an e-mail and find out what they suggest.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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"Boost" this and "PSI" that......this page has been nominated as an official "Riceboy Site." Congradulations women.

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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To the post above, well let's see we have turbocharged engines what else are we going to talk about.

By the way a "Rice Boy" is somebody who makes their car look fast, but our cars are fast.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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Dear fellow 3000GT owners, I read from these columns about once a week or so. I see a lot of spite both towards drivers of other brands of cars, and spite towards 'us' from them. I, for one, think it's childish, stupid, and unnecessary. I wrote in here once before and commented on the lack of rationale for 'bashing' other people because of their choice of vehicle. I've said it before, and repeat it with much disarray. Grow up, people. I know that I'm speaking for a lot of us here, and I know that I am speaking against a lot of people here,(too bad the latter are probably too immature to know who they are) but, just the same, it needs to stop. Also, I would like to give out some info on my insurance. I noticed that a few wrote in with their premium rates. I currently pay 164 dollars a month for a 97 VR-4. I am 21 years old and have one speeding ticket. I go through Geico for my insurance. They have been good to me thus far. That's all I have to say at this time...If any of you would like to speak with me, you can email me at Libbi78@hotmail.com or IM me at my screen name on AOL...Libbi78 Thanks, Eric

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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A song from the 1980's describes every Japanese-buying traitor at this site. It goes like this:

"I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so---I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so."

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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i had a 93 SL, it was charcol with black leather, 5speed, i loved it. the only thing i didnt like was when i spun out the fron end would hopp soo bad, i have sice sold it and im thinking about getting another one, could any one tell me how to get rid of that jaw caracking hopp and if so e-mail me at xviperx246@aol.com.

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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Well, tonight was my first race in my newly aquired '92 stock VR-4, red. I was out looking for other sports cars to pick on tonight, and see who i could race and see what my car would do. So about midnight, im in the city, and pull up to a guy in a black 95 Chevy Impala. I could hear a modified exhaust, and the car sounded healthy, and i figured he would wana tromp on it.. So when the light turned green, i left the light as usual, not knowing if he wanted to race, but sure enough he did. He stomped on it at about 15 MPH, and i wasn't able to launch the car like i should have, but instead i just slammed the gas to the floor. he had about a car legnth advantage by the time we went through the intersection, but that didn't last long. By the time 1st gear ran out, we were even, and i slammed it into 2nd, and walked right away from the Impala. This pissed him off, so he wanted to go again at the next light, but it was from a rolling stop again.. No big deal.. I left the guy to a really good look at the rear of my 3000GT! We stopped at Walmart, and i talked to the guy for a while, and found out that he had been working on his car for a long time, and was out tonight to kick some butt, since it was now supposed to be putting out 350 horses. Oh well, buddy, keep working on that Impala. Meanwhile i will remain stock, and still thump that Impala any day!

Sizigi~ 92 VR-4,RED

Date:: 07 Jan 2000

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for those who have installed a boost controller.. What kind in the best to buy, and how simple or difficult is the installation of the unit? Do you have to be an expert to install it? Also how many horses will i be pushing with a boost controller, and a K&N FIPK? Thanks VR-4 buddies! Sizigi~ 92 VR-4

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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Hey Sizigi, Congrats on the car, what did you pay? How many miles and what kind of condition is it in?

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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um lets see here. a chevy impala is a tank of a car, weighing at least 4,500 pounds. does 0-60 in about 7.5 to 8 seconds stock. wow, what a screamer. it is a large family sedan made for hauling 5-6 people out to dinner, not racing. for a car that size to do 0-60 in 5 seconds it would take at least 500 horsepower. that guy needs to put a few thousand more $$$ in his engine before he can even think or keeping up with a VR4.

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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Well, the car i got is a 92, with 59000 miles, everything works on it, and i paid $13,100 from the dealer. Im getting a timing belt done next week for another $325 from the dealer. By the way~ the impala driver paid 25,000 for his car 2 years ago.. hehehe.. To the guy with the SL with the front tires that hop and jump around??? Get a VR-4. Thats one car with tires that STICK to the street! Weee!!! Sizigi~

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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Has anybody ever thought of how fast Camaro Z28's and Mustang Cobra's would be if they had AWD? Or even Corvettes and Vipers? Just some food for thought.

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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Bryan: I remember the FIPK mentioned for 100, however I also never was able to find out where and I finally opted to buy it from dynamic racing for 149. I installed and it's fairly easy. Do yourself a favor and put some kind of nut lubricant on the the four small nuts inside and maybe you won't have to cut your original box as I did. George 95 Yellow VR4

Date:: 08 Jan 2000

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With Corvettes, Mustangs and Vipers having AWD, they would be quicker but not necessarily faster. Remember, AWD has one drawback, it adds weight to a car. Also, at the track when I get a good start off the line, my 1/4 mile time was great but my trap speed was almost always low. AWD is a trade-off sometimes.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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I've been checking out this site for awhile now and I'm proud to say I am now the owner of a 95 VR-4. I'm a 19 year old college student from IL and I'm glad i chose the VR-4. I test drove a Supra a few days before i bought the VR-4 and its a great car but nothing can match the VR-4 in the harsh winter conditions we have out here. If any of you have some ideas for me to get more power for under $2K I would like them. Is there any good cross drilled or slotted brake kits out there ? Oh and some background on my baby....she's a 95 with only 41K on the clock. Its in great shape. I got it at a pretty good deal at $20K. I cant wait to start modifying her and I'm proud to be the owner of such a bad ass car.

Ro '95 VR-4 (caracas red)

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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Has anybody ever thought of how fast Camaro Z28's and Mustang Cobra's would be if they had AWD? Or even Corvettes and Vipers? Just some food for thought.

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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(ooops, sorry for the 2nd post. mental fart)

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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3ooogts suck bad.Your cars are losers and so are the owners.Mitsubishi makes gay cars,your cars are so sorry they replaced it with an eclipse lmao.You all suck.I pity all of you losers.

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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All of you are poor

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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OH!!!! My feelings are hurt.

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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Hey buddy, it sounds like you are a sour and slow Rustang owner! Im sorry you can't foot the bill for such an awesome sports car as a 3000GT, but i guess not everyone is lucky enough to own one! It must suck to be you! hehehe SIZ~

Date:: 09 Jan 2000

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You best not be talking shit on Mustangs! A new Stang Cobra with drag radials will whoop up on a 3000gt vr4 any day of the week. But you still insist on paying more for those little Japanese toy cars. Give it up. American cars are better all across the board from power to build quality(Lexus is the one exception if you have if you have 50+ thousand to spend). If you can't beat em, join em. BUY AMERICAN!

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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you know why you buy american?? because 1. you live in a trailer park. 2. you did not graduate from high school. 3. you went to army. 4. your dad and mom are brother and sister. 5. YOU CANT AFFORD TO BUY THE ASS KICKING AWESOME 3000GT VR4. now shut the fuck up and drink your beer at your porch.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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In response to the Mustang Cobra guy... check out http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto3/9907AUCTBM.php I got this URL off this site originally, much thanks to whoever posted it. It's Popular Mechanics review of the top 13 fastest production cars readily available in the USA, based upon 1/4mi times. (#13 being the slowest, #1 being the fastest) Guess what? #11 Mustang Cobra. #10 3000GT VR-4. Heh.

I've said this before, but what's up with all the animosity anyway? I'm a VR-4 owner, but I like Mustangs too. If I couldn't get a VR-4, I might be driving a Mustang Cobra right now.

-Jeff '93 VR-4

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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whats up party people? its Nino again. well... you guys are gonna be pissed at me but... i stripped my interior to reduce the cars weight. i know thats for the slow as honda camp but since i don't have money for any parts right now if figured i had to do something to go faster. anyway the only thing left behind the driver and passenger seats are the rear seatbelts and the plastic around the trunk. my widows are tinted so you can't tell.it paid big dividens tho. i stomped a 96 Mustang cobra like it's 1999. bad part... my thermostat is now stuck close and my radior hose is cracked. so the car is gone be grounded for a short while. that's kool. im gonna be do more weight reduction (fiberglass hood, lighter seats, volk wheels,etc.) but this is how the race went down. im driving west bound on el cajon blvd in s.d. and see a white cobra smashing through traffic going east. so i flip a bitch and smash up next to him then slow down to match his speed. he looks over the car and tries to hop on the freeway. im thinking what a punk. so i follow him he doesnt let me get next to him and tries to smash off on me. what? my stealth rt3 ate him up like a carne asada burrito during an attack of the munchies. at 100mph i had him by two to three car lengths. i noticed he couldn't keep up with me so i pulled off to head back home. thats when my new problems happened its kool tho. my car was i good shape but high mileage (130k) but i had the dealership look at it and the said it was a great deal for only $7k. by this summer my interior will be black all signs of the car being an awd/tt will be hiden and i will be kickin a gang of honda/acura/mustang/gm and eclipse ass. the kids in my area with the new gsx's are stuck up little punks. i love the speed of racing. its a hobby not a lifestyle or a culture. you should see how dump i get looked at buy the asain kids in there slow mobiles when i pull up bumpin 2pac. but after the awd gets there ass... the and even funnier look. morale of the story... black guys have big motors too. ha! ha! thanks firestorm for the input. -Nino.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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whats up party people? its Nino again. well... you guys are gonna be pissed at me but... i stripped my interior to reduce the cars weight. i know thats for the slow ass honda camp but since i don't have money for any parts right now if figured i had to do something to go faster. anyway the only thing left behind the driver and passenger seats are the rear seatbelts and the plastic around the trunk. my widows are tinted so you can't tell.it paid big dividens tho. i stomped a 96 Mustang cobra like it's 1999. bad part... my thermostat is now stuck close and my radior hose is cracked. so the car is gone be grounded for a short while. that's kool. im gonna be do more weight reduction (fiberglass hood, lighter seats, volk wheels,etc.) but this is how the race went down. im driving west bound on el cajon blvd in s.d. and see a white cobra smashing through traffic going east. so i flip a bitch and smash up next to him then slow down to match his speed. he looks over the car and tries to hop on the freeway. im thinking what a punk. so i follow him he doesnt let me get next to him and tries to smash off on me. what? my stealth rt3 ate him up like a carne asada burrito during an attack of the munchies. at 100mph i had him by two to three car lengths. i noticed he couldn't keep up with me so i pulled off to head back home. thats when my new problems happened its kool tho. my car was i good shape but high mileage (130k) but i had the dealership look at it and the said it was a great deal for only $7k. by this summer my interior will be black all signs of the car being an awd/tt will be hiden and i will be kickin a gang of honda/acura/mustang/gm and eclipse ass. the kids in my area with the new gsx's are stuck up little punks. i love the speed of racing. its a hobby not a lifestyle or a culture. you should see how dump i get looked at buy the asain kids in there slow mobiles when i pull up bumpin 2pac. but after the awd gets there ass... the and even funnier look. morale of the story... black guys have big motors too. ha! ha! thanks firestorm for the input. -Nino.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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I like big butts and I can not lie You other brothers can't deny That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waste And a round thing in your face You get sprung, wanna pull up tough 'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed Deep in the jeans she's wearing I'm hooked and I can't stop staring Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha And take your picture My homeboys tried to warn me But with that butt you got makes <Me so horny> Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin You say you wanna get in my Benz? Well, use me, use me 'Cause you ain't that average groupy I've seen them dancin' The hell with romancin' She's wet, wet, Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette I'm tired of magazines Sayin' flat butts are the thing Take the average black man and ask him that She gotta pack much back So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!) Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!) Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!) Shake that healthy butt! Baby got back!

(LA face with Oakland booty) Baby got back!

I like 'em round, and big And when I'm throwin' a gig I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal Now here's my scandal I wanna get you home And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh I ain't talkin' bout Playboy 'Cause silicone parts are made for toys I want 'em real thick and juicy So find that juicy double Mix-a-Lot's in trouble Beggin' for a piece of that bubble So I'm lookin' at rock videos Watchin these bimbos walkin' like hoes You can have them bimbos I'll keep my women like Flo Jo A word to the thick soul sistas, I wanna get with ya I won't cuss or hit ya But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna *fuck* Til the break of dawn Baby got it goin' on A lot of simps won't like this song 'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it And I'd rather stay and play 'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong And I'm down to get the friction on So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah} If you wanna role in my Mercedes {Yeah!} Then turn around! Stick it out! Even white boys got to shout Baby got back!

Baby got back! Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin' to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda My anaconda don't want none Unless you've got buns, hon You can do side bends or sit-ups, But please don't lose that butt Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role And tell you that the butt ain't go So they toss it and leave it And I pull up quick to retrieve it So Cosmo says you're fat Well I ain't down with that! 'Cause your waste is small and your curves are kickin' And I'm thinkin' bout stickin' To the beanpole dames in the magazines: You ain't it, Miss Thing! Give me a sista, I can't resist her Red beans and rice didn't miss her Some knucklehead tried to dis 'Cause his girls are on my list He had game but he chose to hit 'em And I pull up quick to get wit 'em So ladies, if the butt is round, And you want a triple X throw down, Dial 1-900-MIXALOT And kick them nasty thoughts Baby got back!

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Id much rather have a vette or a m3 than a car that no one even cares about like the 3000gt,most people don't care about them,and i'm not one of those people who can't afford one because i'm very well off,i'm a trust fund baby.I just prefer to drive in dream cars like my 98 boxter,I understand why you guys talk trash to the people who come in here bitchin about japanese cars suck,and i know you guys cars can smoke my boxter but i didn't buy it for the sole purpose for racing i bought it cause its a porsche and if i want a fast car i could just as easily went out and spent $30,000 extra and got a 911 turbo,by the way im 18 and and pay $8,000 a year with 2 tickets.Personally I like the 3000gt and was considering buying one as a third car until i found out they had discontinued them.Just my opinions. Robbie

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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I totally agree with you Robbie,your boxter is slow and so are all the faggot 3000gt's ha ha.My mustang 99 cobra will lkeave all of you queers

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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To Robbie,

You said, "no one cares about the 3000gt". Then why where you considering one as a third car. By the way, if you can spring for the 911 Turbo, I would go out and get a slightly used Ferrari F355. But it's your money.

To list,

It's amazing, how do these Mustang kids find this website?

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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You said the keyword Jammer, KIDS!

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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I got a quote from all state today on a 91 VR-4. I am an 18yr old male with no tickets and no wrecks and they said $2400 a year. I think that is just ridicules, how the hell do they know what kind of driver I am. Until I wreck my insurance should be the same as all adults, because I am an adult. I thought in The United States you were innocent until proven guilty, but I guess not.

BULLSHIT!!! ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!!!

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Mustang Girl, Maybe you didn't hear my wardog. just put the smash down on a cobra yesterday. you mustang kids talk a lot but can't even keep up with a jacksonracing supercharged integera. things that make you say em. buy the way if im such a faggot lets run for the titles. im san diego. holla back. "living life in the fast lane" hellafuckenfastmotorsports -Nino.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Robbie, you don't care for the "twins" but you were considering buying one? (shut up beavis!-smack) and are you sure you parents want people knowing you're a test tube baby? you remind of a kid back in highschool who use to give me his lunch money.and if you have an extra 30k to 4uck off go get a couple of hookers virgin boy, and leave us the hell alone. if i want to hear about a boxter i'll go to "www.richwimps.org" now does anybody have dyno's for a greddy or borla cat-back exhaust? and Jammer im gonna go with the hks intercooler. if you pant the hoses black it looks very close to stock. i wanted the altered atmospher i/cooler but once you pop the hood it's a dead give away. like the name of the car implies, i want stealth so i can beat up on some boxsters and mustangs. "living life in the fast lane" -Nino

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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i got a question. are any of you guys familiar with i think its a '91 mustang 5.0. not real sure on the year. what kind of horses is that car pushing.

Xtreme GT

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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ive got another question. i plan on buying some arelli 17" rims. im already spending $1700 for these rims, so can you guys suggest some tires to put on it. i want 45 series tires. i want to keep maybe in $110-$130 range per tire.

Xtreme GT

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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To Z, wasup, Stealth941. I live in Ontario. In Grand Turismo 2, which I bought a month early I found out my Stealth's color was I believe Mariana Pearl Blue. I race through the 57 to the 5 sometimes. I recently went to Vegas. Awesome place to see how fast any car can go. Especially at 2:30 a.m. when no cops are around. I have a 94 ES and I can get it up to 140 mph, I think I could go faster if I had a 6 speed. I am in 5th gear at 6000 rpm redline. I guess a DOHC 5 spd could do 160. About 28 mph at every speed. I also hit 140 going south on the 15 freeway before hitting ontario mills. So you have a Camaro right? My ex had a 89 z28 I believe but I never raced it. I have raced Honda accord v6 99 and 2000 and have beat them on the line and the freeway. The wierd thing is my car is only 164 hp SOHC. Must be the wieght to hp ratio, 2,945 curb wieght. On Grand Turismo the VR4's wiegh about 3,700, is this true guys? Heavy no? Well can any one recomend a good rom chip maker/instaler? Z, e-mail me at Stealth941@excite.com. We gotta cruise for all the hood rats. As for all the player hatter takin smack on a cool site, grow up! Jealousy get you guys no where. If you have a faster Acura or Nissan or Ford that's cool, I'm not gonna feel like less of a man and talk crap about your car, practice some peace. Be cool everyone.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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To Z, wasup, Stealth941. I live in Ontario. In Grand Turismo 2, which I bought a month early I found out my Stealth's color was I believe Mariana Pearl Blue. What is your top speed? Do you have a governor? I race through the 57 to the 5 sometimes. I recently went to Vegas. Awesome place to see how fast any car can go. Especially at 2:30 a.m. when no cops are around. I have a 94 ES and I can get it up to 140 mph, I think I could go faster if I had a 6 speed. I am in 5th gear at 6000 rpm redline. I guess a DOHC 5 spd could do 160. About 28 mph at every gear. I also hit 140 going south on the 15 freeway before hitting ontario mills. So you have a Camaro right? My ex had a 89 z28 I believe but I never raced it. I have raced Honda accord v6 99 and Nissan 2000 madxima and have beat them on the line and the freeway. The wierd thing is my car is only 164 hp SOHC. Must be the wieght to hp ratio, 2,945 curb wieght. On Grand Turismo the VR4's wiegh about 3,700, is this true guys? Heavy no? Well can any one recomend a good rom chip maker/instaler? Z, e-mail me at Stealth941@excite.com. We gotta cruise for all the hood rats. As for all the player hatters takin smack on a cool site, grow up! Jealousy gets you guys no where. If you have a faster Acura or Nissan or Ford that's cool, I'm not gonna feel like less of a man and talk crap about your car, practice some peace. Be cool everyone.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Xtreme,

the '91 Mustang 5.0 is rated somewhere between 220-225 HP and 290-300 pound/feet of torque. They are SLUGS! I beat 5.0 Mustangs all the time with my '95 SL, and the only mods I have are a K&N filter, Borla catback exaust, and I use Mobile1 synthetic motor oil.

-Kyle

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Does anyone know of a good single turbocharger to get for a '95 SL, and do you know what the cost and HP/torque gain would be? Would I have to do any other mods for me engine to accept a turbocharger? I'd appreciate any input you guys can give me. Thanks.

-Kyle

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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you said awd w/ a stang or american car would kill us?wellyou obvuoisly have not raced a high power awd car.my 91 eclipse awd is making around 400hp and i spin!!i bounce off the rev limiter and thats w/ drag radials.meanwhile rear drive cars w/ a good suspension and sticky tires can pull like 1.4 60' times while i'll pull 1.7's.plus v-8 put ALOT more torque at lower rpms so you 'd spin badly too.and unless u wanted an extra 1000lbs for extra strong axles to support that torque, you'd be breaking shit left and right.go talk about what you know, your slow piece o shit stangg.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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YARRRRG! "Me engine[typo]" hast conquered the seven seas!

LOL I meant "my engine," not to sound like Captain Hook or anything. hehe

-Kyle...again

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Do any of you guys know of a good single turbocharger for a '95 SL, and do you know the cost and HP/torque gain? Would I have to do any other mods for my engine to accept a turbocharger? I'd appreciate any input you guys can give me.

-Kyle

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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has anybody used the gtpro's 368sx turbos from dynamic racing? i talked to the guy for a while and he said w/ race gas , high boost,fuel system,vpc,full exhaust,intercooler, that it should be capable of high 10's easily.does anybody have any info on this because i'm familiar w/ the dsm and i'm thinking of getting a 94 vr4. plus all the guys i see running 11's use the small 15g upgrades, and the gt pro 368sx turbos are easily 2x the size.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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ok that's it i have had it with this shit. look, as far as looks, the vr-4 kills the stang, camaro, and the vette. as far as performance, it's a draw. even with the vr-4's awd, it depends on the driver, i have a 99 vr-4 green, and i've lost to vettes and beaten vettes, it's all about the driver, as far as overall performance, the vr-4. it goes 0-60 in 5.00 or better(depending on driver weight) it has awd, it's fast maybe a good 165 or even 170 again depending on driver and weather. and it's an all-seasoncar. you try driving a mustang, ss, or vette in the snow. i have in my old mustang, a 98 mustang cobra. i almost crashed, i spun about 5 times, and got stuck in snow 3 inches deep. all that inone day!! come on!!! i've driven my vr-4 through stuff that some suv's have trouble with. i put all season tires, and with the awd, i've yet to spin, or get stuck. it's also a great cruiser too. when your oing 65 in a vr-4, it feels like your going 90-100. in my stang. i've gotten tickets for going 85+ because i thought i was going to slow. i'm not saying they suck. but they are not a better overall car than the vr-4.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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but it's no hummer. the vr-4 is a sports car not an suv.

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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german cars suck ass!!!!! the porche sucks too. they all look the same. the only difference is the fuckin name. if ytou own a porche you suck!!!! why get a 100,000 dollar car when you car get a man car that's faster and looks better inevery way for the most 85,000 the viper,. even though it's not that drivable in the city or in tight area's cause it's so good and fast, it is better than the porches in every way shape and form, including performance and looks!!!!! viper viper viper viper skylines also suck ass and bmw's and benzes vr-4 viper all the way baby

Date:: 10 Jan 2000

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ninos just jealous cuz he doesnt have any money,isnt that right,yo yo im from ghetto homie,you are pathetic yo,i be bustin caps,isnt that right nino you loser

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Mike from Altered Atmosphere has the 368 turbo's installed with a FMIC. 94TT

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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mike from altered has them? whats his car run?does he have any internal modifications,head gasket,head work?

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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hey queer boy Robbie, was that directed at me? why would i be jealous? i have a bigger......engine then you do. and don't get it twisted i'm sorry that im 20 and self supported with a motorcycle, condo, daughter, and a boxster ass-kicking awd stealth rt3. so when are we gonna race? huh test-tube baby? ey Robbie do you think your mom can give me some money to take out your fatazz sister? I just need enough for two whoppers. you know she's as easy as my rt3 kicking you box's azz. oh yeah, never busted a cap hommie. just kick rich kids ass in boxsters

KYLE, try hahnracecraft, the do custom fab for a lot of diamond star and dodge cars.

91 VR4, try mercury insurance or geico, they're pretty kool as far as rates and service. I know how hard it is to get insurance when you don't have ROBBIE'S parents paying for your car and giving you lunch money.

NOW ONCE AGAIN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE DYNOS ON A GREDDY OR BORLA CAT BACK EXHAUST? WHAT ABOUT THE HKS GT BALL BEARING TURBOS? "Kick Robbie's Ass Motorsports"-Nino

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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HI if anyone is interested, i have a modified 92 stealth that you can take a look at on my web site at http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/street/2928 there is also my 1969 Camaro convertible. Please tell me what you think of the site and any suggestions you might have. Thanks, Paul

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Listen what i meant by no one cares about 3000gts i was referring to average people that don't know a bmw 325 from a m3,all they care about is that its a bmw,i am a fan of cars and i have always liked 3kgts and even mustangs and camaros,i hope that clears things up,and to nino,im definately not a rich wimp i may be rich but not a wimp bro,lets just say you all of a sudden found out you had millions of dollars would that make you a wimp?And you definately wouldn't be taking my "lunch money"cause im not one of those little pu$$ys that used to push around,im not flaming i just don't let people open their mouth when they only don't even know me,and to the others in the room i wasn't dissin 3kgts and i hope the people that thought i was will forgive me,and is it ok if i post here still? Oh yeah by the way what kind of motorcycle you got?I got zx-9,im also a motorcycle fanatic.Robbie

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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You may have the fastest 3000GT currently, but not for long. Team Fadam is currently building a new 3000GT to claim the record. So you best start spending that money quick like, we are coming.

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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I want chicken, I want liver, Meow Mix, Meow Mix Please deliver.

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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A friend of mine from the golf course has a late-model 3000GT(twin turbo) and he told me about this web site. We've raced a few times and every time we are nose-to-nose. I have a 1999 Jaguar XJR sedan. It feels great to be able to keep up with a sports car in a Jag sedan that weighs over 2-tons. Of course there's quite a premium to pay for that kind of performance in a heavy sedan. I'm thinking of maybe trading in the XJR for one of those new XKR sports cars(they both have the same 370 horsepower supercharged V8). I'd love to see how fast the XKR is. I guess it's time for a test drive! Til my next post, HAPPY RACING!

Martin- "Jagman"

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Hey Dudes!

I had me a cup of coffee and a Porsche for breakfast this morning... I have no idea what kind it was, it just said "Porsche" on the back. It had a whale tail so I kinda figured it was a fast version of whatever it was... anyway we were at a stop sign and he rev'ed his engine... it sounded pretty good! I just looked at him and toasted him with my coffee... I figured he would understand that it was hard enough to drive slow without spilling it all over... besides we were going into a speed trap so I let him go ahead and I pulled in behind. After the speed trap is my favorite corner and open highway... I could see that he was going to try to show off around that corner and he kept up a pretty good speed so I pulled right in behind and whoosh... it's kind of a 90 degree sweeper and real fun at around 45-50. Anyway, that little bug of a car went out wide while I hugged the inside line NO PROBLEMO!!! I think he noticed pretty much that I had no trouble with that corner and I heard him go WOT... I figured what the hell... let's see if I could keep up... what a major ego trip!! I had to change lanes to avoid driving up his ass and passed him like I do stock mustangs... It just blows me away how long and hard our 2nd and 3rd gears pull... I sometimes think they are just a little too tall, but I can live with that...

Jack 95VR-4

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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To Nino, Sorry man I have no idea about he performance for the HKS i/c. You're right, that other i/c is very noticable.

To Robbie, I apologize, I didn't understand what you meant by your initial comment. I would tend to agree with you up to a point. For most of the average public, if you put a Porsche (it doesn't matter which one), beside a 3/S TT, most people will be interested in the Porsche. But my 95 Stealth RT/TT get's a lot of looks. I don't know if it's the color (Firestorm Red) or my 18", 5 spoke, chrome rims, but I get a lot of looks and thumbs-up.

To Kyle, I don't about trying to install an aftermaket turbo into the non-turbo model. It would probably be cheaper to get yourself a 1994 VR4 or TT. But if you decide to do it, I think there is a difference in the compression ratio between the turbo and non-turbo.

To Jack 95VR-4, Either the guy didn't know how to drive or that was not a Turbo Prosche, 911. The 911 is 400HP, AWD and weighs around 3000 lbs.

To list, Yes the VR4/TT is 3737 lbs. Very heavy. Although, the Lamborghini Diablo VT (AWD version) is 3600 lbs.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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ROBBIE: i could take your lunch money if i wanted to. but well leave that until the next millenium. i have a ysr50. remember those from the early 90's? i got it when i turned 18. i also have a 93 ninja. by the way, my rt3 will still kick your boxters ass.

EVERYONE IN THE ROOM: if you're broke like me try "dsm.org" and go to the parts trader. alot of people are letting things go for cheap. most are cod, so you can inspect it. when someone dynos the greddy or borla exhaust e-mail me @ hated@hotmail.com

sideways-Nino

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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jammer i totally agree with you stealths are definately sweet cars especially with some chrome wheels,iv'e got a question how does a new boxter s stand against a stock vr-4 or stealth tt?And ninno you couldn't take my "lunch money"if i tied both hands behind my back and just used kicks.well i'll talk to you all later.Robbie

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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HEY ROOM: does anyone if i can put the vr4 rear bumper on my rt3? i think the rear on vr4s look better with an after market exhaust then the rt3s. also on the links page there is a site under "Japanese GTO Sites" labeled GTO West Coast Gathering. when you go into the site an animation appears with a sick ass front end from YAMOTO Bit Sports. how can i get it? if anyone knows holla back. -Nino

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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ROBBIE: Boxter vs. Stealth R/T Twin Turbo ("rt3")= Robbie gets his ass kicked.

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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has anyone replaced engine mounts on a TT. I just replaced the top engine mounts and noticed a big improvement in gear shifts. I'm going to have to check the bottom two to see if they're warn. the drivers side top one was the worst with big cracks in it. If you've done the bottom mounts, how hard was it to do? the top are easily accessed.

David. green IGUANA Austin TX

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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91 VR-4 back: I got a quote from Geico auto: $2492.40 is the fucking 6 month premium. BULLSHIT!!!!!!! Why????? I have NEVER wrecked or got a ticket, so why is it so damn high???? BULLSHIT!!!

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Alright, let's talk transmissions. How does one prevent a catastrophe with a 94 6 speed vr4. My friend has a 5 speed stealth and his car is in the shop having the tranny rebuilt and costing him about ... you don't want to know. What are the do's and the don'ts with this delicate piece of machinery. I noticed that my clutch pedal has some hydrolic fluid on it which is coming in from some where. This doesn't look good. Also, 90% of the time when I come to a complete stop and disengage a gear I can't put it back into first when I push in the clutch. To avoid grinding 1st gear I have to put her in 2nd, roll an inch, and then it will go into 1st. She only has 45K and I never tach her up and drop the clutch.

So, how do we care for these expensive transmissions? Are their premium transmissions fluids compatible with this car? And if I add a boost controller and dial it up to 15 psi am I doing more harm to the tranny?

I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLICATED AREA SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF MARC OR JAMES TAKE THIS ONE. THESE TRANSMISSIONS ARE EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE SO I WANT ALL THE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE I CAN GET. IF YOU GUYS ARE NOT SURE DO YOU KNOW OF A PLACE ON THE NET THAT HAS THE ANSWERS?

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 11 Jan 2000

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Greg,

Nice to hear from you again, I havn't been on this sight much either lately.

While I can't give you any technical info on transmisions, I can tell you I have the same problem with engauging 1st. What I do is just blip the throtle a little and release the clutch JUST A HAIR, and it will go into gear. This has got to be better on your transmision than going to 2nd. Keep me informed on your friends 5-speed.

Chris's 93Blacksunshine

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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I too have the same problem with first, but it rarely happens. I do the same thing as Chris without bliping the throtle. Just ease up on the clutch slowly till i can put it in 1st. I'm not that sure if its healthy or if there is anything that could be done about it though.

On a lighter note, i had a battle tonight. I'm sitting at light and a late 80's early 90's Firebird pulls up next to me and the guy was eating something. At the light i hold back to see what he does and to my surpise he does the same thing. There we are just staring at each other. As if on cue, we both turned our heads forward and nailed the gas. Our tires squealed a bit but neither of us lost much traction. I slowly pulled away. By the top of third i had a car and a half on him. At the next light i see him stop and he's laughing wiping the food and drink off himself.

This light we took off at the green and i walked on him up through the gears. I was up near 3 digits (i dont know what i topped out at cuz i was paying attention to the road) with about 4 cars on him. I put on my flashers and slow down. I pull over to make my right turn on red after stop (a rarity in NYC) and i gave him a thumbs up as he pulled behind me.

It was really cool cuz this was a really good race that i actually won. I only had two other good races. One agains an early M3 that i edged out and one againt a new vette that i got creamed...but it was fun anyway. It is really no fun beating hondas and eclipses and other little punks. Its not even like racing, its just straight "my car is faster no matter how well you drive." well, until next time..peace.

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Hey Chris,

It's nice to be back. Guess I lost interest for a while I hate all these assholes that pop in to offer their unnecessary opinions. Anyways, I hear what your saying about easing the clutch out, but I still run the risk of grinding. For me, it's just as easy to put her in second release the clutch an inch, roll an inch, then she goes right into 1st and I'm good to go.

I guess my friends tranny story freaked me out. People just don't understand how technical this car's drivetrain is.

So guys, do some research and get back to me on preventive maintenance tips.

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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GREG: what model is your car? and what makes it a sleeper? does anyone notice or care if you have aftermarket wheels? i have a 91 stealth rt3 and wanted to put her to sleep. i was planning to remove the twin turbo signs on the sides and the r/t on the back. but i wanted to run some chrome ssr integerals 17/18x9.5 or some black volk te37's. do you think i can get away with either? ROOM: how much horsepower can the stock exhaust system handle? and does anyone know anything about coating the engine compartment with ceramics to cut the engine bay temp? but wouldn't that just keep the hot air in the compartment if i didn't have some way to vent out the air? my engine is getting built up this weekend new je pistons and factory rods with everything that can be honed, honed, then a bill gude head package, minus the cams, and a reprogrammed ecu mapped to run 12psi on 92 octane pump gas. the compression will be raised to 9.0:1. according to mister gude this should bring horse power up to about 390hp at the wheels even without additional mods, and still pass smog out here in ca. only bad thing is i won't have my car back until end of feb begining of march. with a little luck i'll have it back in time for battle of the imports. i want to put the "twins" on the map.

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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ROOM: how much horsepower can the stock exhaust system handle? and does anyone know anything about coating the engine compartment with ceramics to cut the engine bay temp? but wouldn't that just keep the hot air in the compartment if i didn't have some way to vent out the air? my engine is getting built up this weekend new je pistons and factory rods with everything that can be honed, honed, then a bill gude head package, minus the cams, and a reprogrammed ecu mapped to run 12psi on 92 octane pump gas. the compression will be raised to 9.0:1. according to mister gude this should bring horse power up to about 390hp at the wheels even without additional mods, and still pass smog out here in ca. only bad thing is i won't have my car back until end of feb begining of march. with a little luck i'll have it back in time for battle of the imports. i want to put the "twins" on the map. see ya-Nino

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Im interested in purchasing a 1994 3000 GT SL and wondering what affordable measures I can take to increase my horse power. Please e-mail me or respond on this board.

shoelace24@aol.com

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Nino

I have a 94 vr4, and its the only vr4 around without a wing. It's areo wing was stolen when she belonged to her first owner. During the time we were fixing her up, I decided to close up the holes. However, the front aero still works (whatever that does??). Also, she is the only vr4, that I've seen, in RI with a single exhaust. This was my own doing as well. So, from a distance you would take her for an SL, but if you look close, if I let you, you'll see the Twin Turbo signiture in the window. It was actually my friend who first called her a "sleeper." I guess it somehow stuck.

GUYS, PLEASE NOTE MY TRANNY QUERIES ABOVE, I WOULD LIKE SOME ANSWERS. THANKS

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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By the way,

A VR4 without a wing and with the right rims has quite a different appeal. I like to be different. Frankly, I think she looks better without the wing.

Rim tip: Fittipaldi Polaris

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Hey Greg: Do you have any pictures of your "sleeper"?

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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To Robbie, The Boxter S is rated at 250HP and 225 ft-lb of torque and weighs around 2800 lbs. I would guess 0-60 times around the 5.7 to 6.0 secs range. Our cars 3/S TT, are 320HP and 315 ft-lb (2nd gen) and weigh 3737 lbs. Our 0-60 times are around 5.0 to 5.6 secs. So, it will definitely give us a run, but not outrun.

To Greg's 94 Sleeper: The active aero system, was employed to increase the downforce on our cars. The font lip or spoiler would go down an inch and the rear spoiler would go up a few inches. This was supposed to keep the car stable at speed. I don't know how much it actually helped.

To shoelace24@aol.com: If you haven't purchased the SL yet I would suggest you buy a VR4 or TT. It costs a lot to make the SL fast - short of putting NOS, but we all know that's not real horsepower. Try finding a 93 TT instead of a 94 SL.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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To Jammer:

I have a 3000GT on NOS. I have to disagree that NOS is not real horsepower. If NOS isn't real horsepower, than turbo isn't real horsepower either. A turbo is a power-adder, just like a supercharger and NOS. All three are known as power-adders. All three give horsepower. So I must say NOS is horsepower in a bottle, but if you say it isn't, turbo isn't real horsepower either. Take your pick. You know what I mean?

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Soon, very soon...... I'm preparing to send my car in to be modded. Given the proper tuning and parts, I should be somewhere around 380 hp... What's that? Pathetic you say? Menial difference? Unnoticable? Perhaps...if this was a VR4, or even an SL. But, ladies and gentlemen, the car in subject to be modified is a BASE GT!!!!! Soon, yes, very soon........Mwa ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! (ok, time for my medication...)

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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Hey Guys,

I'm glad you guys pick on Robbie so much. He apologized and you still go on with it. Give it a rest man. Hope the new years going well for everyone else. sheesh.

Ok, tranny problems??? Try redline. It's one of the more preferred ones for the Z. If you go to http://twinturbo.net and go to the links you will find one for redline. Beyond that I don't know what to tell you. I've heard those 6speeds are very temperamental.

Jammer: mentioned the spoiler downforce stuff. If you have ever driven a 240Z or 260Z at high speeds it will start feeling like you are a little too much off the ground. Not a good feel. With my new Z it's much more stable at higher speeds... "you know my top speed of 60mph =) Just for those who are going to make jokes"

Anyone have BOVs on their cars? I don't hear too much about ppl replacing them on their 3/s. I'm planning on getting some for the Z for the whole steady spool up idea. =) Quicker Spool up = BOVs, Exhaust, Flywheel. can't wait.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 12 Jan 2000

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One more question,

The 3/s isn't a true dual exhaust???? on paul prentis' page it shows the system from an arial view. How crazy. I would suggest removing the psuedo exhaust and sticking a 3" pipe through to a single tip. Single pipe = more torque, or so I have heard. =)

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Jammer, FireStorm Red:

Im having some difficulties on finding a VR4/TT. This black SL is fully loaded, chrome rims, 300 watt system, etc. I will always look for the VR4/TT but Im also taking insurance into account. I appreciate the advice you give me so far, but could you tell me several mods I could put on to boost HP?

Also, has anyone tried the Bosh platnium plugs?

Shoelace24@aol.com

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Robbie, I don't see how you didn't mean any harm to 3kgt's but yet still got crap for it... Second of all, you seem to be getting "pushed" around even though you apologized? Just for that, I think nino is a fucking pussy and he has his head up his ass for still picking on you even tho u said sorry... What a MORON. Oh and your Boxster S has 250bHP and close to about 230torque (?) and it would sure as hell give a VR4 stock, a run for its money (probably not beat it though). Anyhow, good luck. Nino is a pussy, suck it you son of a bitch.

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Drew,

I've heard good things about putting in Blowoff Valves (BOV's) I think they add a bit more power. If you're gonna upgrade, you might as well put in a bigger wastegate too. Oh yeah and the 3kgt isn't a "true" dual exhaust... its really one exhaust with two sets of pipes for each side... So much for boasting about dual exhausts. I was fooled, heh.

paul '95 SL

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Shoelace24@aol.com

Bosch is the leader in spark plugs, but NGK's are recomended for your car... I tested the Bosch +4 vs the NGK platinums and I didnt see too much difference. Maybe a little bit better pickup w/ the bosch. Plugs, its your choice but If your gonna use good ignition wires for those plugs id suggest u try the NGK or Bosch magnecor racing wires which is the best from my ezperience, they have the least resistence

paul '95 SL

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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hi its me again,

Anybody have experience with engine tuning? internal mods like rocker panels, cams, pistons, etc. I was looking to fine tune my engine and chrome it too... i'll post some pics of my car soon.

paul '95 SL

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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hi its me again,

Anybody have experience with engine tuning? internal mods like rocker panels, cams, pistons, etc. I was looking to fine tune my engine and chrome it too... i'll post some pics of my car soon.

paul '95 SL

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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To Greg's 94 Sleeper,

Your tranny issue sounds like a synco problem. I've had similar issues with other cars I've owned over the years (non 3000GT). I remember hearing/reading that the trans (97 anyway) has dual syncos in first and second gears. Was this to fix a synco issue from earlier or just to patch a "weak link" all along?

More HP equals more drive train stress. Especially since the VR-4 doesn't break traction much at all. That shouldn't hurt the syncos to much but the other parts will feel it under hard driving. I've heard that the existing clutch adequate until you start getting over 400HP.

Hope this helps, -- Mike -- Red 97 VR-4 Stock (for now)

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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ROBBIE: I just mess with you cuz its fun, nothing personal, i don't even know ya. you're right i wish i was a test(trust fund) baby too. but i'm a made n166@. so don't go getting all emontional on me. you know how us young adults love to talk shit. my car faster, my engine is bigger, cost more, etc. of the wall question. whats a good magazine to get some info on flippin (mods) a bike?

STUNT DOUBLE: Stayo out of grown folks business.

ROOM: Has anyone used the bozz speed cams? ya or neh?

-Nino HatedMobSpeed

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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PAUL '95 SL: Try (Bill) Gude Performance. He has head packages that covered almost everything you mentioned. he put one on my ex-girl friends base model probe and she gained 45hp. plus he's kool as hell and knows his engine tuning.

-Nino (the pussy son of a bitch)

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Hey Paul,

No reason to boast about that darn dual exhaust. Look at the SupraTT. One of the fastest darn vehicles EVERY. Just broke into the 8's I believe. They have a single exhaust and with BPU (basic performance upgrades can get 400+ HP) A stage3 Z makes 406 "reliable" HP, but costs around 800-1000 more than the same on a Supra. Ever thought of going to a single pipe? Save ya some weight. =)

Heres a question for ya'll. Do you find it insulting to have ricers talk to you about your car or try to have you join a car club. I personally don't care. I just like talking to people with mutual interests. Hell, I have a Z and hang out on a 3/s page. =) Off hand my friend just put a 427 in his 60s malibu.. what fun..

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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I NEED SOME INPUT, ROOM!For those who have installed a boost controller.. What kind in the best to buy, and how simple or difficult is the installation of the unit? Do you have to be an expert to install it? Also how many horses will i be pushing with a boost controller, and a K&N FIPK?

Sizigi~ 92 VR-4

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Guys,

thanks for responding to my tranny questions. I've heard most of what you guys have mentioned, but that's ok. Keep me posted if your hear any suggestions.

Now, LET IT SNOW, LET IT SNOW, LET IT SNOW. When all the little C5's and 300zs, the Vipers and the Supra TT's are put away - The Vr4 still come out to play.

It's snowing right now in RI and I've been on the road all day. I've gotten a few double takes when the guys in the Dodge Magnums and Subarus sees me still boosting around town.

Bring on the snow, slush, sand (well, not to much sand. I stopped today to wash my car. Silly, huh! but the sight of sand on my rims didn't sit too well) Oh, well that didn't stop me.

So, many of you probably want to know how dependable vr4s are in the snow - they are awesome. They are not 4x4s but they can do a hell of a lot more than a fwd or a car with snow tires. Sometimes the ass slides a little, but what do you want when their is 350hp (my car) on the other side of the trottle.

Anyways, she's a little dirty but that's doesn't stop her from showing her stuff.

Oh yeah, TODAY, my SRS cpu caught on fire. Surprise!!! I smelt smoke! Then I saw it coming from beneath my center counsel. Luckily I had a phillips head in the glove compartment. I had that sucker down to the frame in about 30 seconds. So, I removed the board, now I'm without airbags, and tomorrow I'll start my search for a rediculously priced replacement.

On a britter note, I'm thinking! as a tribute to all you ball busters who disrespect our Vr4's. Notice my finger, and the ski rack on my non-hibernating GT as I pass you (as usual) and the rest of your adult friends uncomfortably riding in your mom's caravan. Guess I'm going to get to the mountains first..ha ha.

Greg's 94 sleeper

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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Hey guys I am new here i just bought a 92 TT from a guy that was getting married and had to get rid of the car(bummer). lucky for me I got it for $12500 and it only has 28k on her. She is in mint condition. Recently I have raced a Z28 and got my ass spanked. I was comming up to a red light, stoped and looked over to see a commero. I looked to see the Z28 sticker.I glanced back at the light to see it was green, I herd the tires sqeel from the Z28 and I (not thinking)dumped the clutch at 2500 rpm. She fell on her face but when the turboes spooled up I jumped in front of the commero,I through it in second gear floored it again to see the commero run by me. later that night I was pissed off bound and determand to win a race, I found my self at a red light next to a former High school (Punk ass)in his Cumstang gt. I reved it up to 4500 light turned green i let the clutch out smothly but quick and wasted the fucker.

Tanner: Pearl white TT

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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HELP!!!

Ok guys I got a 97 base model and need help on what mods to do. I know I'm at a disadvantage with HP but I've got the car down to 2900 lbs. The car is stock, just got it. Any info will be much appreciated.

Please don't give me that get a VR-4 crap, I can barley afford the insurance on this one. Too many tickets on the GSXR-750.

Also did the base model come with leather and all the options? My friend swears I have a SL. He claims the base didn't come fully loaded with leather. Is this true?

Thanks

Dano 97Base

Date:: 13 Jan 2000

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A base model can have option the VR-4 has including leather.

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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I DON'T HAVE A WAR STORY. I JUST WANT A KIK ASS 3000GT.

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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A couple days ago some guy posted that his Jaguar XJR sedan keeps up with his friend's VR4. IS THIS POSSIBLE??? Anyone know the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for the Jaguar XJR?

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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To anyone:

Dano 97 base:If you find out any engine mods, let me know. Also if you give me your-email, ill let you know if i find any.

Shoe 94' SL:I need help finding engine mods for my SL. TT/VR4 insurance will kill me.

Shoe '94 SL

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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i always kick mustangs ass. with my 96 3000gt trans am give me a little trouble nothing i cant handel

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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---------ATTENTION ALL 3KGT BASE OWNERS------------ I'm sending my car hopefully to be prototyped for a supercharger kit in the next month or so. The guy who's going to do it estimated anywhere between a 65-100 HP gain, depending on how well the engine handles it. It's a little pricey, si brace yourselves. He wants to sell the kit for about $3500. I'm not sure if that includes labor, but if I get prototyped, it won't cost me anything. I just won't have my car for a few months. ( Speaking of which, I'm going to need a bike to get to and from work. Not looking to spend too much, just need something basic. Any suggestions?) The HP gain also does NOT include any other modifications(i.e. exhaust, headers, FIPK, etc.)So 300HP isn't all that farfetched. I'll keep you guys posted on any updates. By the way, besides muffler, headers, FIPK, spark plugs and wires, what else could I add to the car? What are the HP gains for the above mods? What brands do you recomend? I'm trying to keep my car looking as stock as possible and REALLY make it a sleeper. How much am I looking to spend? Should I get larger tires and rims? What about NO2? Is that bad for your drivetrain?

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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Shoe '94 SL, my a-mail is danserrao@accessthe.net

Does anyone know if the FIPK works on a 97' base? I called K&N and they only listed it for 91-95. I don't think I have the room for it because of the battery. If anyone has put one on a 97-99 let me know. The part number I have is 57-1500-1.

Also I see this site has the generation 2 listed but I can't seem to find it anywhere including K&N. If anyone has the part number for this I would be much appreciated.

What type of exhaust do you guys recommend? I'm not looking for sound but performance.

Marv, that kit sounds killer but do you need it? My base model tends to float at 120+mph. The VR-4 needs TT to compensate for the weight and has AWD to handle it. I'm no expert but I can't imagine my base model handling that much HP at 2900LBS.

Dano 97'Base

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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Well, one day I was driving my 3000gt down a lonely street in a residential area when all of a sudden a buch of playboy models jumped on my car and begged me to let them inside. When I opened the door, they all came in and started stripping. I could not beleive it! After we had a group orgy in my 3000gt, I went home, glad to be alive after all that sex.

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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Dano, It's not so much the top-end speed I'm looking for, but how fast I can get there. The VR4/TT do have an advantage because of the weight and AWD, but unless you drag race, how often are you going to drive that fast? I'm simply trying to make a killer street car that can get me from 0-60 ( a real-world speed our car is more apt to handle) as quickly as possible. We hold the advantage at that range because of our weight, but the AWD of the VR4 balances it out. Besides, the thought of a Base having as much HP as a stock VR4 has me tickled...

Marv's Base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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MARV: don't forget to contact gude performance. Mr. Gude has cam, throttle bodies, ported heads, remapped ecus and almost anything else you can think of. the head package my ex-girlfriend had was $1500 and added 45hp to the wheels. also unorthodox under pulleys. borla makes a non-turbo exhaust. but now that i know out cars aren't truly dual exhaust, i'm gonna take the advice of one of the room members and save weight with the greddy. unless someone can give me dyno showing a dual system that gives more flow, and horsepower.

-Nino (living life highspeed)

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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To Shoelace24@aol.com: To increase the HP on your SL, there are a few things you can do to it. 1st) K&N FIPK, 2nd) I've heard removing the solenoid increases HP, 3rd) Exhaust system. Short of doing internal engine work these are the most inexpensive ways you can increase you SL's HP.

To the guy with NOS on his 3000GT: I'm not denying the fact that NOS gives you a lot of HP. But your NOS bottle can run out, my turbos will not "run-out". That's why I don't consider it 'real' HP. Anything you can run out of which increases HP, doesn't sit to well with me.

To Drew/List: It's true the exhaust on the TT is not a true dual exhaust system, because of the transversely mounted engine on our cars'. The stock system is heavy around 75 to 80 lbs.

To Drew: Actually the BOVs we have on the 3/S and the 300ZX are, what are called, re-circulating BOVs. What that means is the air coming back, after hitting the throttle plate, instead of venting to the atmosphere will go back into the compressor wheel of the turbo. This reduces turbo lag. I hope I made myself clear

To Dano 97'Base: You should be able to put a K&N FIPK on the 97 model. The engine compartment between the three generations of the 3/S did not change much.

To Marv's base sleeper: Wow, 380HP! from a base. You must have a lot of money. Man if you pull it of, you'll have a power-to-weight ratio better than most 'exotic' sports cars. You should be able to take anything on the road, short of a Viper. Good Luck!

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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TO NINO- Thanks for the info. The supercharger alone will only give me 100HP tops. I'll probably end up using the money I saved from the prototype for those mods. Who knows, maybe even NO2? TO JAMMER- Thanks! Like I said, If I use my car as a prototype, it won't cost me a dime, so I'll use that money for exhaust, FIPK, etc. Hopefully around May-June, work should be complete. TO ROOM- If anyone knows the power increases from ehxaust, plugs, etc., please tell me. That would be on top of the Super Charger with no internal work done. Also, I'm still looking for an inexpesive cycle while my car is being worked on. Any help would be appreciated.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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Nino, thanks a lot for the info I'll definitely take a look at it. =) Also, does anybody know what exactly a new underdrive pulley would do? I mean it increases bHP and all, but what I really want to know is, is it a threat to the engine? Or the life of the engine? I'm thinking of adding one to my gt but I dont know if its werth it... one shop i know is quoting me 265 for one, or i can get one from stillen which would cost me about the same. thanks.

paul '95 SL

Date:: 14 Jan 2000

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Hey Jammer,

About the BOV's, I understand the premise of the recirculating valve, however I haven't heard too much praise about it, as air will still be forced back upon the fan slowing it down. The BOV actually helps to keep the turbo revolving quicker and helps to save it from any damage. Who knows. The bovs sound great also. Take is easy everyone

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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I have a little question for you all. I have 25K to spend on a car. If I found and bought a perfect 1-owner 91-92 VR4 with under 70K miles for $15,000, I would end up putting the remaining $10,000 into the engine. If I did this, how much horsepower could I expect?

[Terry]

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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Dano,

would you tell me what you did to get your car down to 2900??

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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To Marv's base sleeper: The K&N FIPK won't net you very much on a non-turbo but with the supercharger you'll be putting, it should give around 5 to 7 HP. The exhaust will give you about 10 to 15 HP, but I heard you lose some low-end torque with an aftermarket exhaust. With that much HP driving the front wheels you're gonna’ get a lot of torque steer (wheel hope). Make sure you get some heavy duty anti-roll bars.

To Drew "Z": Yah, the aftermarket BOVs do sound better and probably vent more air reducing compressor surge better than stock.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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If i were to look at a VR-4 how would I see if both the front and rear active spoilers are functional, thanks? Bill

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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Terry,

Just look at everything in the modifications list. Ok, now that that is done, let me just say that you could do just about EVERY mod in there. =) You could get around 550-600(perhaps more depending on upgraded turbo size). But be forwarned, keep some saved up for fixing certain things. The Trannys seem to not like the high horsepower(none do), just keep that in mind. =)

-Drew "Z" Stage 3 here I come

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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Marv,

Just an assumption. I AM NOT AN EXPERT. But I do believe that realistically you will come out with 90-100 hp INCLUDING the Intake and Exhaust upgrade. Ideally, you need a less restrictive intake and exhaust. Preferably an exhaust with less back pressure. Keep me posted. =) drew@nosuchsol.com

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 15 Jan 2000

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On the insurance issue.....'94 base3k (red)...$48/month !!! State Farm...$100 deducts on comp and collision, no tickets, no accidents, multi car discount plus assorted others!

-JayBase '94

Date:: 16 Jan 2000

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Jay,

I have a '99base (black), $205/month. I also have State Farm. $500 deduct. on comp and collision, 23 year old male, multicar discount, good student and alarm discounts, NJ. What kinds of discounts do you have that allows you to pay less than 1/4 than what I'm paying?

evant@home.com

Date:: 16 Jan 2000

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well my story goes like this.. I amdriving my iroc 86/with a dodge stealth twin turbo i stuffed in it last summer fro a wrecker for 3000 bucks (I am a mechanic at gm)anyway driving home at 6 pm last thursday I am on the 401 from toronto when all of the sudden a 1988?mustang gt with a helthy set if 18 inch rims comes flying up from behind and I see him ..shit he came up aT 200KMH/ ANYWAY HE SLOWED DOWN TO 140 WHICH I WAS TRAVELLING EGGING ME ON TO RACE UP TO 250??WHO NOWS. PSYCHOTIC VILLAN..i FLOOR IT PUT IT IN 5TH AND THIS GYY GOT A REAL SUPRISE PROBABLY FROM THE 8000RPM REV SOUND COMMING FROM A CRAPPY IROC.iT WAS FUNNY i BLEWWWWWWHIM AWAY AND I REALIZED i WAS GOING 240 WHEN i PASS A COP GOING THE OTHER WAY SO i OFF RAMPED IT INCASE HE CALLED HIS BUDDUES IN FROM MY DIRECTION.THE MUSTANG GUY WAS WAY BACK 200 FEET ? ANYWAY MY CUSTOM DRIVESHAFT i MADE WORKS FOR SURE. i PAN TO PUT THIS IN AJIMMY SOON .ROMANSURA AT HOTMAIL.COM

Date:: 16 Jan 2000

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a 3000 gt vr4 ran over my caq my ballz hurt

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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Is anybody going to help me out with my last post???

[Terry]

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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Hehe I'm not here to flame or troll but I think it's funny reading the posts that are tuned toward "We shouldn't waste our time racing the likes of Camaro's and Mustangs". I just think it's funny all the time's I've tried to instigate a "high profile" race with the likes of a Viper or VR4. I can understand (sorta)how you wouldn't want to "soil" your hands with lesser beings(or cars) but I guarantee there are more modified f-bods/mustangs than thier are VR4's/RT's etc etc :)

TC in Texas 1996 Z28

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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Hi Terry, Depends on what you want to do with that much HP. With $10,000 in mods you can get a lot of HP. Let's quickly look at a parts, amounts and HP gain:

1)K&N FIPK, $150, about 5 to 7 HP 2)Exhaust, $700 (and up), about 15 HP 3)Boost Controller, $399, at 14.5psi roughly 60 HP 4)Aftermarket Y-pipe, around $200, no HP gain but your Y-pipe won't blow-off. 5)Fuel pump, [price not sure], no HP increase but will allow you to increase the boost to 18psi. Our stock turbos can't handle too much after 18psi. Oh if you do this you need high octane fuel and regapped spark plugs. 6) Fuel controller, around $200, no HP gain but will allow you to controller how much fuel. Needed for high boost applications. 7) Upgrade turbos, around $3000, Not sure about HP gain.

With all that added up your around $4500 to 4700 not including installation. Also Not including the turbo upgrade you're at ~400 HP. With that much HP you should be able to take anything on the street.

So it all depends on what you want to do with the car. If you want the fastest drag car out there I would buy the 91/92 TT and sink the rest into mods. If you just want something that's fast, I would get a 2nd gen. VR4 or TT.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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To TC in Texas 1996 Z28: I to don't want to start a flame war regarding this subject. You're are absolutely correct there are more modified f-body/mustangs on the road, but that's because they are less expensive than a 3000GT or a Stealth (this is comparing equal years and models).

To List, I will have to say Mustangs unless modified are nothing to worry about. But Camaros/TransAms are cars that we should worry about. For a 1994 and up models the with comparable drivers they should take us of the line, assuming the Z28/TA doesn't spin his tires too much.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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ok something has happened that should never had happened. I have(had)vr-4.i was racing a very late model camaro, maybe a 67-70, i don't know but it looked like a 67 model type. anyway. i was runnin about 450 hp. I dropped the wieght to less than 3400. this is what the vr-4 should be. Every time i floored it, i never ever sliiperd, and my neck was a part of the seat.

The Camaro was runnig a LOT of hp. It was rumbling like no other car i've heard. It was simply beautiful. You could hear and smell the exaust. It was a yellow with two black stripes. Huge tires and about 5-6 inches off the ground.

SO he pulls up to me and he was nice. we talked for about 1 min and before the greenlight he asked if i wanted to race. i was scared, but i said ok.

green, we were off. my awd was too much. but at about 148 he comes roaring by he was going at least 160-170. so i kept going, but he was still ahead. Then, one of his tires pop. His car does about 10 spins then flips more than 5 times. I was going exactly 172 when i ran over something from his car. my tire spun but i had some kick ass tires. i was loosing control but i got it to stop. I ran to his car and helped his out. He was not concious. The ambulance came and later that day i found out he is in coma. He still is.

What i came here to say is speed is beautiful. But life is more. You should never risk your life over speed, or to show off your car. I beg of you. Please keep your speed to a limit. No matter how much you are temted, don't do it. It's not worth it. thank you

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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SO he pulls up to me and he was nice. we talked for about 1 min and before the greenlight he asked if i wanted to race. i was scared, but i said ok.

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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SO he pulls up to me and he was nice. we talked for about 1 min and before the greenlight he asked if i wanted to race. i was scared, but i said ok.

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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To the post above: Sorry to hear about that misfortunate accident. Hopefully the guy will be okay. You mentioned, "you have (had) a vr-4" what do you mean by that. Are you going to be charged with racing and reckless driving?

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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so today I ordered me a kandn intake kit. What kind of time am I lookin at for instalation? I've heard its not too hard, but I don't have a lot of time.

Mark T's Vr4

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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i got a call not to long ago that said he was doing beter. when i said hve(had) a vr-4, my car was somewhat wrecked, and they impounded it. We are both being charged with over exesive speed, wreckless driving, and a couple of other minor charges. The thing is they are putting the blame on him for asking to race. But i said yes. We are both to blame. I am seriously thinking about taking the blame. That'ss the least i can do for the poor man. He's in coma, has 3 kids, 15 19 and 22. I feel sorry for them all.

With all the tickets, i need 8,000 dollars to get my car out. And that's not including the repair costs. I might also try to get somehow enough money to get his car(what evers left of it) out. But that's another 12,000.

Once again people please. keep your limits to a limit. I know when you have a sports car you want to floor it. But don't go extremey fast unless you have the right saftey equiptment. But then again f you do have the right saftey equip. to go 150+, then your not driving a street legal car, your driving a race car.

so the next time you have 5+ miles of straight infront of you, or a guy pulls up to you and revs his engine, please remember Jon Whitman. We need more car fans, not one more death. Get $ and rent a drag strip.

Date:: 17 Jan 2000

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To all you VR-4 OWNERS,

I own a totally stock 1997 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo. Mitsubishi 3000GT is an exotic looking car no doubt about it, but the exotic look is the only thing that the VR-4 has. I know that the Supra TT and the VR-4 both pump 320 hp stock but the VR-4 is so slow. It couldn't catch up with my Sup'Dawg TT. I raced many VR-4s already and one of them is a modified 99 VR-4. That 99 VR-4 couldn't even hang with my Sup'Dawg TT. After I murdered that 99 VR-4, the driver of the car and I had a little talk and I could see the look of shame on his face. One VR-4 even had black smoke coming out of its exhaust after I showed him not to play around with my Supra TT. Damn VR-4s are so slow.

My friend owns a 1996 Supra TT which has an automatic tranny. I hate to say this but VR-4s are his favorite meal together with the 300ZX. I hate when people try to compare the VR-4 with the Supra TT. The only advantage that the VR-4 has over the Supra TT is it's sexy body. But besides that, Supra TT will eat the VR-4 alive. The only decent Japanese sports car that I think can hang with the Supra is the Mazda RX-7. And you guys in here talking about beating C5 and M3, c'mon guys wake up and stop dreaming. And one more thing, you guys should go to http://www.mkiv.com. This is the official site of the Toyota Supra. Go to our ROADKILLS section and read the war stories. By the way, our war stories have pictures attached to them to prove that the Toyota Supra is the only REAL Japanese Sports car. That answers why the Toyota Supra holds more value than the 3000GT.

Warning you all, Red Toyota Supra Twin Turbo a.k.a : (VR-4 KILLER, VR-4 DUSTER, VR-4 MURDERER)

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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To the previous post...

What are you talking about? The VR-4 ALWAYS edged out the Supra in acceleration both 0-60 and the quarter mile. Don't take my word for it though, read the car and driver (road and track?) comparison they did a few years back and read the specs for yourself. Granted it's a heavier car which in turn makes it feel "cumbersome", but it's by no means a slow car.

I don't mean to put down Supra's. They're incredible cars in their own right. I'd still like to know exactly who you raced that their car seemed so "slow". Are you sure it was a VR-4. I'd hate for you to be bragging about having beaten a base GT.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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The Supra TT is a nice car but definitely nothing to brag about. I personally haven't raced one yet and I'm sure when I do, he will be toast. My car is modded and I'm sure I wouldn't have a problem with a Supra TT. In fact, I saw one yesterday while I was driving home. We got about a inch and a half of snow and this poor puppy couldn't even roll from a stop light without spinning his tires. That's one of the main reasons why I didn't buy one, useless in the snow and rain. Supras are strong at the top end, mainly because it has a aftermarket designed muffler and it breathes better at higher speeds than the VR4 but that can be changed with a K&N FIPK and Borla exhaust. With those two mods alone, the VR4 can equal the Supra TT at higher speeds(80mph and up). I tell ya what though, if the VR4 wasn't in existence in 1997, I probably be in a Supra TT today, it is faster because it's lighter by about 250lbs and has the better exhaust system. Technology wise, forget it the Supra Turbo is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and the VR4 is a steak sandwich. Looks, please we all know about that one. Nice car but I wouldn't brag about it.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Hi, My name is Gabe. I am 17 years old, and I have loved the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 and Dodge Stealth RT/TT ever since 1991 when I first saw one parked near my house. I am in love with this car and all of its capabilitites. But I am in a bind now. I am ready to go to college, and have been driving for 2 years now. I am saving up my money to put it together with money from my parents and grandparents in order to buy a car. And of course the car that I want is a 3000GT VR-4 or Stealth Twin Turbo. All i can afford right now is probably a 91 with sort of high miles, but I am willing to deal since this has been my dream car for 9 years now. Anyway my question is, what would anyone suggest in terms of should I start with the SL model, or stuff like Ive read about having to warm the car up and let it cool down because of the turbos, IM not sure about any of this, but if anyone would like to respond, I would like some tips just about what car I should choose, and like warnings b4 buying this type of car. Thank you for your time. Soon to hopefully own a 91 3000GT VR-4 Gabe

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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To the Supra TT guy: Yes stock .vs. stock the Supra TT (94+) will outrun a 1991-1999 3000GT or Stealth TT. But let's take a closer look at the price and equipment of the two cars. The Supra TT has bigger injectors 550cc, better fuel pump and a better exhaust (as Marc mentioned) so if you take the price of those parts into account it makes up the difference in price between the two cars. So, if you get those same mods done to a 3/S TT it will be equal to the performance of the Supra TT.

The 0-60 times of the 3/S TT should be better than a Supra TT (stock vs stock), because of the AWD advantage of our cars'. But the Supra TT will eventually edge us out around the 1/4 mile because it's lighter.

I've been to the MKIV site and I've read all the 'Road Kills' and only one story mentioned the Supra TT beating a 3/S TT. Even the Supra owner mentioned that the guy in the 3/S TT didn't know how to drive.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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I guess every now and then its good to re-tell an old warstory.

I raced and electirc blue Supra TT on my way to school. We were on the highway and we went at it twice, both times from about 70mph.

The first time he took the lead, due to traffic, but he had it floored and I was dragging his ass The next time we were both in the middle lane, I went left he went right and I went right by him At about 130 I has a good 4 car lengths on him.

I don't mind when a fellow turbo-head pops in to comment. In fact, I think the Supra is an incredible car, but they both perform about the same - bottom line!!

As for this Supra....the Sleeper strikes again. If you own a fast car learn to drive it!!

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Hey everybody. In April my wife will be having our 4th child(a girl). It's time for us to move up to a large SUV. Our Maxima just isn't going to cut it. Here's a list of SUV's that we've been considering: 1) Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon 2) Toyota Landcruiser 3) Mitsubishi Montero 4) Ford Expedition Does anybody own one of these SUV's or know anything about them? It's a tough choice. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Neil- 1997 black VR4

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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To Gabe, at your age insurance on a VR4 or Stealth TT will be like having another car note and VR4's are not cheap to maintain. If you drive the VR4/Stealth TT really hard, then you do want to let the turbos cool down before you turn off the car or else they'll begin to melt. Otherwise, normal everyday driving doesn't harm the turbos. The SL is a nice car, the performance is no where near the VR4 but it's fairly quick and has great luxury appointments. I say, get the SL for now so you can keep some money in your pocket and in a year or two if your financial status changes for the better, trade up to a early model VR4 or Stealth TT( 96 was the final year for the Stealth).

Neil, congratulations on your new family member. The Monteros didn't fair well in crash test but it is fairly roomy and is the best looking SUV from the list you made. The Landcruiser is a litle bigger, don't know how it faired in the crash test but it is pretty expensive($46K). One of my buddies own a Expedition. It's HUGE. Sits high, you have to climb in it. Solid, has had it 2 years with no problems, might be a challenge for small kids to get in and out of. Tons of space. Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon appears to be just the right fit, not to small but not too big. Yukon is the sportier of the two and has the larger standard engine. It's your call.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Gabe, I am a 22 year old college student, with 2 part time jobs. Between school and my jobs, I spend about 70-80 hrs. a week. I live at home with my parents, and don't pay any rent. I do provide my own food. But I don't end up with alot of extra cash. I have a 91 Vr4, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. When I bought it, it had 70k miles, and I didn't realize that It needed new tires, and the waterpump went out, and at the same time, the timing belt had to be changed, along with the front brakes. All this came to nearly $2000.00. If you want to make the sacrifices, the Vr4/tt is the way to go. I wouldn't get an sl if I were you, you'll only end up wishing you had what you know you're missing out on. Get yourself a totaly different car. I used to have an eclipse rs (non turbo). I would always look longingly at the turbo models, with tears in my eyes. (Now I blow past em.)

Mark T's (tease) Vr4

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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I'm considering buying a 3000GT SL( I can't afford a VR-4) maybe a '95. I was wondering if anyone had an accurate 0-60 time on a stock SL manual. I would like to do some basic mods ( K&N filter and maybe an exhaust). Would this be able to beat a '95 Integra GS-R and a Camaro Z28 w/ no mods? Just wondering. Thanks for the help --Brian (future 3000GT owner)

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Sorry no war story....just a little bit of pain....My 3000GT VR-4 just went into the shop to have the clutch master and slave cylinders replaced. I was told by the dealership that the cylinders are not covered under the 5yr/50k Power Train Warranty. Does anyone know where I can find what specifically is covered on that warranty?

Date:: 18 Jan 2000

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Neil,

My wife & I enjoy our Jeep Cherokee. It's a 1996 V6, rides comfortably, and has more take off power than many of the other SUV's we tried. Also, the Cherokee is a breeze to maintain.

Happy shopping, Dante Green 95 VR-4

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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Check this out, I've got a base 97' with a few modes. I just did a 0-60mph test and got mid sixes. I know what your thinking, my VR-4 does it in 5 but hey this is a BASE. With the modes and weight reduction the car takes off. Oh and the thing that makes this story even better......Its an automatic!!!!!!!!!

To the guy who asked about weight reductions, one thing to keep in mind. When you buy parts compare the weight. Every thing from batteries to exhaust have varying weight. You may look at two thing that are the same performance but one weighs 10 pounds less. Also ditch everything you don't need. If I get a flat, I have to call AAA because I ditched my spare and jack. The exact weight on my 97 Base is 2954lbs with (estimating) 210 HP.

Maybe one day when my insurance goes down from tickets I will get my hands on a VR-4.

Dano_97BASE

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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Where can i look up a VIN number? Carfax is crap, the said "IMPORTANT - While running this Lemon Check, Carfax identified 1 vehicle history records about this 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4" but they will not tell me what the record is. Where can I find out?

Max

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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Hello Guys. I'm 20 and I have a 1994 3000GT SL. I have the car since i was 17, it was a gift from my parents. All I can say is that the 3000GT is an awesome car and I love it. Even though my car is only an SL, it has 18" VR-4 chrome rims, I put a 1991 VR4 auto climate control in it, it has a 1991 Active Aero Spoiler, and it has an Erebuni front bumper and a Phantom City round tail light cover. I'm not a big fan of racing so I just decided to convert my SL to the looks and aerodynamics of the VR-4.

I have a full time job now and I'm planning to trade my car for a 99 VR-4, 1992 Acura NSX-T or a 1998 Toyota Supra Twin Turbo and maybe a BMW M3. Since I don't know much about these cars can you please tell me which car to go for. Thanks.

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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ROOM: what's up people miss me? anyway where and how much can i can a set of the vr4 18" chrome rims? also does anyone know a good radiator hose upgrade? 'til we meet on the street.

Nino (livinglifehighspeed)

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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18 year old, 93 3000gt dohc non'turbo, paying 175$ mo. for insurance. you guys are lucky, don't take it for granted. (new mexico's high uninsured motorist rate and 4 tickets, no accidents)

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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Hey Max,

Look around on http://twinturbo.net/ ask "who does VIN checks?" and you are bound to get someone to answer you back. =)

Brian - the new Z28's are quick, as are the 90's models. Don't plan on beating them with a SL or Base. In fact the new one's have a 4.9-5.2 0-60. The integra are more of a good change. You have the torque factor. Use that to your advantage. Good luck.

Nino- do you have a vr4 or another model?

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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hey, its the 18 year old from new mexico again. since this is the warstories section i thought i should mention a bit of the action i've had. but first i just want to say that all of you talking shit because your daddy let's you race his vette can kiss my ass. i had to work my ass of to get my car (93 3k 24v dohc) and don't come back here till you quit borrowing daddy's toys and buy your own damn car. okay now that i got that off my chest i can begin. i've raced several cars including a supra, rx7, two camaro's at once,300 zx, and a few others who where way out of thier leuge (don't need to mention those, waste of time). the fastest that i ever got my car was when i was going home from an evening class on the highway. just as got on off the ramp, going about 85, my radar detector went off (the day that detectors/scramblers are outlawed in n.m. is the day i shoot the govoner). i promptly applied the brakes and waited for lights as i cruised @ 55. the radar stopped an no lights yet in sight so i punched it. before i knew it i was up to 130 and nearing my exit. just as i was braking for the exit i saw the lights far in the bakground. after exiting i hauled ass through so bakroads and proceed home. that was the fastest i've ever been and whooa, what a rush. i'm kinda lagging on so i'll only talk about one race. my most exiting one was the only one i lost, go figure. it was 3 a.m. through city streets against a tricked out 2nd gen rx7 tt. i was leaving my friends place when he passed by so i caught up to pick my losing fight at a red light. i creamed him off the line (i think he was just playing with me), and we were about 50 through a sharp downtown s turn. coming out of the turn he passed me and i rode his ass through 25mph const. zone going 95. after the const. zone it broke back into 2 lanes and he pulled into the left. both accelerating i got slightly ahead at about 110. then he pulled out his artillery, he down shifted and a few gunshots came out his exhaust, pop pop pop!!!! he took off like i was sitting still. he had to be going like 150! sobbing in my defeat i following him to the gas station to ask him what the hell he did to that thing. i got out of my car (shaking from adrenaline) and began talking to him. amongst other things i remember him saying 17lb boost (he was mexican and i couldn't understand very well). it was the most exciting race i was ever in. since then i've really wanted to get a vr4 but i cant afford the insurance. i can't decide whether to save up for a vr4 or mod the one i have now. any suggestions? hope you like my "warstory" shea spina las cruces n.m. wiena69@hotmail.com

Date:: 19 Jan 2000

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What's up guys. I used to own a 1995 3000GT SL, but after having the car for almost 5 yrs, I decided to trade it. At first I was thinking of getting a 99 VR-4, but almost all of my friends (one of them owns a sweet Ferrari 355 F1)talked me out of getting one. I know that the 3000GT is an awesome car but for my experience, they're a bit heavy and most VR-4 owners from the 3SI.org have problems with their turbos. I bought the 3000GT SL coz' I was a little short of cash back then. Now I'm a proud owner of an ass kickin' 1998 Black Lotus Esprit V-8 Turbo. It produces around 350hp. And after the winter, I'm in the process of modifying it. I hate to say this but my Lotus' first victim is a second generation VR-4. My friend in CA is also deciding to trade his 94 VR4 for a Porsche 911 Turbo. The reason is that he's tired of putting too much money fixing his VR4, which is not worth it.

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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Anyone know what's the J or JJ means in the wheel size for the VR4 91-93 8.5J x17 94+ 8.5JJ x18?

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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Gabe: I know you may have enough money for the car right now, but i highly suggest waiting about a year or two more. I just bought my 94 SL during the summer at 19 years old. The car may be in your price range to buy but probably not in your range to own, especially if you are going to college. From empty, the gas tank takes about Thirty bills out of your pocket. Fill up 3 or 4 times every 2 weeks and there goes all your cash. Then i had the slave cylinder on my clutch go and the waterpump went at the same time. While they had the timing belt off they changed that too. All together it cost me just under a grand. Insurance is a grand every six months and that is with the car under my mother's name. My front wheels might be a little out of whack cuz the car is pulling left and i'm sure thats gonna cost me. Then theres the ticket issue. Speeding, tint, etc will cost you.

The Guy looking for a new set of wheels: I'd suggest an NSX or an M3. Or an MR2 and pump the rest of the money into hookin it up beyond beleif. I met this guy at Shoprite the other day with a nice little red turbo MR2. Hooked up beyond beleif. No passenger seat, just a laptop controling his car. 0-60 in just over 3 seconds. beautiful peice of work.

To the Rest of you guys: Anyone in NYC? New law says double the speed limit or any other sort of wreckless driving means you loose your car. Adolf Guliani is killin us over hear. No more street racing for me. =( When the weather gets good i'm gonna have to head out to Englishtown Raceway Park. I dont know if I can hold out till its warm again. I guess racing at the track is more productive anyway. No reason to trick out my car to drive to work and out on weekends unless i'm gonna use what i got. Sorry bout the length of the story. Lata

Rob 94 SL (is SL short for slow? Its still a great car, but i'm never satisfied, oh well)

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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DREW: yeah, got a '91 rt3. it's in bill gude's hands right now so i have no warstories. check a few of my old ones. kick ass car but the motor is in need of major work. i'm looking for stuff to help the cooling system. i e-mailed road race engineering to ask if their radiator upgrade works on the turbotwins. no response yet. plus im coating everything possible with ceramics. i'm puttin a shit load of money into the car cuz i doubt it'll be worth anything when i'm tired of it in 50 years. i'm having the oil cooler relocated to directly behind the nose. most of the stuff mr. gude is doing is internal. but he thinks 380-400hp is a realistic number to the wheels. the k+n, and magnacors will be the only visable mods. after that there won't be all that much left to do. so i'll try to find drivetrain componets. axels, drive shaft, flywheel, tranny upgrade, and a new center, and rear lsd. then i'm looking to do the basics minus exhaust. im trying to keep my car looking stock as long as possible. so exhaust, and wheels (black volk te-37's 17*9.5), re-painted black and there's a front end for the vr4 that i got pictures of put on. the interior you ask? just a greddy warning, peak hold, memory boost gauge, will be mounted in the stock location in dash, with boost controlled by a custom dual mapped ecu, blitz dual turbotimer mounted in the arm rest (gotta do more research to find out if it'll read the ecu directly or does it read a boost controller only. then greddy exhaust, electromotive ignition fuel control unit. then i'll do research on various turbos.

ROOM: will the stock turbos off a 1g manual eclipse out flow the stock turbos on our cars? i know they can put a gsx in the very high 12's. might be an effective cheap alternitive to upgrading the turbos. they go for about 200 used. send them to turbonetics and you should get deep into the 11,s for 1500 or less. just something for everyone to think about 'til i can get some feed back. lastly, does anyone know what ralliart makes for our cars? or contact info? alright then yall and if i could get some actual responses to the many questions i've asked, that would be welcomed. "JAMMER" thanks for the past input. Oh yeah, as soon as general motors (i work in the home loan division and we get fat discounts on anything and all things they own) owns a controlling interest in Isuzu, i'm buying a vehi-cross to modify. why? like to be at the head of the pack, originality kick ass. and they look tight as hell.

sidwayz-Nino-"livinglife highspeed"

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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HEY NINO.......

Where exactly are you? I'm interested in what Mr Gude can do, but I don't know if I'd have to give him my car. I'm already going to be carless the end of next month, so I'd like to know if he makes the kits available for any mechanic to install. Those ported heads would make a nice little addition to my super charger. Hmmmmm, 65-100 HP for super charger, +45 for Gude's mods, +5-7 for K&N, +10-15 for new exhaust. Whoah! That's anywhere between 286-328HP!!!! Ahhhh, I know I'm probably stuck in a little fantasy world right now, but hey, I can dream can't I?

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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Hello Everyone,

To the guy who said he raced a 2nd Gen rx7 twin turbo. Was it modded? They only made a single turbo rx7 for the 86-91. The 93-95 had the two turbos. I know some who has an 88 Twin Turbo 300ZX but he modded it. Personally it would be much better to add an intercooler to the single turbo and up the boost ( new head gasket).

To Nino: You are looking at 400 without turbos? Pretty good!! How much is it going to cost you? I'm going to be pushing 406HP with my exhaust, intake, and chip. Gotta love JWT. I am making sure to get a stock looking exhaust also. I would rather have the stock look than anything else. I don't want to show off too much anyhow. If you are wanting a stock exhaust and money isn't TOO much of an issue check out http://www.bbtriflo.com/ You could prolly have them make one for around 1100-1400 dollars.

Take it easy, Drew

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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To wiena69@hotmail.com : I would suggest saving for a VR-4.

To the guy who can't decide which car he wants to purchase. Hopefully your new full time job is paying you enough, I'm sure it is otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned the cars you did. It all depends on what you like and what you use it for. If you want speed I would go for the Supra TT or the 3000GT VR-4 (which ever you like better). If you don't care about speed I would go for the NSX. If I was you I wouldn't even consider the M3.

To the guy with the 1998 Lotus Esprit, nice car man. Why didn't you go for a slightly used F355? BTW, the fact that you can afford a car like the Lotus why did you even consider a VR4. You're friends made the correct choice by convincing you to get something else.

To Nino: Sorry, no suggestions, just one question. How much will this cost you? BTW, Nino, your questions are starting to get to technical for this discussion board (no offense to anybody). You should sign up to the Stealth and 3000GT list.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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Over here in Jersey, it's been snowing all day. All I can say is the front wheel drive on my 3k kicks ass! It would've been a disaster if I had gotten a rear-driven car. I'm glad I chose the 3k over some of the other sports cars.

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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i replying to the guy that asked if the rx7 i raced was modded at all. i'm absolutly sure of it. when i talked to the guy after we raced i couln't understand all of what he was saying because he sort of spoke english and spanish at the same time. but he did say that he had twin turbos w/ 17psi of boost. it was also obvious that the car was modded out just by the cars appearance (badass bodykit, exuast, pillar guages, screamming turbos) and the fact that the owner himself was a mechanic who looked like he just got done tinkering

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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hey to all the great ricer owners here. I'm 17 years old with a pearl white '92 3000GT VR4 5-speed in perfect condition, K&N intake, borla exhaughst and of course a nice system. A sony CDX-C780 deck, 400watt alpine amp pushin a 10"polk db sub. Who needs larger subs when it shakes your rearview mirror off =\ Insurance for me is a remarkable $120 per month (both my parents have clean records, car is under my fathers name) I'm in the process of purchasing some 5 spoke 18" rims and maybe 1.5" drop on the suspension (the wheelwells are so large it makes 17" rims look small) Well i was on the interstate just cruising along and a Ferrari F355 pulled up next to me edging me to race him so what the heck, i dropped it in 2nd at 55 and went to it...unbelievably i kept up with him all the way to 135mph. My g/f was with me screaming the whole time haha, but seriously, was this guy just a terrible driving who couldn't shift a vw beetle correctly or did he just not push it? Lord that exaughst tone coming from him was soo incredible, he had to have been near redline.

Take it slow, James

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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you guys are still bitchen about insurance. I am 16 and i only pay $65 a month but it is under my moms name. I checked what it woukd be if the title wasunder my name. like 6 grand a year!!!!!!

Tanner: 92 r/t TT

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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ok. to the guy who told the other guy if they want speed go for the vr-4 or the Supra tt, and if he doesn't care about speed go for the nsx, you got me lost. Even though the NSX only has 290 compared to the 320 of the VR-4, the NSX is one way faster and than the vr-4. it goes 0-60 in 4.9 compared to the 5.0 of the VR-4 and the 5.2 of the Supra tt. Ok .1 and .23 sec. faster but top end speed is also faster. With two people who way the same, the VR-4 will go 160-170. The Supra TT, 162-172, the NSX 165-180. Remember, the VR-4 is heavy as all hell. The NSX is light as all hell. Two it is also faster than the Supra tt. Infact the NSX was three in out of ten super cars available in the US. And 6 quikest out of 13. And overall it is better than both. The NSX has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better handling than the Supra. It has better handling than the Porche(so says motorweek, autoweek, and many other reviewers). The VR-4 does have the 4 whell driver though that makes it more of an all season car. I own myself a 98 VR-4. I love this car to death. It has been snowing all day here in Jersey, but the 4 wheel drive didn't let me slip once. But personally i would take the NSX anytime. It is just better.

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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ok. to the guy who told the other guy if they want speed go for the vr-4 or the Supra tt, and if he doesn't care about speed go for the nsx, you got me lost. Even though the NSX only has 290 compared to the 320 of the VR-4, the NSX is one way faster and than the vr-4. it goes 0-60 in 4.9 compared to the 5.0 of the VR-4 and the 5.2 of the Supra tt. Ok .1 and .3 sec. faster but top end speed is also faster. With two people who way the same, the VR-4 will go 160-170. The Supra TT, 162-172, the NSX 165-180. Remember, the VR-4 is heavy as all hell. The NSX is light as all hell. Two it is also faster than the Supra tt. Infact the NSX was three in out of ten super cars available in the US. And 6 quikest out of 13. And overall it is better than both. The NSX has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better handling than the Supra. It has better handling than the Porche(so says motorweek, autoweek, and many other reviewers). The VR-4 does have the 4 whell driver though that makes it more of an all season car. I own myself a 98 VR-4. I love this car to death. It has been snowing all day here in Jersey, but the 4 wheel drive didn't let me slip once. But personally i would take the NSX anytime. It is just better.

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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NSX vs VR4 vs MKIV

I love it when people say "the NSX does 0-60 in 12.134324123 seconds". People spend too much time with their noses in the magazines and not enough time out on the track. All of the aforementioned cars haven't been that fast to 60 or in the quarter that I"VE seen. Truth is..you can quote times from magazines all you want but where it counts is when that nice new (enter your favorite rival sports car here) pulls up next to you and the light turns green (or you see a few yellows followed by a green). When my car was stock I bested a few Supra's...VR4's...and NSX's...why? Mainly because I knew how to drive/shift where as the "elderly/mama's boy with new toy" grinds and hacks his way through the gears :) Bottom line...the Supra TT..VR4 and NSX are all on the same performance rating in everday drag races from stop light to stop light ...all you have to do is decide on how much and what color :)

Date:: 20 Jan 2000

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Marc,

Thanks for the SUV info. We've narrowed it down to 2 SUV's: either a Ford Expedition or a GMC Yukon. Both trucks, with all options, are in the mid-$30,000 range. My wife likes the interior of the Expedition better. I am personally more of a GM guy when it comes to trucks. The Yukon has a silky smooth ride, and the newly redesigned 2000 bodystyle looks sweet in my opinion. I found out that the Yukon also has more horsepower and torque than the Expedition's engines.

I don't have any recent war stories. The last car I messed around with was an LS1 Camaro, but that was a couple of weeks ago. We raced each other to a merge and I barely won. Not too exciting. We only got up to about 95. I've been wanting to race a Corvette C5 but I haven't gotten the opportunity yet. I think it would probably be a pretty close race. More war stories to come...

Neil - 1997 black VR4

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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to anyone who knows how to power a vr4,

I own a 92 vr4 and i'm a senior in high school. i know, lucky lucky me. anyways i wanna get about 50 extra hp out of my car to get the edge on this one camaro at school. i want to be the fastest. well you see my income is not that high. whats the cheapest/easiest way to get about 50 extra hp out of my car so i can get the extra acceleration?

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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Hey guys I have a 94 VR4 and I'm disappointed with the performance of the car. I love the car to death but after I raced my friend's new 98 Supra Turbo, I was thinking of saving some money and trade it to a Supra or a 1992 NSX. I'm a decent stick shift driver, not the best, but my car couldn't seem to edge on him. I know that our VR4s are 400-500 lbs. heavier than the other sports cars in our class. My car has a new Borla exhaust in it, K&N filter, and I even took off my back seats and spare tire to lighten it up. But all those things that I did didn't give the boost that I was hoping to get. I was able to beat Cobras, Z28, 300ZX TT, and some 93-up RX7 Turbo. My past beatings came from a guy with an NSX, my friend with a modified M3, and some C5's. And now I have to include my other friend's Supra Turbo. What's the deal with Supras? They're hella fast. I invested so much money for my VR4 like putting those performance mods, and replacing the front bumper with a Veilside front lip, and I'm f**king pissed right now that I couldn't even dust a stock Supra Turbo. I guess in a few months, it's time to say goodbye to my 3000GT.

Oh I'm 20 and I'm under my Dad's name. He's also the one who pays the insurance that's why I could afford to drive a 3000GT. Our insurance is Nationwide and he pays $250/month.

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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I just got quoted by SateFarm for $845.00 every six months. That's roughly $140.83!!!! Time to change companies!!!

Marv's Base Sleeper (in making :)

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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MARV:

are you firmilar with jay yusons chop-top civic? that's some of gude performance work. i'm in san diego. but gude performance is about 45 min to a hour north of me. i'll have contact info for you by monday. or you can hit his web site "www.gude.com" or "www.gudeperformance.com"

ROOM:

before my cooling system broke down i beat a supra tt w/ a hks intake d.pipe and exhaust. why? he couldn't handle his car. knowing how to drive my car is why he got smobbed on. the best mod to any car is driving skills. if you had a 600hp car the weighed 3000lbs and didn't know the correct shift points in the rpm band, or how to launch your car, i bet a weak as civic could tap that ass. my ex- in her probe his dusted 5.0's, civic's and camero's. she only has 200hp at the wheels but she had the car dyno'd to get the correct shift points, and she's taking classes at driving schools. bottom line learn how to drive your car or take a bus. also my engine is going to cost around $5500. but keep in mind it'll be honed and coated w/ ceramics. i probaly won't blow my engine, the gas mileage will improve the emissions will burn cleaner, and it'll run cooler. all at 12psi while looking stock. and if i get a pulley and k+n installed at the same time i'll go over 400hp. not to bad huh? is anyone else in san diego? i would like to start a vr4/rt3 club. if we were a dominant force in the race scene we all would have cheaper better parts for out cars. hks is the only company that has an extensive line of mods for out cars. that's minus head gaskets. but damn near everything else. by the way i just got my hood graphic from francis at award masters. it's a clear batman logo that at certain angles of light is light yellow. sick ain't it. so everybody keep smashing. and supra smoking. i'll have my car back in early march. oh, and is anyone going on the super street tour this year.

-NINO(livinglifehighspeed)

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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I have a '94 Base and am getting about 265HP out of it right now. I can do 0-60 in about 6.1 (on my G-Tech) and am expecting to break into the 14's when next race seasong starts at the track. I've put about $12K into it so far but the majority of it was in cosmetics (racing stripes, 18" Chrome, 600W stereo w/ 2 12") but I do have the essentials done to the engine, and maybe a little more.

Someone was talking about their base making 380 or 420 HP w/ NOS. I don't want to add NOS but what else did you have done to the car? What gave you the biggest boost.

So far I have a K/N FIPK, BB Throttle Body, Custom exhaust, Jacob's 8.5mm plug wires, paxton Fuel Pressure Reg., and an Apex SuperAFC so that I can control air/fuel ratios (prep. for future mods).

These are the engine mods that I have and I was thinking of getting maybe either a G-force ECU or getting a TEC-II or another brand of aftermarket ECU or Ignition control. Does anybody know what kind of results can be expected from any of the brands?

Keep us all posted on the SuperCharger Kit, I will be the first on the waiting list! (Thank God for credit cards! $3500 YIKES)

BTW, I live in Bay Area, CA; married, no tickets and I pay about $110 /mo for Mercury Insurance. When I first bought the car in '96, I was single w/ no tickets and was 18 years old and I paid $380 /mo ($5000 /yr.)!

Jason, '94 GTO

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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To the guy with the 94 VR4:

Did you disconnect your battery before you added the exhaust and K&N filter? The reason I ask is because that was my first modification and I only noticed a small increase in performance as well. The ECU needs to reset it air/fuel ratios for the modifications. Disconnecting the battery for at least 20 minutes will reset the ECU then it will set new ratios for the mods. Once I did this, performance was better, not spectacular but better. With the DBSC, downpipe, K&N FIPK, Borlas and gapped plugs, I'm running 13.2@108mph+, which is lousy but more than enough to take a stock Supra TT. There are guys with the same mods I have that are running high 12's at 110+ which doesn't make me look good but I'm not doing 5500rpm dumps either. Also consider that the Supra TT has a much better fuel pump, fuel injectors and exhaust system than our cars. Supra TT's are beefed up internally and sold as stock equipment. Our cars are just waiting to be let loose, there are a ton of restrictive parts on the VR4/Stealth TT. Air filter, exhaust, fuel injectors, fuel pump, turbos, etc. Upgrading those parts will turn your VR4/SthTT into a beast without loosing drivability and it won't cost you a fortune.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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TC,

I have to agree with you. Most cars like the VR4, Supra, 300z etc. are "roughly" similar performers.

The truth is that it takes a lot more (whatever) hp torque, aerodynamice etc. to make one of these cars faster than the other. I have never race a car with similar charactistics to my VR4 and won by a long shot or lost by one. If this happens to anyone I have a two-part response. First, your not as good of a driver as those guys on the track who really make a stock car (whatever kind you like) perform. Second, the other guy may have an incredible advantage/disadvantage in comparison to your car.

People who compare VR4s to Supras or Vipers to 911 turbos are fucking idiots. They all have one thing in common; they are part of an elite category of production cars offered to the every day driver. That category is called "sports cars," and any one of they can out perform any other category of production cars.

So what the hell are all you no-minds debating. Do you see Stock car drivers bragging about their cars NOOOOOOO! They are supposedly all matched! No they spend their time bragging or polishing up on their Driving skills. The true winner will "usually" be the better driver. Except, of course, when you have an unmatched drag race. ( I can just envision the remarks some of you retards are conjuring up).

Here's a perfect example. If you were driving a 500Sl and someone in an 89 Grand-Am with the quad 4 engine pulled up to you, would even give him a second look? No. To enforce my above statements, that guy gave me more looks than most, because I had enough power in that Grand Am to OUT-DRIVE that 500sl. Sure I would have lost in a straight line, but how triumphant is that - that's physically impossible. The greater thrill was watching that ass struggle in his 80k car as he tried to destroy me in a road race without ever knowing how to drive. I'm sure the blonde in his passenger seat was thinking "this guy can't even beat that stupid Pontiac!"

So, if you want to come on line and blow smoke up our ass, that's your first amendment right, but I think you all should save yourself the embarassment.

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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To James (the guy that raced the F355):

With the K&N and Borla you've got an extra 20 to 25 extra horses. The guy probably wasn't the best driver in the world. So it's not totally surprising that you stayed with him. BTW, people who are considered 'Rice Boyz' are guys/gals who try to make their car LOOK fast. The people on this discussion board actually have fast cars, not ones that just look fast.

Okay that was me telling the other guy to get the VR-4 or Supra TT if they want speed and get the NSX for looks. Sorry, I should have clarified my point. Yes, you're correct the NSX is faster because of the light weight. But the VR-4 and Supra TT can be modified with very little money to destroy an NSX or almost anything else on the road. An NSX costs $80K, the VR4/Supra TT cost around $45K with about $10K in mods you can get these cars above 450HP (more than makes up for the weight disadvantage).

Actually regarding the performance of the Supra TT compared to the VR4/TT. Stock vs stock the Supra will outperform us (assuming equal drivers). They even get better skidpad results, .95gs compared to our .92gs. The weight of our cars' doesn't help.

To TC:

Yes you're correct a lot of us, even I'm guilty of this, 'magazine race'. But you have to understand depending on where you live we don't see a lot of these cars. If we do it's usually driven by on older man and they don't want to race. For example around my area we only have 3 MKIVs, and around 10 NSXs.

To the guy with the 94 VR-4 who is disappointed in the performance:

Sorry to tell you but even with the two mods you have listed (K&N and borla exhaust) you will not edge the Supra TT (assuming he is an equal driver). Sorry to state the obvious. A lot of you have to understand that, eventhough the Supra is rated the same HP and torque as a 2nd/3rd gen VR4/TT it's lighter and has better internal equipment. Better fuel pump, bigger injectors (550cc compared to our 360cc), better exhaust, and less driveline loss. The AWD on our cars' consumes more HP than a RWD car.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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hey everyone

im a newbie to these pages and this forum. i recently bought a 92 3kgt vr-4. I cant believe how much i got it for, way below retail for a 92 according to KBB. the dealer said he'd part with it for 10200 and i couldnt pass it up. It's the rare blue color ,i dont know the actual name for it, but for reference its the color of links on this page. it has active aero spoiler but only the front part works. i believe one of the parts on the inside of the spoiler is jammed. the motor for it works fine because i can hear it. i want to have it fixed but i dont want to take it to a mitsu mech because they charge out the ass. i was wonderin if other non-mitsu mechs would know how to fix it. i just had my system put in which consists of 2 pioneer tweeters, 2 6 1/2 inch pioneer door speakers, 1 12 inch pioneer premier sub, a 6 disc sony mini-disc changer, a pioneer 2 x 400 watt amp, and a sony cd receiver to control everything. it cost me out the ass to have it installed because it took them 3 days to get everything installed. the guy who installed it said it was one of the hardest jobs he's ever had because the car is very well built (that part made me proud). oh btw, im 16, no tickets no accidents and i pay 190 a month. i was also wondering if anyone knows what mods you have to report to your insurance. ive heard that exhaust and air filter mods dont have to be reported but i dont know.

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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Blue vr-4: How many miles and what condition? A 16 yr old with $10,000?????

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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hi this is the 92 blue vr-4. it has 78000 miles and is in excellent condition. i might need to have the timing belt looked at because ive heard it starts to get worn around that many miles. about the cash half of it was inheritance and the other half is from a car fund my dad set up for me when i was about 5. how much hp does a stock vr-4 have or is rated for? anyone know about having to report air filters and/or exhaust?

Ryan 92 Blue VR-4

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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Hey guys,

I have a problem and I'm sure most of you 3KGT & Stealth owners have it too. I need help on fixing the cracked air vents on the dash board. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership and it cost $150.00 to fix both side. I tried to glue it down and it didn't work. Maybe it was just the type of glue I was using. Anyway, if some one has a solution please post it up. Thanks!

John '95 VR-4

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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Ryan, The timing belt is a bad thing to go. It should have been replaced at the 60k tuneup. Stock your VR-4 puts out 300hp with a psi of 9.5. A good upgrade for you would be a boost controller so you can take the psi up to 14.5 adding about 60hp!

Date:: 21 Jan 2000

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hey guys, I have a question for all with boost controllers. how much boost can the engen handle. I would love to invest in one but I don't want to worry about the engin(which is all stock). right now the car is in the shop getting the timing belt changed, spark plugs, and new lifters 3 of them where knocking. I also got a k$n air filter. Another qustion is what does the Firehawks with the LS1 engin run in the 1/4 mile? he was talking smack on my car. unfortunatly i didnt have it.

Tanner:92 R\T TT

Date:: 22 Jan 2000

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Ryan

Congrates on your new buy! That's a pretty good buy. I was just wondering if you had someone with good mechanical background look at the car before you bought it. The reason I asked is because about four years ago my brother bought an eight year old British Sterling car with 65,000 miles for about $5,000 and he thought he had just found the deal of a lifetime. Everything in the car looked good, but the steering wheel and the automatic shifter were are torn and worn out. A week later...he took it to DEQ and they told him that that car's milage doesn't match up to what its record says. The last time that car had a DEQ, the milage was registered in well over 150,000 miles. He took it back to the dealership and somehow got his money back. Two years later ('97)he bought a '92 3KGT VR4 with 60,000 miles for only $12,000. Now I think that's a deal. Once again we kind of question the milage, but nothing in this car seemed worn out. The clutch was really hard, but all VR4's my brother and I have driven has a hard clutch.

Have fun with it!

John '95 VR-4

Date:: 22 Jan 2000

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wtf is a DEQ?

Date:: 22 Jan 2000

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Tanner: If the guy with the LS1 has a well broken in engine and is a decent/good driver the car is CAPABLE of low 13's/high 12's on a good night with good driver...however given an average driver...it'd probably post high 13's low 14's :) All the above is assuming that the Firechicken is stock.

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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I have a 94 3000GT SL and I think I have a problem. About once a month, I have to refill the fluid in the clutch resivoir. The problem is that i have no leaks under the car. Is it possible I'm burning it somehow? As with everything else I've had to do, I'm sure it will cost me some BUCKS!

If anyone has any information for me, I would sure appreciate it.

David

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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To Tanner:92 R\T TT:

The engine can handle up to 14.5psi. More then that you have to upgrade the fuel pump. Oh, if you increase the boost, make sure you get an after- market boost gauge. Our stock gauge is very inaccurate. The (stock) boost gauge doesn't actually measure the boost (it has no vacuum hose), it uses the RPM and some other measurements from the ECU.

To Ryan,

You don't have to report any mods to the insurance company. That's why a lot of people purchase Civics and mod. them. The insurance rates are a lot lower.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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About 90% of my road races are against punks with Jap cars who are constantly trying to prove that their weak Jap-mobiles can out-perform American sports cars. I have raced the best that Japan sends over here---NSX's, Supra's, RX7's, etc---and I have never lost to one of them. I rarely get challenged to race by fellow American car owners we all have respect for each other, or at least most of us do. So on an ending note, you punks can dump your life-savings into your engines, and you still won't be able to beat me.

Jason--Supercharged 98 Firebird with 500 RWHP

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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Good point. But if you have someone with the same egaul skill, the NSX is faster than the VR-4 and the Supra. But if you have two guys who one is more heavy than the other, and onew has better skill than the other, then it's up tho the driver. The VR-4 is somewhat of a disappointment. With 320 hp and an AWD, this car should kick and cars ass in its class, and even be some good comp to a Vette. But since it weighs as much as an Elephant, its performance is suffered a lot. Its 0-60 time can be much better,its 1/4 mile time and speed could be much better, and its top speed could be better. But for a car that wieghs more than than 3600, it has good performance. Its too bad they stopped making the 3000gt. It's joined the sport car graveyard(3000zx, RX-7, Supra, and a few others)

But supposidly it's going to be made again in 3 years. Completly redesigned, more power, and lighter, and faster. But this is a rumor. I pray that it's not.

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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Jason: You are so ignorant, the only american cars(stock) that can beat a VR-4 are the vipers and some vettes. Most Supras would beat vettes. And looks, the 3000GT is WAY better looking than any rustang, f-body, ect. Try driving your firebird in the snow. Oh and my the way, my brother has a z28 and I have a VR-4. We have raced many times and he has never won!

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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Jason: You are so ignorant, the only american cars(stock) that can beat a VR-4 are the vipers and some vettes. Most Supras would beat vettes. And looks, the 3000GT is WAY better looking than any rustang, f-body, ect. Try driving your firebird in the snow. Oh and by theway, my brother has a z28 and I have a VR-4. We have raced many times and he has never won!

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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Heh..the only American vehicles that can beat a VR4 is a Vette or Viper? :)

Hmmm...howabout.. GMC Syclone Buick GN Saleen S381(yeah yeah it's expensive but still american stuff) Anything with the aluminum LS1 in it :) ETC ETC....hmm...ignorance...anyone ever heard the phrase "kettle calling the pot black" :)

TC PS Jason...500RWP is a good start...but thats hardly the end be all firebird...please indulge me and list your mods on your firebird ;)

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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DEQ = Depatment of Environmental Quality

If you still don't know.......it's that place where you test your car for new plate stickers!

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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Hey Jason, you're such a dumbass. Of course any stock VR-4s, Supras, & NSX won't win with your 500HP piece of shit. Too bad you have to modify your Firebird just to make it a muscle car. But not for our cars. Our cars are fast the way they are. 2 Firebirds equals 1 VR-4. Firebirds are so shitty looking. You're just jealous coz' our cars are way better than yours. Poor baby. VR-4s are classy cars, but Firebirds, Junkstangs, and Camaros are all piece of crap.

Another thing, you Supra owners coming here and bad mouthing the VR-4. You guys are bunch of braggers. I know that stock vs. stock, Supras will out run the VR-4s. I have a lot of respect for the Supra, so you Supra owners show some class and do the same thing to the VR-4.

96 VR-4 with Veilside body kit

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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96 VR-4 with Veilside body kit

Date:: 23 Jan 2000

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1/4 mile times: VR-4 13.6 GMC Syclone 13.9 Saleen runs 13.0 at $60,000; with 15k+ of mods the VR-4 would be in the 11s. BGN is ok for driving in a straight line buts thats about it. sorry hicks, the 3000GT is for real.

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Neil,

A friend of mine has a 99 Expedition, and he complains that its really top heavy... says it just wants to roll on its side and die when taking a turn. I guess thats a safety issue to look at if you're looking at the two. Anyways congrats on the new family member.

Bryan K. - 91' Stealth ES

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Okay, I'm not very knowledgeable on cars (well I am starting to be), but I live by Chicago, and I do go to Chicago often to party and etc. There is a place kind of in the darker place of Chicago by China town, where there are (illegal) street drag races, and almost all the cars that win there, are Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 (most of them have mod.). There are also stock car races, and I can tell you, it's always that it's a VR4 that wins. These people race for some serious money, I’m talking $10,000 per race.

I wouldn't compare a V6 to a V8, it's totally different story. I like the V6 engines, they're economic and fast enough for me engines. I got this generalization against American cars such as vettes, firebirds, and mustangs especially (rust buckets); they're just pieces of shit. I mean, just look at Japanese and German cars. Japanese can make much better cars, and do, but the thing is, if they made these cars in US, then American car companies would go down the toilet. Notice: Subaru Impreza WRX (How long would Ford Expedition last in a rally race? That’s 1.4 sec. First ditch is a killer for any off road, Impreza smokes 90 mpg trough most of the race like that), Nissan Skyline GTS (we all know Skyline, it’s fast and fast again!), real Honda NSX (yep, this car is tiny bit different that the Acura NSX that’s in US, it’s actually faster), and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (280 hp with a TT? I4 engine, perfectly weighted out, can beat most cars both on road and off road). These cars are actually widely available everywhere but US and perfect examples of great engineering.

Mitsubishi 3000GT is not one of them perfect cars, but it’s good enough for me. That’s why I will buy one soon. It’s much more sexy than Mustang, or Corvette, or Camaro (yuck), and Firebird (I like that car, it’s preety good and unique). For the money, it doesn’t eat fuel soo much, and handles great.

- Z

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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OK listen up all you fuckin dicks!! A Vette can and will kill any stock Japan sport car. Some asshole said that a supra can beat a Vette!! YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKIN KIDDING!!! THE SUPRA DOES A 1/4 MILE IN 10.3-.5 SECS IF NOT MORE. A VETTE, IT'S IN THE 12'S. 0-60 IN 4.7. AND IF YOUR A REALLY GOOD DRIVER, AMYBE BETTER. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE AN ASS, WELL I CAN BE TOO. NO, LET ME REPEAT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JAPAN SPORTS CAR IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM, IS BETTER THAN A VIPER. NOT IN PERFORMANCE, LOOKS, OR ANYTHING BUT PRICE. AND NO SHITLINE GT-R, VR-4, 300ZX, RX-7 CAN COMPARE TO THE LOOKS OF A VIPER. THE VIPER IS FAST EVEN WHEN IT'S STILL. THE BEST JAPN SPORTS CAR IS THE NSX, BUT THAT ISN'T BETER THAN ANY AMERICAN SPORTS CAR. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OVERHEATING, OR ANY TURBO SHIT PROBLEMS LIKE YOU DO.THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS NEED TURBO. EVEN THOUGH YOUR N/A'S PUT OUT ABOUT 220 OR SO, GO AHEAD AND TURBOCHARGE A VETTE, OR EVEN A VIPER. IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR. IT'S NOT EVEN NOW.

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

PROUD OWNER OF A 98 VR-4 AND 99 MUSTANG GT(TUNED TO 465HP)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

PROUD OWNER OF A 98 VR-4 AND 99 MUSTANG GT(TUNED TO 465HP)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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LOL I'm bout ready to give up on this board..just more bench racing :) First of all I've never seen a VR4 run better than a 14...I see Syclones post mid 13's stock all the time when visitin TAD(Temple Academy Dragway) No magazine times there folks :P Also the Saleen is faster...yeah I said it was expensive but the VR4 owner didn't specify... :) And I thought we were talkin about drag racing...so what if the GN can't take turns very well...a Civic can be made to handle better than a VR4 for VERY cheap....who cares? :)

Oh and to the guy that said all Camaro's are junk...you must have been sucking on my exhaust fumes too much...blurred vision is the first symptom of ignorance.

Try'n to have a decent conversation amongst children.

PS I drive a mildy modded 96 Z28 :)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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A STOCK VETTE RUNS 13s, SORRY IDIOT.

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Research a lil before you call someone an idiot :) GMHTP ran 12's in their stock Vette...as did MM&FF's...a FORD magazine ran 12's in their Vette as well. They are usually low 13 second cars..but CAN BE 12 second monsters with a few good shifts :)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Hmm, you know what? You need some balls reattached, you're probably some redneck, living somewhere in the bumbles and is a proud member of KKK. Anyways, Corvette is a good car, but it's a very low tech and has almost 2x bigger engine. What are you comparing? If you do some calculations, then you can see that 3000GT is a way better car, just check the ratio of fuel both cars use. If you compare a stock Vette and 3000GT VR4 then yes, Vette has more power, and torque. Vette has better numbers, but I did see few races here and there, and VR4 won easily with an automatic transition Vette and so is safe to assume these cars are pretty closely matched (talking about stock cars). Automatic Vette will definitely loose, but a stick, with a good driver, well, probably not. Also because of the 4WD, Vette will be smoked (no doubt about it) by 3000GT VR4 on any turn. As far as the thing about Japanese cars, well, you Americans better do some reading about Japanese cars; there are a lot of them out there that will smoke any American car. I also agree that companies like Ford would totally be out of business if Honda, Nissan, or Mitsubishi started selling in US the cars they sell now in Japan. Not only are they more economic, but dirt-cheap. Also, if you do some mod. to your car, then it’s just not the same car anymore! Another thing... most European cars are fast, economic, and better looking than any American car. So, kiss my ass Jersey redneck!!!

- Chris (proud owner of Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, BMW M5, and rally racer Subaru Impreza 2.2L with 340 hp)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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American cars??? How about you bring any of your best "American Cars" and I'll bring my Lotec 1000, so, anyone for a race? All I need to do is up turbo into it, and then I'll smoke a McLauren too.

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Lotec 1000? :) Ford GT90 :)

Next..? :)

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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I'm usually on 3si, and decided to read some of these posts. I just wanted to share everyone my unbiased opinion. I think both American and Japanese have great cars, but we have to realize that Japanese cars are built to appeal to the consumers in Japan. People in Japan like high revving 4 cylinders, they also like turbocharged engines. They build these cars so that people in Japan will buy them, and they build them to compete within their own domestic market. I think most of you know this, but for those who don't, production cars in Japan can't exceed 280hp. So Japanese manufacturers do not try to maximize horsepower, but rather to make the car more refined, lightweight, and a better torque/power curve. Hence Japanese manufacturers have a clear disadvantages. They are bounded by these rule and regulations. We here in the US don't have horsepower restrictions. Most cars here are built for people who just like high displacement raw unadulterated power. I feel that cars should be compared with other cars in the same class. Car mags compares the viper to ferraris, whereas the VR-4 is compared to M3s, Supras, and corvettes. Since this is an international message board I guess its okay if I talk about how we compare cars in Japan. We compare cars with the same drive train configuration, a 300ZX would be compared to a Supra or RX-7. The 3000GT would be compared to a skyline, but in Japan the 3000T is regarded as a luxury sports coupe rather than a sports car. The Lancer EVO is considered to be Mitsu's sports car, which is constantly compared to the impreze WRX. There are a lot of people out there who buy Japanese cars because of "status", although I'm not one of them, I know there are a lot of these people out there. I know a guy who was going to get a C5 Vette, but decided to get a '99 VR-4 just because it was more expensive. NSX is a great car, one of my favortites, it might be a really good performing car when it first came out, but in the year 2000 there are a lot of cars that will beat it that is half the price. Many people buy it because of its engineering, but let me tell you, 8/10 people will buy it because of the image of driving an $88,000 car. Back to the 280hp restriction, eventhough the NSX isn't that great of a car anymore, it is still king in Japan (some might argue Skyline). Think from this persective, what happens if the US implemented the same rules and regulations that Japan has? The C5 will have 280hp, the viper 280hp, Camaros, Mustangs, all with 280hp. This is the mindset of US manufacturers "more power!!!", for japanese manufacturers,"how can we generate 280hp in the most efficient way possible? Note that what I just said is only for production (stock unmodified) cars only. Hence, IMHO, American and Japanese cars are on 2 distinctive playing fields competing in the same market. If someone wants to argue what sports car is better, I will say they are all good in its own respect. If you ask me which manufacturers are the best, then I will tell you to watch formula 1 racing, the only time when manufacturers can show off ALL their technology and horsepower prowess. (I know VR-4s here have 320hp, and GS400 etc has 300hp, but the VR-4 was developed with the 280hp constraint, and cars like the GS400 was built to appeal to American consumers (hence the V8). For those who don't know, GS400's Japanese counterpart, the Aristo, is a twinturbo V-6).

This post is my unbiased opinion and only applys to stock production vehicles.

RyRy

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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RyRy,

Great perspective! It makes since to me that if Mitsubishi or anyone else wanted to build a sports car, they wouldn't load it with so many techno goodies like the VR4. Folks, the VR4 is a luxury GT, not a sports car. Mitsubishi doesn't label it as a sports car and they made the thing, why should we? Sure, the VR4 can hang and sometimes beat some of the sports/pony/muscle cars out here today, hell its' got 320 horsepower! I wanted a luxury coupe with lots of speed and can drive it in any type of weather. The latter eliminates all the American sports cars and damn near all of the foreign cars, no offense but if you own one you know what I'm talking about. So, I got the VR4 and thought it was pretty quick but not fast. So, I recently invested $1500 in it and now it's running damn near 13 flat in the quarter, even with lousy 2-second 0-30's. Much better! Now my car has a power to weight ratio of a Vette and guess what, T/A's, Cobra's, Camaro SS are looking at my a$$ now. I'm 100% sure there's a Cobra, Vette, T/A out there that could rip me a new one and I'm fine with that, you can't be faster than everyone. American sports cars are good cars and getting better. The cars are not the problem, it's the people who drive them that have the problem.

P.S. - If that last statement pissed you off, then you're probably one of them.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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To correct the last statement from my post, SOME of the people who drive American sports cars have a problem.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 24 Jan 2000

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Japanese cars, American cars.......they're all the same. They're both cars. I used to drive a 93 VR-4 and I sold it to my brother-in-law. It's a nice car though. From now on, when it comes to car, I'll always go with the NAME. Same thing with my friend when he bought a Porsche Boxster. He bought it because the car is a Porsche. I'm not a big fan of racing. So what if another guy has a faster car than mine. All I know is that if we're both going in the same direction, he'll just get there faster than me. And another thing I'm from New York and you guys know how New York traffic is, it's terrible. I sold my VR-4 in order to get my new Lexus GS400. I bought the car because it's a Lexus. My cousin is also about to buy a BMW M5. I think sports cars are not that hot anymore. During the late 90s, most people prefer SUVs, and I think for the new millenium, sports sedan is the thing.

Shawn 1999 Lexus GS400

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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RyRy,

That was one of the most intelligent posts i've ever seen on this board. A car is a car and they all do diffent things. They are all used for different things and no car is truly better than any other car. A Diablo will beat a Toyota Echo with a 5 mile handicap, but the diablo isnt gonna be a daily driver for two weeks on the same tank of regular gasoline, a driver, three passengers and a few things in the trunk for a few hundred thousand miles (and a few hundred thou less too $$$).

On a lighter note, i was on my way to the car wash to get all the salt off my car. On the way this prelude zipped past me and changed into my lane. I saw the eyes looking back at me through the rearview so i sped up and pulled next to her. We looked at each other but i dont know if she saw me smile through my tint. I pulled in front of her and eyed her through my rearview - damn she was cute. She got into the left lane and pulled up next to me again. I got behind her because i had to make a left to get to the carwash. She got into the turn lane and i laughed to myself, "that'd be pretty phat if she was goin to the carwash too." To my pleasant surprise she turned into the carwash place right in front of me. "This is too good" i said to myself. While waiting for our cars we got to talkin and this weekend we're gonna hang out. Good shit =) Its funny cuz i usually dont talk cars to girls (#1 fastest way to bore them) but she started talking cars to me. Nothing really technical, but she had her opinions and what not.(IE: The mustang styling is ugly, its hood and door scoops are fake....i saw this kid the other day with this ridiculous Civic all riced out.) Ah man.....Take it easy guys.

ROB 94 SL, a brand new McLaren F1, 3 Diablos, a new Modena, 2 MR2 turbos, an M5, camaro SS, a Bently, 1 hardtop and 1 droptop C5,an NSX, smuggled Skyline, smuggled Lancer, a Hummer with a machine gun mounted on the bed, and some serious daydreaming.

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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I own a 91 stealth TT, bought it from a friend for $4900. I put NGK plat. plugs and ACCELL 300+ racing wires, in general tuned it up. I got in 3 races in one day. On the way to work I raced my buddy in his 89 3.8ltr turbo Trans/Am. At lunch a 97 3000gt SL. On the way home a new Dakota 5.9ltr R/T. The most trouble was my friends T/A. That was a great day. Gus sends// 91TT

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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Hey anybody wanna buy? - Mitsubishi 3000GT - 1995; Hollywood, Florida

Price: $19,900.00 Mileage: 79,500 miles Combination Sale Type: By Owner

Category: Two-Door Coupe Color: Other Condition: Used Engine Type: Features: Classic, Sunroof, Anti-Lock Brakes, Alarm, Power Windows, Power Locks, Premium Sound, Airbags, One Owner, Air Conditioning

Description: VR4 Twin Turbo, 320 HP plus another 25 HP for installed FIPK & other slight mod. I have followed these cars since 1991 & this is the only VR4 I'ver ever seen of this "factory special ordered" color. It's a striking beautiful dark red wine color (pearl luster merlot??). Very unique! Everyone loves it and has to take a second look when I drive by. Cream/gray leather interior, 6-speed, 18" factory Mitsubishi wheels, removable sun roof, Infinity sound system including CD changer. One owner (a Corporation) since new. When anything went wrong; it was attended to immediately by Mitsubishi dealer. Cost was not spared. All factory scheduled maintenance performed (and on time). Timing belt replaced at 60K. Transmission & clutch replaced. Brakes replaced. etc etc. Located in Fort Lauderdale Florida. If you're looking for a VR4 which is not your typical red, black, white, etc color; call quick - don't miss out! Won't last!

Contact: george (formerly Yellow VR4) Phone: (954) 232-7171

Email: gbprieto@freewwweb.com

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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SITUATION:

I'm going to have my car modded in the next month to 2 months or so, and I'll be carless for a while. I'm considering buying a motorcycle, and have managed to find a special case buy on a kawasaki ninja ZX-6.

THE STORY:

It turns out the previous owner had the bike repossesed for one reason or another, and it's been sitting in a garage for about a year and a half. It was red, but he painted it black(poorly I might add). It seems to be in good condition, though I haven't heard it cranked yet. The kicker is, it only has 2k miles on it. It's a '97, and the dealer where it's located only wants 3k for it. KBB rates it at about $5500. He alson offered to clean the carbs on it at a discounted price. My question is, should I buy it? Or should I look for something else instead? Please help. I'd hate to be spending money on a bad bike when I could be dumping it into my car. But then again, the price is just so irresistable......

Marvs base sleeper(in making)

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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Marv

Your best bet would be to get into bikes and go onto bike pages like this one BEFORE you get the bike. Although i still probably would have gotten my 94 SL anyway, i really should have gotten more information not only on the cars i wanted but also cars i didnt want. Their upsides and downsides.

In your case you might not have time to get the needed backround so find someone you know who's into bikes. That would be your best bet, although i'm sure some of the more learned guys on the page could definitely be some help.

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 25 Jan 2000

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To shawn w/ the 99' lexus, the thing about the sport sedans becoming the trend, is exactly that. TRENDY. If you bought your car because you like it alot, then props to you. If you bought it because some other guy at the office had a 98 and you had to outdo him, then you are a victim of the TREND. Yech!

To everyone else, I just put $200.00 down on a new hks super dragger catback. Total price is about $700.00. I just wondered if that is comparable to the price of systems in your respective cities. Did I get jacked over? I also just instaled my new k&n FIPK. That thing sounds cool. Now that I have started to mod, it's becoming addictive.

Keep It Real!! Mark T's (tease) 91Vr4

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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I have a 94 Camaro, and I was thinking about trading it in for a 91 3000gt vr4 with 56000 miles on it, for $13,900. Is this a good idea, or should I wait for a newer model with less miles. Also can I put 16 inch rims on it. will they clear the caliper?

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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Is it hard to install a boost controller myself, or should I take it to a mechanic to get it installed?

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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You should probably have a mechaniac install the boost controller

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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MARV:

Whatz up? did you get in touch w/ mr. gude? hopefully you put together a tight ass load. are you gonna bottle feed the car? i heard someone say that's not real horsepower? if i lose to you it dosen't matter if i think you have "real horsepower" now does it?

ROOM:

i notice the domestic guys are here again. i guess w/ the snow and all those 500hp monsters are sitting in the garage or on the net w/out anything else to do but talk. i started off w/ a '90 5.slowashell. but took a corner doing about 15 mph on a slightly damp night and the car spun and tried to flip. plus the fact that mustangs were blowing up left and right in the late '80's took a bit of confidence out of me in the car. plus i like to be different. personally the sickest muscle cars ever built were the typhoon and the typhoon. gn/t-types are one of my many dream cars up there with the nsx and my stealth rt3, but 4wd gives you a confidence that highoutput rwd just can't give. i was thinking about getting a isuzu vehi-cross after my company gets majority ownership. but i hear we may bring back the GRAND NATIONAL(4wd) that would be sick. if either option takes too long i'll be spending endless hours looking for a typhoon to fix-up. cuz my daugther is growing too fast. and getting too smart too quick. well good luck to all you guys in persuit of more speed. when i get my car back i forward dyno and 1320 numbers and a complete list of internal mods and componets. hey, we're all homies in the pursuit of hks (honda killing speed) as well as the ability to blow the other twin turbo competitors out of the fast lane. keep smashing!

Nino "livinlifehighspeed".

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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OK NOW YOU PISSED ME OFF ASSHOLE. FIRST OF ALL O'M NOT EVEN WHITE. I'M PUERTO RICAN. AND GO AHEAD AND START WITH THAT SPIC SHIT GO AHEAD I DARE YOU. SECOND OF ALL, YOU SAID YOU HAVE AN IMPREZZA RALLY CAR. SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU A RACE CAR DRIVER? (BULLSHIT). ANYWAY. EVEN WITH AWD THE CORVETTE, IF YOUR A GOOD DRIVER CAN PULL 0-60 IN THE 4'S NOT 5'S LIKE THE VR-4. THE VR-4 ROCKETS TO 60 AND DIES OUT. IT 1/4 MILE TIME (POPULAR MECHANICS) WAS 101... MPH!! THE VETTE, OVER 110MPH. COME ON!! AWD IN A DRAG RACE ONLY WORKS GOOD IN THE START. THAT'S IT!!!! THERE IS NOOO WAAAAY IN HELL, A VR-4 CAN OUT RUN A VETTE. MAYBE IN 0-60 IF THE VETTE DRIVER SUCKS, BUT EVEN TO THE SHITTIEST DRIVER, THE VETTE WILL, LET ME SAY IT AGAIN, WIIIIIIIIIILLL SNEEK UP BEHIND THE VR-4 AT AROUND 80-100. THE VETTE IS ALSO FASTER, NOT ONLY QUIKER.

THIRD OF ALL, I DO LIVE IN NEW JERSEY, BUT NOT THE CRAKA TOWNS. I LIVE IN JERSEY CITY. SO GO AHEAD AND BRING YOUR BITCH ASS HERE AND SEE IF YOU WON'T GET SHOT.

FORTH, YOU SAID THAT IN JAPAN, THEY HAVE CARS THAT WOUD SMOKE ANY AMERICAN SPORTS CAR? IF YOUR TALKIN STOCK, WHAT FUCKIN JAPAN CAR CAN OUTRUN A VIPER GTS. HUH WHAT TELL ME. ASS. OR HOW ABOUT A HENNESSEY VENOM VIPER 650R(650 LB.FT. TORQUE; 215+MPH;0-60 3.3; 0-100 7.5)

FIFTH,YES THERE ARE LOTS OF EUROPEAN CARS THAT LOOK BETTER AND ARE FASTER THAN AN AMERICAN CAR. SHIT, WHEN YOU HAVE COMPANIES THAT DEVOTE THER ATTENTION TO ONLY SPORT CARS, WELL WHAT THE FUCK YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN ASSHOLE! THEY WILL HAVE A KICK ASS FAST NICE LOOKIN SPORTS CAR!!!! AND BY THE WAY, MITSUBISHI IS A PARTNER OF DODGE, AS WELL AS MERCEDES, AND MCLAREN, AND EVEN NISSAN. DODGE HELPED MAKE THE VR-4'S ENGINE, AND SUSPEN. THEY HELPED MERCEDES WITH THERE FASTEST SUV. THEY ALSO HELPED WITH MCLARENS MCLAREN F1. THE FASTEST ROAD STREET LAGAL PRODUCTION CAR IN THE WORLD. SO DON'T ANYBODY BAD MOUTH DODGE, FORD(CAUSE THE MUSTANG WILL OUTRUN A VR-4) OR CHEVY(CAUSE A CAMAROSS WILL KILL A VR-4 AND DEFINATLY THE VETTE). I DIND'T COME HERE TO CRACK ON THE VR-4. I MEAN FOR FUCK SAKE I OWN ONE!!! BUT I KNOW THE TRUTH. THE VR-4 IS FAST, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT, SHIT WITH 320HP IT BETTER BE. BUT THE VETTE, MUSTANG, CAMARO AND WITH EASE THE VIPER, CAN AND WILL WITH A GOOD DRIVER, BEAT A VR-4. AND AS FOR THE JAPAN SPORTS CARS, NONE IS FASTER THAN A VIPER. SO KEEP DREAMING AND HEY, MAYBE WHEN THE NEW 550HP VIPER GTS-R BECOMES THE NEW VIPER CAR, THEN YOU GUYS CAN TUNE UP YOUR LITTLE 4 CYLINDER, AND V6'S WITH TURBO, AND TRY, TRYYYY TO OUT RUN A N/A 450HP 490LB.FT.TORQUE MONSTER CALLED THE DODGE VIPER GTS. BY THE WAY BMW SUCKS(EXEPT THE M5).

THANK YOU PROUD OWNER OF A 98 VR-4, AND 99 MUSTANG (465HP) VR-4 1/4 MILE IN 13.6 MUSTANG 1/4 MILE IN 13.7 CAMARO SS 1/4 MILE IN 13.3 VIPER(HEHE) 1/4 MILE IN 12 AT 119 MPH. HENESSEY VIPER. 10.75 AT 132MPH.

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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THIRD OF ALL, I DO LIVE IN NEW JERSEY, BUT NOT THE CRAKA TOWNS. I LIVE IN JERSEY CITY. SO GO AHEAD AND BRING YOUR BITCH ASS HERE AND SEE IF YOU WON'T GET SHOT.

THANK YOU PROUD OWNER OF A 98 VR-4, AND 99 MUSTANG (465HP) VR-4 1/4 MILE IN 13.6 MUSTANG 1/4 MILE IN 13.7 CAMARO SS 1/4 MILE IN 13.4 FIREBIRD 1/4 MILE IN 13.2 VIPER(HEHE) 1/4 MILE IN 12 AT 119 MPH. HENESSEY VIPER. 10.75 AT 132MPH.

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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YOU ARE A SERIOUS MORON IF YOU THINK A MUSTANG CAN HANG WITH A VR-4, NOT EVEN A COBRA CAN HANG WITH A VR-4

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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DODGE HAD NO PART IN THE VR-4, THEY MADE THE STEALTH BODY BUT THATS IT

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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To the previous post....

You know, I was really going to answer your long, angry letter with a decent, well thought out reply to all of your opinions( that's right, opinions) on sports-type cars, but unfortunately, in your ranting, you also pissed me off as well. I think I speak for everyone when I say we're not denying that there are much faster cars than a VR-4, or that even certain less expensive cars can hang with a VR-4. Did you even read the earlier post? The well thought out one? You're comparing apples to oranges. Of course a V-8 is going to output more power than a V-6. Let alone a freakin V-10 in some of the euoropean cars. My argument is, why do they need V-8's and V-10's to do what a Japanese company can pull off with a V-6? The japanese are all about fuel economy and overall efficiency. Show me an american car with a V-6 that will outperform a VR-4 stock, then and ONLY then can you justly bad mouth Japanese cars. Anyone of us could have gone out and bought monster cars like vettes and camaros, and being the owner of one, you should know the fuel and maintenance costs on them. Not pretty huh? Let the Japanese make V-8 based performance cars. I guarantee you they'll be running circles around the american ones. More efficiently, economically, and reliably. I'm not badmouthing american cars. I love the Viper GTS, and alomst bought an f-body. But I'd MUCH rather get 20-30 mpg in a mitsu as opposed to, what, 12 in a GTS? The japanes have already proven they make better built cars in the V-6 and 4 banger range. Why do you think their resale value is so high? I'm hispanic myself, and I've yet to see anyone make racial comments about us "Spics" and racing. It's stupid, hotheaded assholes like you that give us regular hispanics a bad name. Next time, THINK before you talk, and you might not look so stupid when your trying to reiterate the WELL KNOWN fact that a V-10 viper will out put more power than a measley V-6 VR-4. Y o pienses que estoy mintiendo cuando digo que soy hispano. Ass.

Marv's sleeper

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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Hello everyone,

Recently I have been looking for a new car, and I managed to come across the 3000GT. Granted I'm not sure which one to get in terms of model. I'll probably eventually end up getting a car in one year. Although I will not buy a car yet, I'm browsing around and trying to keep my options open. My cap is 20k. So, I figure I can as of now, get a 97 or 98 SL if I look hard enough.

Should I wait a little longer than a year for the VR-4s to depreciate and then buy one? I need all of your opinions, since I do not own one.

Or, should I just go ahead and buy a SL and then trade in the SL for a VR-4 when I get some money later?

Of course, I would like to own a VR-4 but the 97-99s are a bit expensive still.

Would I be perfectly happy with a 97-99 SL?

I wouldn't be doing much just going to my classes and then going to work. (college)

Oh another note, if anyone here is an owner of a 3kGT, do you think you guys could give me some names of some insurance companies? I've seen some of you guys for insurance of low 100s and sometimes less. If there are any people out there that are my age (19) PLEASE give some names for the insurance companies. Saving all the money I can helps.

Thank you everyone for your time.

-Ides

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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Will 16 inch chrome rims fit a 91 3000gt vr4.

Date:: 26 Jan 2000

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16s???? Are you crazy

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Not that I'm getting in this argument, but please don't go around saying that Mustangs and Z28's can beat a VR-4. I don't own a VR-4 to be sure of the fact, but I do know that I love beating them (especially mustangs) in my Base non turbo! Granted, it's not as fast as a VR-4, but I've never LOST to a Mustang GT or a Z28. . .Tied with a couple of them, but never lost. I try to leave the Vettes alone though.

Jason '94 GTO

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Hello everyone,

Should I wait a little longer than a year for the VR-4s to depreciate and then buy one? I need all of your opinions, since I do not own one.

Or, should I just go ahead and buy a SL and then trade in the SL for a VR-4 when I get some money later?

Of course, I would like to own a VR-4 but the 97-99s are a bit expensive still.

Would I be perfectly happy with a 97-99 SL?

I wouldn't be doing much just going to my classes and then going to work. (college)

Thank you everyone for your time.

-Ides

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Jason 94GTO

The newer mustangs and camaro z28's CAN and will whip a VR4 (with a competent driver). If you are driving a base and are beatin Mustangs(V6's?) and Camaro Z28's (1980's?) then more power to you..but the newer V8's will stomp on a base 3kgt :) Shoot my 92 RS with 5.0 could hang with Sl's..and it runs 15.9@84mph! :)

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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TC are you stupid? They mustangs are slower than any z28 or vr-4. They are shity cars period.

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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DO ANY ONE OF YOU DUMB-ASSES HAVE A FUCKING WARSTORY OR ARE YOU ALL HOPING THAT YOUR IGNORANCE WILL GET YOU THAT JOB WITH MOTOR TREMD.

TELL ME ABOUT A RACE

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Hey Guys,

Ok Mr "Tell me about your Race", I believe you're the ignorant one. Anyone on this discussion board can pretty much talk about what they want. They don't have to be an ASSHOLE like you to achieve what they want. How about you ask nicely next time, you ignorant prick. Hey, I think there's a trend there... ignorant...hmmm....ignorance; gotta love it.

I think I might have disappointed the guy before me, no war story.. damn

Also, stop the bullshit about mustangs sucking. I personally don't like them but some ppl do so don't go bad mouthing them all the time. You get mad when ppl come on here calling your cars shit, so take a lesson.

Cya, -Drew "Z"

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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TO IDES: TO IDES: TO IDES:

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Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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ok i also don't want to get in the arguement, but the vr-4's engine was helped a lot by the chrysler company. and also , the vr-4 is fast, and very very quick, but how can you say that a vr-4 is quicker than a car hat does a 1/4 mile at over 105mph, when my vr-4 struggles to get to 105 in 1 1/4 mile. i've done lots of testing with my 98 vr-4, and it's fast, but it takes forever to get fast, the mustang cobra, quiker, but as for being faster, i really don't think so. but the ss, that's a different story. and i agree though with the other guy, you simply can't compare a v-10 monster(viper) to a v6 turbo. it's common sense. but no car from japan is better than the nsx(not that nsx-t shit). it's the quickest, fastes, best handling(better handling than a Porche), and beautiful car to ever come out of japan.

as for the vr-4, it's no vette, hell no it's no viper, but

OHHHHHHH HALE THE VR-4!!!!!!!!

(SUP TO ALL MY BORICUAS, AND FELLOW LATIN PARTNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

YELLOW 98 VR-4

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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I was wondering why a 93' vr4 has digital climate control, and a 94' SL doesn't??

....Anyone got an answer?

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Hey what's up guys. I have a war story.

ok i have a 99 custom painted yellow with black stripe vr-4. beautiful. i got a new transmission, clutch, rims, tires, exaust, air filter, dropped the weight to 3575. And a couple of other minor things. I'm running 355HP. i have the GTECH PRO. and according to that, i got 0-60 times of 4.6, and a 1/4 mile of 10.232@111MPH.

so i'm chillin, it's about 11:00, and i'm cruisin at 65mph and i get a light. i see a kick ass Supra. It had a body kick, an obviouse big huge exaust pie, and it was just nice. So i looked at it, and got on with my business listening to DMX.(i'm not a drug dealer. i have a job(computers)). So around here(not to be ment as a racist remark) but there is a lot of Philopinos here with there little Civics, Integras, Celicas, those type of cars. But this guy accuallly had a good SPORT car. SO he looks at me and says nothin.

the light goes green. we both go as normal. but i start going back to 65mph like i was before. So I guess he thought i was racing him. All i see is that car zoom right by me. So naturally i floor it. after a really long time i catch up at about 150MPH. His car is slowly picking up speed. I'm up to 162 when my cars acceleration starts to noticably slow. But i'm ahead of him so i hit the brakes. Back to 65. At the next light i see a car pulled over at the side.

Thank god i stopped. I saw him the next day at the same light at the same time. But he had a Celica. So i asked what happened to his car. He said it overheated and he got pulled over. He got a 275dol ticket. And his car was taken till he pays a fine of 2,000dol. So i said damn. It was my first and lat race. I love this car too much to loose it.

BUT DAMN IT FELT GOOD!!!

99 YELLOW BLACK STRIPE VR-4(355HP)

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Hey what's up guys. I have a war story.

so i'm chillin, it's about 11:00, and i'm cruisin at 65mph and i get a light. i see a kick ass Supra. It had a body kit, an obviouse big huge exaust pipe, and it was just nice. So i looked at it, and got on with my business listening to DMX.(i'm not a drug dealer. i have a job(computers)). So around here(not to be ment as a racist remark) but there is a lot of Philopinos here with there little Civics, Integras, Celicas, those type of cars. But this guy accuallly had a good SPORT car. SO he looks at me and says nothin.

BUT DAMN IT FELT GOOD!!!

99 YELLOW BLACK STRIPE VR-4(355HP)

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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I'd like to point something out to all you VR-4 guys Claiming that you smoke Cammaro SS's and Mustang Cobra's According to Road & Track (March 30, 1999) the VR-4 can't even out run a regular old Mustang GT. Mustang(0-60 5.4sec. and 1/4 mile 14.0sec.) Vs. VR-4(0-60 5.7sec. and 1/4 mile 14.2sec.) Which means beating a Z28 a SS are even a Cobra Is complete B.S. Truth hurts doesn't it, handling & braking honor's also go to the lighter Mustang GT not to Mention a much nicer price Tag on the Mustang $21,395 vs. $45,536. Your VR-4 is more expensive than a Corvette which can completely blow it's door off! So cut the B.S. Cause your either lying are you raced someone who didn't know what the hell he was doing, and don't give me crap about how you can Sup. up you VR-4 and make it faster because there is more after marked add on's for Mustangs than any other kind of car. So anything you can do we can do better. So in the end American Muscle comes through with another clear Victory again. Have a nice Day.

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Road and Track is shit! Look in any Motortrend, they will show that a Mustang runs 14s and a VR-4 runs 13s! Why are you on this board anyways? A stang handles better than a vr-4? Give me a break!

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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No I'm not stupid..the new GT's have posted some decent times around here. I ran against a guy that had just driven from Covert ford (in austin) to TAD in late 99 and he ran a 14.0@102mph with a 2.2 60 :) With a lil more traction a 13 was sure to come out of that lil GT :) So...would you like to rephrase your question or would you rather post anon some more and sling insults like an uninformed 2nd grader? :)

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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To the guy with 355hp lol...are you serious...or do you normally spurt that much BS? :) 10.2@111mph? :) If you knew anything about the 1320 you'd know that time is almost impossible given the mph that is the range of 12.5 ish. Granted the G-tech is "optimistic"(it clocked me at 13.4@110mph when I ran a 13.5@105mph) the tendency to report higher mph (since it takes the ending mph instead of the average over the last couple feet like at a track) only hurts your credibility more :) I'm sure your car looks nice...but no way is it running 10's at 111mph :)

"Take it to the track"

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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Popular science top 13 worlds fastest production cars of 99: #10 VR-4 = 320 HP QM 13.44 #11 Cobra = 320 HP QM 13.55

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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HEY ROOM, I NEED SOME INPUT!!!!!!!!!!!

im driving a 92 VR-4 and i have been noticing that when i am at full acceleration, at 4000 rpm or more, i hear a loud blowing of air from under the hood, and its only when the turbos are at full charge. i am wondering if this sound is normal, or if i have a leak in the ducting system of the turbos. I have a stock car, and i have yet to ever hear the blow off valves that everybody talks about. is this normal too? See i have no other VR-4's to campare this to, as i have the only VR-4 in my city.... but you guys my know if my car is ok. let me know soon, as my car is still under warranty!!!!!!!

Thanks

sizigi~

Date:: 27 Jan 2000

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EVERYONE YOU HAVE TO READ THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the guy who claims vr4's 0-60 is 5.7 seconds. DUMBASS it's 5.3 look anywhere else in the world but your gay ass magazine. besides i know a guy that has a camaro z28. with my vr4 i still blow him away every time we race. he even admits it, u can ask him. oh yah and by the way when u complain at the vr4's hight price, i just wanna know higher price gives you a better quality car. thats why it costs more than the gaystang and homovette. ur right the truth does hurt. besides the camaro's look like shit with their pointy end. looks like their tryin to drill through a rock wall or somethin. and the corvettes don't even have a spoiler on the back. damn i'd hate that. vr4's easily look the hottest don't even complain about that. everytime i drive by someone they all stare at the car like it turns them on. have a nice day SUCKA!!!!

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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I ran over two Bucks on the highway with my 3000GT the bucks rowed to the side of the road but when I got home my babe was even scrathed maybe just a little dented but it helps when your traveling 120mph.

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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One thing that you have to take in consideration with the VR4/Stealth TT. From a standing start, if you take the revs up to about 5K, dump the clutch and shift at the redline through 2nd gear, you're guaranteed a 0-60 no higher than 5.1sec. and the quarter in 13.5 to 13.8. Trap speeds will be in the range of 99 to 102mph. Now, from a standing start, if you just punch it in 1st gear(no revs), 0-60 may be in the 5.5 to 5.7 range, 1/4mile 14 to 14.3 and trap speeds 103-105mph. Some magazines get the revs up high and dump the clutch and others don't and that's partly why you see different times for the mags. As far as the Cobras and Z28's(LS1), I've beaten both while stock and with competent drivers(both are coworkers), however it wasn't by much. The worse I've beaten a Cobra(while stock) is 1 1/2 carlengths and a Z28 by a 1/2 a carlength. It's the AWD off the line that gets the VR4 out in front. If I were to just punch it from a standing start without getting the revs up, the VR4 would lose to both cars, not by much but it would lose. Now that my car has more power(410HP) to compensate for its' heavy weight, I'm beating Z28's by at least 7 carlengths and Cobras by 10. People will argue that I have more power and it's not fair but if you look at my power to weight ratio after the mods, it's the same as a Vette and slightly better than the Cobra or the Z28, so I think that evens things up. I'm heavier, can't get as light as those two cars, so just bump up the power until it equals out. The Viper? Please, the VR4 is a snack for a Viper, stock Vette(C5) would outrun a VR4 with no problem after 60mph. With a competent driver in each car, the VR4 would edge out both cars(Cobra, Z28).

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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Geez, Orlando sucks for races. I get alot of riceboys trying to race me, but hardly worth the effort. I beat an older buick the other day ( hardly a race, I know) but at least it was SOMETHING. Alot of C5's here. Hopefully after my mods I'll be able to take them.

Marv's base sleeper(in making)

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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Wassup guys. I own a 1994 VR4 and a 98 Supra TT. My VR-4 has a few performance mods in it and my Supra TT is totally stock. One day my friend and I decided to race my two cars and find out which one is faster. I drove the Supra and he drove the VR-4. We were on the stop light, he was on the left side and I was on the right lane. As soon as the light turned green, we both floored it, and I could see that the VR-4 was ahead of about 2 cars. When I shifted to 2nd, the VR-4 was just a car ahead of me, and once I shifted to 3rd, I passed him. I was about 3 cars ahead of him and I could see him catching up fast. I shifted to 4th and once I shifted to 5th I was 5 cars ahead of him. On the way home, we decided to go at it again. This time, I drove the VR-4 and he drove the Supra TT. Like the first race, the VR-4 edged the Supra TT by about 1 1/2 car, but after the Supra TTcatched up, he just passed me like I was standing still. This was the first time my VR-4 raced a Supra, and I was surprised on how fast the Supra is. I love the performance of my Supra but I would say that it lacks the styling and technology of my VR-4. Even though the VR-4 is heavier, it's look is an A+. After the winter I'm thinking of putting a Shogun front lip on my VR-4 and might put a Kaze side skirts and rear spoiler. Guys you should see what kind of side skirt Kaze has for the 3000GT. The side skirts they have are like the ones that the Ferrari Testarossa has. The thing is that I have to order it in Japan, but it's worth it though.

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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ok this is in reply to the guy who said i'm bs. look i've never been to a track. i don't have the time to go to any track. is there a tack in new jersey? if there is tell me so i can get more accurate numbers please? thanks

also. VR-4: 0-60 5.0 Mustang Cobra: 0-60 5.4 Camaro SS: 0-60 5.2 but the 1/4 mile time of the vr-4 was only better than the mustang, not he ss. but note that the speed was higher. the VR-4 was only 101.

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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If you're racing someone in the quarter and you do 13.5@106mph and I'm at 13.4@101mph, who made it through the quarter mile mark first? Doesn't matter that your car was faster, I still beat you in the quarter mile. Think about it.

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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Yes I called the BS on you :) You are diggin yourself a bigger and bigger whole :) You claim the VR4 trapped higher than the SS/Cobra...which means it pulls harder on the topend . Ok using that line of reasoning if a stock weight Z28(Fourth gen) traps around 130mph to pull a 10(HIGH 10) then logic(Your logic) would suggest that a VR4 would require more mph....not less...as your 10.2@111mph was stated. The gtech pro is fairly accurate...I don't see it being off by that much unless it's due to severe operator ERROR. Post some REAL times for your car...people will respect you more. I personally prefer the "real world" cars that run low 13's on 93 octane gas and return mpg in the 20's :) That to me is a "street/strip" machine :)

Marc with the 97 VR4 yes you are right about have'n to "rev and dump" the clutch in the VR4's to get any amount of power out of them. I've seen several AWD vehicles perform the same and either a clutch starts smelling funny shortly after or the transfer case goes on vacation for awhile and your stuck with a RWD temporarly :) not very healthy for the car eh? :)

And to all the moron's that keep quote'n magazine times....NOT EVERY CAR IS EXACTLY THE SAME. Jesus people. A VR4 DOES NOT run 0-60 in 5.3 seconds EVERY TIME. Nor does every car run the same. So please stop with the popular mechanics and motor trend times. Sheesh.

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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To 99 Yellow Black Stripe VR4: First I'd like to know how you got the weight down on the car. Did you remove the rear seats, spare, jack etc.. 2nd I think the G-tech E.T. and trap speed for the 1/4 mile is a little off. At 10.32 secs your speed should be higher than that. Can anyone comment on this? Wow 162MPH that's pretty impressive on a public highway (I hope it was on the highway). DMX, huh, what is it with white kids who work on computers, listening to RAP music. I prefer Dr.DRE and it's funny because I work in computers as well?!

To the guy talking about Mustangs and Camaros are faster than VR4s. Obviously you haven't read an article that Popular Mechanics (or is it science) did. The VR4 did the 1/4 mile in 13.6secs@101.9 and 0-60 in 5.0 secs. They tested 13 (I think) sports cars the VR4 came in 10th and the Mustang came in 11th. And a Mustang/Camaro can handle better then a VR4, yeah okay, let's see AWD, independent suspension vs RWD, live rear axle setup. I wonder who will out-handle who? Easy on the crack buddy.

To Marc/Room: This is regarding the weight of our cars'. A person on the Starnet list weighed his 96 Stealth RT/TT (my car is a 95 RT/TT) with a 1/4 tank of gas, the car weighed in at 3680 lbs. That's pretty damn good considering a Supra TT is ~3500 lbs with RWD. So, if you remove the spare, jack, and get lighter rims you can get a VR4 around 3500 lb, which is the same as a Supra TT or Camaro Z28. Now this is only for the 95 and 96 Stealth RT/TTs because they don't have AWS, Active Exhaust, ECS, active aero and automatic climate control (hey, every bit counts).

To TC/Room, I'll have to agree with you 100%. Let's keep it real folks, just because PM can get a 0-60 of 5.0 secs on the VR4 does not mean you can do it or I can do it. Unfortunately I'm quoting from a magazine (above) because I haven't gone to the track yet.

TO ROOM: People can you, please press ENTER when you are typing you responses. It's just a little annoying to have to scroll across the screen to read a message. It seems there's a problem with this editor it doesn't automatically do a carriage return.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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To ROOM:

It's me again, I have to apologize about my previous post regarding the "press ENTER" comment. I guess it's the editor, it's not working correctly, because I pressed enter when I wrote wrote my previous post.

Sorry again.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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Hey pissed off VR-4 guy's I know times will be slightly different in different Mag's but for 45 Grand, and you can't post a better time than a regular Mustang GT come on that's just sad. By the way the numbers are real, and 99 Cobra's do have Independant Rear Suspension Along with Covettes (Jammer Guy). Anyway it doesn't matter because for the price of a VR-4 I could buy a S351 Saleen Mustang(495hp) and run 12.6 in the 1/4 mile show me were its says a stock VR-4 can do that. Have a nice day

Signed "The Mustang Guy", "The B.S. Guy", and "That Guy Up there who must be on Crack"

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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To Mustang Guy: I can also find you a civic that'll do 12.1 in 1/4 mile, what's your point. Isn't the Saleen package an aftermarket performance package? I'm not to familiar with American muscle cars and their aftermarket counterparts.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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That's right TC, you can easily toast a clutch with the "rev and dump" method. With the extra horsepower, I can punch her in 1st and still get the jump.

Unfortunately, I don't have any track numbers for my car when it was stock but slightly modded I'm running consistent 13.2 quarter miles at 108+mph. I did one stopwatch run 0-60 and it 4.8sec. That's without the "rev and dump" method hehehe. When I finally get good with my 0-30ft launches, I'll be in the 12's. I'm satisfied with that.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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~~~WOW~~~

It seems that everyone on this site is too interested in if thier car is faster than the pony cars. Dammit guys, is this some sort of pissing contest? you all get off on picking on Mustangs? What is this? I am asking for some advice on my car here, and everyone is too busy bickering about Mustangs and Camaros. Funny, i don't hear ya all talking crap about how slow the Viper and C5 is... Gee, is it because a stock 3KGT VR-4 can't beat it? OK, guys, why dont' you act like big people, and just be friendly to the kids in here that have Z28's and 5.0's. I know just as well as you do that not all mustangs are slow. A local guy wants to race me in my stock 92 VR-4.. He has a 98 5.0 he's done the rearend, tranny, he has slicks on the rear, has guages all over in that car, and a Paxton supercharger. Do you think im going to race that car? Hell no! I tried a few weeks ago to ask you all on this page how difficult it was to put in a Blitz Dual selanoid boost controller. It might give me an edge on racing this guy.... Well, with all the bickerin in here, NOBODY could tell me how easy or hard it is to put on a boost controller. Oh well. Now i have another problem i posted a while ago...--->i have been noticing that when i am at full acceleration, at 4000 rpm or more, mostly in 1st gear, i hear a loud blowing of air from under the hood, and its only when the turbos are at full charge. i am wondering if this sound is normal, or if i have a leak in the ducting system of the turbos. I have a stock car, and i have yet to ever hear the blow off valves that everybody talks about. is this normal too? See i have no other VR-4's to campare this to, as i have the only VR-4 in my city.... but you guys may know if my car is ok. If you guys can help me, that would be great!

Thanks

sizigi~

Date:: 28 Jan 2000

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Although I perfer American sports cars I can relate to you in the fact that we are both striving to reach the same goal which is performance, although we go about it completely different ways high output V-6's Vs. Big V-8's we have the same idea in mind. Lately (especially since I live in Texas) I'm so sick of seeing nothing but Truck's and SUV's on the road that I welcome the sight of a 3000GT.

Signed "That Mustang Guy again".

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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To sizigi~: Regarding the Blitz DSBC, it all depends how mechanically inclined you are and how comfortable you are working on a car. Why don't you purchase it, read the instructions and if you find it to difficult to install take it to your local modification shop. The loud blow-off of air, is this only happening when you shift? Otherwise If it's occurring at full acceleration it could be a hole in the turbo 'system'. One last question do you have an after- market intake system HKS, or K&N FIPK?

To Mustang Guy: That's exactly what it boils down to. We all know you can make a Civic or a DSM do 11s, 10s and 9s in the 1/4 mile, but that also holds true for American muscle cars. So, nobody can make a blatant remark like, 'My import can kill any American muscle car' or 'My American V8 can kill any little 4 and 6 banger'. Both those statements are untrue.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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I can't help but laugh at you people who have lost all faith in American cars(or never had faith in them in the 1st place). Now that doesn't apply to everybody on this message board, but it applies to most of you. Just the fact alone that your exaust sounds like popping rice is enough to laugh about. But it's even funnier that you chose to pay so much money for a car just because it has allwheel drive and looks like a "wannabe" exotic------OR just because of the fact that, along with the Supra and RX-7, it's the fastest Japanese car in the USA. Give me a break. I spent a total of $28,000 on my new '00 Mustang GT, and that includes every single factory option and a nice list of aftermarket parts:

MSD ignition, Hypertech programmable chip, ceramic-coated headers, catback exaust with highflow cats, highflow air intake, and ultra sticky radials that give me amazing traction.

With just these mods, my car is now doing 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.2 @ 110 MPH, and I'm not even that good of a driver(yet). I haven't been on the skidpad yet but I was able to keep up with an NSX going up a curvy hill at almost 2X the speed limit.

[AND EVEN BETTER, MY EXAUST DOESN'T SOUND LIKE POPPING RICE!]

I'd like to see a brand new Japanese car that can produce those numbers for $28,000. That's right---there isn't one. In a year or so, after I save up another $4,000, I'm going to buy an Eaton supercharger, and then I'll be keeping up with Ferarri Modena's Porsche 911 Turbo's---for $32,000! That's what's so great about the American pony cars. Stop being a bunch of kid racers---buy American and get your money's worth in performance, style, quality, and power potential. But if you want to keep telling yourself that your VR4 is worth the money you paid for it, then just go right ahead and do that.....but you're still wrong :o)

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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Jammer

Sizigi here~~ The loud hissing like sound is basically only in 1st gear, from 4000-7000 rpm. I never have heard the blowoff sound after i shift like i should. However, if i do have a hole in the system, the blowoff valves wouldn't operate, because the excess pressure in the turbo system would just go out the hole, rather than through the valves, right? is this making sense? No, i don't have any aftermarket intake filters yet. And no, im not overly mechanically inclined to work on hi tech jap cars, so i would need to take the car to a mod. shop. However there aren't any shops that i know of around here. Im near Champaign illinois... i will look around for shops, but i dunno~~ Thanks

Sizigi~~~

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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I would like to say that VR-4's are alright but not all that. This is going out to a guy by the name of SMITHOUSE! i willl blow you away in my 88 Accord. With the squeaky brakes and all. If you have the balls HOUSE, lets race. HAHA

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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Whoever made that post about his new Mustang GT is absolutely right. Japanese cars suck!

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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If japanese cars suck so much, then why are you visiting a 3000gt website. I think deep down inside you want a 3000gt vr4. You dont see 3000gt owners visiting your websites, because we are not concerned about what goes on there.

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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The debate over which car is better, Japanese or American, Japanese all day. The debate that my car is faster than yours or vice-versa, both can be made to go faster, both are fast in stock form. The fact that I spent $39K for the car that I wanted, that's not your business anyway. You guys that come in here with your "My American car is faster, my V8 will beat your V6", give it a rest, we've heard all that shit already. Geez, where are the real car enthusiast these days.

As for the guy with the 2000 Mustang, you've got Mazda to thank for the somewhat refined but still crude engine in that car. Ford wasn't and still ain't shit, even with Madza helping them. At least Chevy is going somewhere with the LS1 engine which is far better than Ford's crap. When the US starts putting some real quality parts and engineering into building cars, then they'll become more expensive. The VR4 is NOT a pony car or a muscle car, so I wouldn't even compare it to a Z28 or Mustang. That's like comparing a chrome rim to a plastic hub cap. Compare the Eldorado or Cadillac STS to a VR4. Part for part, that's the best the US has to offer againist it. Their not bad cars and they're also heavy like the VR4 because their LUXURY GT's. You Mustang and Camaro guys have every right to be here at this site but you have nothing to offer or compare here as far as cars go.

Dave's VR4 - K&N FIPK, ATR downpipe, 13G Turbos, 440cc injectors, Walbro fuel pump, Greddy BOV, Apex AVC-R, NGK platinum plugs, GT-Pro Y-pipe 0-60 4.1, 1/4 11.86@ 115.8mph

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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Hey Guys,

Does the Vr4 have adjustable suspension? I believe it does but I wasn't too sure. Does anyone actually use them? I have them on the "Z" but even though there's a BIG difference in how they feel I would rather mess around with the Touring through the corners. =)

Take it easy,

Drew "Z"

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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Hey people, I'm not really as hardcore as some of you, I'm about to buy my first 3000gt. I'm sooo excited, I've always wanted a gt. I'm getting a 93 and some day I would love to race it and Ive been reading and gathering any info I can to help me out, anything you guys want to add would be greatly appreciated. I dont know alot of people with 93's, is there a reason for that? and what should be the first step in squeezing a few more horses out of my car? like I said, anything could help. Thank's guys.

Date:: 29 Jan 2000

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Not that I want to start crap again but a Saleen Mustang is not after market. They are built from the ground up in a small factory located inside a Ford factory and can be bought new from a Ford dealership with a full warrenty. And are reconized by the Federal Government as a production car.

"Mustang Guy"

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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does anyone know the dimensions for the speakers in a 92 3000gt?

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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To the guy with the '00 rustang gt- You actually want us to believe that your gt with a few small mods is faster than a cobra? What planet are you from, and whose broken down mama's stopwatch are you using to get your times? You are so full of crap, it made me laugh out loud when I read your post. Get a life man. BTW, I bought my Vr4 that acctually does 0-60 in 5'0 stock for one third of the price of your car stock. All I had to sacrifice was 60,000 miles. Came with a new clutch and timing belt. Oh, and even though it's a '91, It looks ten times better than your brand new rustang. It all comes down to this, I drive a car with high class and comfort, and you drive a super over charged go cart. Sorry your so dumb, I really do feel bad. But it's people like you that make it easier for people like me to get an edge in life- so acctually thank you.

Mark T's 91 Vr4

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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The speakers for the door is 5 1/4 or 6 1/2 and the rear speakers are 6x9. I dont know the exact size of the tweeters.

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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look, that's what my gtech had. i typed what i wrote. if you don't like that, then come here and take my gtech and fix it!! you peaple are bashing me like a bunch of assholes. by the way, i'm no craka, i'm puerto rican.

and Dre is waaaaaaaaaay better DMX. So what's the difference between all of the sports cars we alwas talk about, if you are a suck driver against a good driver, no matter what car you have, a camaro ss, Cobra, VR-4 or whatever, you will loose if you suck.

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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The vr-4 is quicker, than the mustang and the ss, but not faster than the ss. the top speed(if the diver weight is the same, is faster for the ss cause the vr-4 is as heavy as a house. 3,700=heavy

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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Hey idiot weight doesn't have anything to do with top speed. It's all up to gearing and Areo dynamics when all three have same amount of horsepower. VR-4=320hp Mustang Cobra=320hp Camaro SS=320hp all of which come with a factory rated top speed of 160mph by the way.

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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Don't go comparing American luxury coupes to VR4's. Just because your VR4 weighs 3,700 pounds doesn't put it in the same class as a Caddy Eldorado or Lincoln Mark VIII. And it's definitely not in the same class as a Caddy STS sports sedan. Those three American cars actually have enough room in their back seats for people older than 10 years of age(unlike the VR4), and they all weigh over 4000 lbs. because they are big thick cars that are built like tanks. I've been inside a '95 or '96 VR4, and I've been inside a couple newer American luxury coupes. There's no comparison in comfort and luxury-----American cars win hands down ina ll respects. The only reason your VR4 weighs 3,700 pounds is because of the AWD and AWS systems. Take a look at the 3000GT SL. It only weighs 3,400 pounds------the same as an American pony car. My 2000 Mustang GT is as luxurious and comfortable as any 3000GT since it has all the factory options. As for the 4.6L modular overhead-cam engine in my car, it is plenty "refined". Just because it's normally aspirated doesn't make it less sophisticated than your twin turbo engine. By the way, the Ford 4.6L engine in my car was first developed back in 1990 and used in the 1991 Lincoln Town Car, back before Ford even purchased Mazda. So no, Mazda had nothing to do with the developement of Ford's modular overhead-cam engines. After I get an Eaton supercharger on my engine I'll have enough power to be able to break into the low 12's. That's Ferarri and Porsche Turbo speed for $32,000, not to mention awesome handling from the ultra sticky radials. Unlike 99% of the people on the board, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

Date:: 30 Jan 2000

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What's the damn deal, Vr-4's, S.S.'s, Firebird's, Cobra's, and Covette's, are at the level of what Super Car standards were less than 10 years ago. And every freakin idiot out there wants a SUV or a Truck all of a sudden what the hell is up with that!

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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That's the point, the VR4 is a LUXURY GT, not a sports car. Can you read?! Compare apples to apples. The Eldorado is the closest thing to a LUXURY GT that the US has to offer. Foreign competition? Lexus SC400, Mercedes CLK430, Jaguar XK8, etc. The VR4 comes STANDARD with a twin-turbo 24-valve 320HP 3.0litre DOHC V6, leather everywhere, cd, ABS, power everything, AWD, AWS, alarm system, moonroof, 245/40/18 low profile tires and the list goes on. Now, did your Mustang GT, Cobra, whatever come STANDARD with all that(other than the AWD and AWS of course)? Hell No. So since you know what you're talking about, I'd go find out why Ford didn't give you the rest of your car.

Dave VR4

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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This is my first time actually posting anything here, and let me first of all say that it is great to have a place like this on the net where people like myself can go and post messages. It is really a shame that all these VR4 bashers feel the need to come to this site and tell us all how much better their pony cars are than ours. This is not a Mustang, Corvette, or Camaro message board, it is a 3000GT/Stealth board for all of you who didn't know that. If you want to tell someone how great your Mustang is go to a mustang board, I don't care and I'm sure all the 3000GT/Stealth people in here don't either. Now that I've spoken to all the unwelcome on the board, let me say that I just purchased my black 97 VR4 about a month ago and I couldn't be happier. I think the 3000GT's and Stealths are the best looking cars on the road and they have the performance to back it up. I need some help on a couple things and hopefully one of you experts out there has some advice for me. One thing I have noticed in the past week or so is that there is a fast ticking noise in the engine when it idles, and I was wondering if this is normal? I really know very little about cars, but a friend said it could be the lifters going bad. Has anybody else experienced any lifter problems, or any other major problems on the 97. It still has a year on the warranty, if it is a lifter problem, how bad does it have to get before the warranty will pay for replacement? Also I'm thinking about getting some snow tires as I live in Maryland close to DC and the weather has been terrible lately. Do I need to get them on all 4 wheels, if so what brand is best and how much are they. All input is appreciated.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Mels97VR4

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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To Sizigi: So, I guess you have a hole in the turbo system. You are correct if there is a hole, depending on the size, the blow-off valve won’t actuate. I don’t know what to tell you. The problem is you can’t trust the stock turbo gauge because it doesn’t use air pressure to measure the psi. So you might be reading 14psi at WOT but there might still be something wrong with the system. You should take it to a Dodge or Mitsu. Dealer, while you’re there ask them if they’ll install an aftermarket Boost Controller.

To the Guy with the ’00 Mustang: First thing I have to say I feel sorry for you that you couldn’t afford a Camaro, because Mustangs are slow (in stock form). I’ll have to agree with you, American cars have the best bang for the buck. In the end it’s all about preference, I don’t like Mustangs, Camaros and TAs. I prefer Japanese cars, but that’s just me. So just drop it. Plus I like knowing that my car costs "a lot" (compared to most cars on the street) of money. I didn’t just buy it for the speed, I got it to show off. Compare how many Mustangs, Camaros and TAs there are on the street compared to 3000GT/ Stealth, RX7, Supra and NSX. Once you install the Eaton blower you’ll keep up if not outperform more exotic cars, like you mentioned, the 360 Modena, Porsche etc… But it’s not always about speed. Do you think the guy beside you in the $120K to $150K car cares if your $28K care can beat him, NO!

To Drew: Yes the VR4s do have adjustable suspension, it’s called ECS. You can adjust it from ‘Tour’ to ‘Sport’, I’ve told it makes a big difference on our cars. I don’t have it because my car is a 95 Stealth TT.

To the guy buying the ’93 3000GT: Is it a VR4 or an SL/Base? If it’s a VR4 than there’s a huge list of things you can do to the car.

To Mel’s 97 VR4: Yes the ticking is normal when it’s cold. I’m sure you’ve noticed the ticking goes away once the car is at normal operating temperature. Some people have noticed adding synthetic oil helps the ticking sound. I have the same problem on my 95 Stealth TT. It only does it when it’s cold. Regarding the snow tires, YES, since the car is AWD you need equal size tires all around. Remember if you decide to change your rims for steel black rims, you can’t go lower than 17" because of the bigger brake calipers on the 2nd gen models.

Jammer: ’95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Welcome Mel,

I have a 97 Solano Black VR4 just like yours. Awesome isn't it. The ticking noise is a harmless little imperfection that our engines have. The ticking noise is the lash adjusters which function to keep the pistons in alignment. Most oil treatments or synthetic oil will eliminate the problem but it's nothing to worry about other than just a nuisance. As far as snow tires, I'm currently rolling on Michelin XGT Z4's and I have no problems with the snow. An all-season tire should be fine with the VR4. Snow tires typically are for snow belt regions that have snow for more than a season and the ride qualty is terrible.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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TO ROOM:

Has anyone heard anything on un-orthodox underdrive pulleys? I hear alot about them, but don't know exactly how they work. Also, do you guys recommend getting larger injectors? How much am I looking to spend? Any downsides? What are the performance increases? I'm still waiting to get back to the guy about the supercharger, but he said he could easily up the boost to 8-12psi, as opposed to 5. Any other recomendations on what I should get?

Marv's base sleeper(in making)

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Hey, Okay, I'm planning to get a 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, and I have few questions about it. First of all, the active aero system, is it in the 1994 version? Second, what is the story about them timing belts breaking? Is it common as a lot of people point out? Are you all happy with the miles/gallon? How many speakers does it come with? I'll prabably buy it even if it doesn't have any of these things, but hey, it's nice to know that stuff. Thanx in advance.

- Z

PS. Check out the Mitsubishi GTO VR4 LM. It comes with 600 hp. Very nice!

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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HEY, 3000GT'S SUCK ASS.... MY GRANDFATHERS '82 TOYOTA CRESSIDA CAN BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THAT PIECE OF SHIT.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Sorry guys, I've been away from this list for a long time... to the idiot that had the balls to post this message:

>The 3KGT is a nice, car, fast as hell, with great off of the line traction. I own a 1984 corvette and a heavily modified '85 350 >camaro, the total price of both comes to under 17,000 dollars, the vette runs through 35mph sealkote road corners at 85+ >without producing more than a small amount of drift, and the camaro runs mid 11's. My point is that owners of 3000Gt's have >someting to prove, blowing 40g's on a car that is bettered by eaisly repairable GM cars is just a way of showing that I've got a >lot of money, look at my big 'ol spoiler.-<camaro85z28400@hotmail.com>

To the fag that owns this Heavily modified '85 Camaro: It's sad enough that your car is an '85, not to mention it is a FUCKING CAMARO.... Now, how dare you come an insult such a great car like the 3000GT which can beat the living daylights out of your fruity looking Camaro! Should I ever find your lameass excuse for an '85 Camaro, I shall take full pride in bashing that piece of shit in with my Louisville sluggah. Anyhow, hicks like you deserve to stay in Wichita, Kansas. End of story.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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To Marv's Base(sleeper): I heard the un-orthdox, or after-market pulleys aren't very good for our cars. I think the pulleys are just smaller diameter wheels that replace existing ones on the engine. So all the accessories connected to the serpentine belt don't have to turn as many revolutions.

Well you may not need to upgrade your injectors. The stock boost for a 2nd gen. is 11.5psi and we have 360cc injectors. So if you’re only going to 12psi why would you need bigger ones.

To Z, I haven’t heard of the timing belts breaking, unless of course you don’t change it at the recommended time. It comes with 6 speakers, although I’ve heard 8. They’re infinity. Great sound, it’s a 200 watt system, not bad for stock. It also has a 7 band equalizer.

Jammer: ’95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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I have a 1984 Mustang GT that will stomp all over any rice burning Mitsubishi that has the nerve to race me. Bring it on bi@tches!

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Do some vr4s come with a manual transmission or do they all have automatics?

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Hi. I own a 3000GT. I am a rich rice eating punk who can't get any women so I resort to jerking off to Hustler magazines. My car has a really fruity assed looking spoiler, and my turbo's feed premium Uncle Ben's rice to my engine for optimum performance. I can't beat a Suburban in the quarter mile but I still think my car will dominate any American made piece of crap sports car. My shifter is made from hardened egg noodles that I made from leftovers at Yoshinoyas. To sum it all up in a few words: I look like a white man, but inside I'm really Japanese. I'm happy to see that there are so many fags like me at this web site. Now give me a smooch or I'll have to spank your little fanny!

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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To the guy asking about the VR4, NO VR4 or Stealth TT come in automatics. 5 speed for 1st gen. and 6 speed for 2nd/3rd gen.

To the idiot above. I didn't know inbred hill billies know how to use a computer. Wow, you must be rich to be able to afford a phone jack in your trailer park. Good for you! I'm sure you cousin who's also your wife is very impressed.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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I have a Super Charged 1995 5.0 Mustang Cobra it includes a K&N air filter charger, SVO header's and pulley's a hypertech power chip, Flow masters, and Z rated racing tire's that can out grip all four wheels of a VR-4 off the start, topped off with a double shot of Nos.

I will smoke any rice burner that has the balls to line up next to me.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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I will smoke any rice burner that has the balls to line up next to me.

Just wanted to let you know you Suck thats all.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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I will smoke any rice burner that has the balls to line up next to me.

Just wanted to let you know you Suck thats all.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Hell ya to the guy above with the Cobra you can take all your damn rice burners and go back to Japan. We don't want your over priced, no power wus cars here.

USA

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Hey, Thanx for the info Jammer, but one question you didn't answer. Does the 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 have the Active Aero system. For some reason I can't find any specs on the 1994, even on this site. The link is broken, so I can't really look it up. Also, does anyone know what does the active aero system does in the 1994? For some reason the one I want to get has a small spoiler in the back, I thought only the ones with the big spoiler has the active aero system.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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To: Marv's Base(Sleeper)-- I'm really excited to hear anything about the supercharger setup. Can you give me any details about the project? I'm in California where we have the CARB Smog Checks, will the kit be CARB certified for 50 states?

I have also been thinking about getting an underdrive pully for my base, I've heard they do a good job on some of the 4 banger cars, but have never found anyone with one on a 3000GT. I'm about to try disconnecting my power steering pump for a week or so to see how well/bad it drives. This might give close to the same power advantage and also help with the torque steer problem that I have. (Hey, Acura removed the P/S pump from the NSX and charged more for the car.) I'll let everyone know how it goes when I get to it.

I was wondering if anyone knows what kind of results the lightened flywheel produced for the N/T models, I'm sure they make a big difference on the Turbo.

Jason '94 GTO

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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The 94 has an active aero spoiler. The 97 has a rounded non-active and the 99 has the combat spoiler, I think the rest are the active aero.

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Ok, Am I beginning to believe that these american car owners are all FUCKING IGNORANT WHORES? I do believe they are with the exception of a few. RatedZ was pretty kewl, and there was another one also. I may prefer Import cars over american cars but that doesn't mean shit. I wonder if these American A$$holes go on European BMW chat rooms and flaunt their stuff. Let's see, Mr.CoonAssHillbilly get your car out on that autocross lined up again some other cars like the rx7, m3, etc etc.

Has anyone taken physics here? Take some physics classes, learn a little bit, come back when you understand some principles more than just "my manual says 3** hp" and then speak your mind. Can Mr.CoonAss give me the definition of torque? without looking it up in a dictionary. Do you truly know how it works... hmm... remember these are all factors of acceleration.

So flame me all you want, but thats just cause the truth hurts.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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I drove a '91 GT SL for about 3 years and just upgraded to a '95 VR-4. What a rush!

I've gotta chastise you guys though, for spending so much time talking about out-accelerating Camaros and Mustangs and Supras. The whole 3000GT line can absolutely CREAM any car with rear-wheel drive in a nice, twisty, windy country road.

Let those American fire-breathers come on; I'll lead them out to a country road, punch the suspension into SPORT, and throw my VR-4's AWD into a 2g turn (while accelerating) that will scare the crap out of the other driver!

BTW, I learned how to control understeer in FWD vehicles in a Saab 99 EMS back in '77, and once you learn it, you never have to worry about a turn again!

Now. A question. I've gotta replace the Potenza Pole Position tires on my VR-4. I'd prefer not to pay $343 a piece. Have any of you done comparisons with different tires and have a recommendation? Pirelli's are far too short-lived for me, the Nitto's I had on my VW GTI had no traction, and I've heard Michelins aren't very sticky. Why are there so many votes for the Yokohamas, and which model are they voting for? I had Falkens on my '91 GT SL and they seemed pretty good.

Dave

Date:: 31 Jan 2000

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Drew you're the last one to be calling people "CoonAsses" you stupid nigger. At night people can only see your teeth and the whites of your eyes since you are so fuckin black. That must help though when you are spear hunting an elephant for your next meal back in Africa. I'm going to pay you a visit one day you stupid coon, and when I do I'll have a baseball bat in one hand, a rope in the other, and a Smith & Wesson under my belt. You best go and fuck your last sheep while you can because I'm going to hunt your dirty black ass down, and when I hang you I'll park your little Japanese car under the tree right below you so you shit all over it. American Muscle will always prevail, mother fuckers!

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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Unfortunately, that last post shows that America still has a lot of problems. That guy represents a fair number of people in this country. First, people don't like your car because it's not American made, then they don't like you because you bought it and now we got racist coming here. That's pretty sad and I feel sorry for the guy who posted it. No sense in bashing him, he's in a sad enough state as it is. Both parties were wrong and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to judge anyone here, I just want to see all this shit stopped. Guys, it is definitely worth it to ignore all the negative folks that come here. This site is for the 3000GT enthusiast as well as others and its' a great site. Someone worked hard to get this forum up for us to share ideas and experiences, not to bash people. Let's represent it well and respect each other. Please consider this.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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I just bought a 95 3000GT and I wanted to see if any of you could give me a couple of pointers about how to go about giving the car a couple of more HP without doing some major work on it, I would really appreciate the info.

thanks, GASTON'S 95

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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Does anybody know why the 3000gt base model's engine was downgraded to 161hp from 218hp in '97?

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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to cut down on costs. The price of the 3000GT base SOHC is less than the 3000GT base DOHC. It was their attempt to boost sales by reducing cost.

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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Didn't work...

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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ROOM:

whatz up people? that ni66er comment was uncalled for so don't waste your time w/ the idiot.

DREW:

don't trip off someone who is a chatroom hero. anyway are you still racing the 300zx? i think i read that you were about to get a "turbo twin"? that would be tight.

MARC:

well spoken. i completely agree. if you've noticed even i have stopped talking shit to the domestic kids.

ROOM:

i'm still trying to start a club for the "turbo twins" in san diego. anyone interested let me know. "hated@hotmail.com" keep smashing for those 6 second 1/4 miles.

NINO "livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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Does anyone have a perf. chip? If so how much more power did you get and how much has it? Is it worth it? Thanks in advance for any info.

Joe/97VR-4

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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Joe/97VR4,

For the VR4, you will need to get the daughter board on the ECU(Electronic Control Unit) upgraded. In other words, it not a chip upgrade but a board upgrade. The performance increase is very modest (3-5 HP)and for $900 it's not worth it. For $1000-$1200, you can get Borla exhaust(free flow) and a K&N FIPK and the ATR downpipe. Add a Y-pipe from GT-Pro and you'll add about 30 HP but the turbos will spool up a bit quicker than normal and your top end will be a bit faster too.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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BTW Joe,

Those mods will set you up for the next stage(boost controller, gapped spark plugs)which will get you just over 400 horsepower.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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To JAMMER:

About the boost...I have a base GT. The boost would be on the Super Charger. He's going to market it at 5psi, but said he could up it for me. (If I get it to happen at all...) I was just wondering if our base injectors would be enough to feed the supercharger. (look at what the supra pushes) On another note: Has anyone run into the problem that their power side-view mirror keeps moving itself to a certain position? I adjust it and it's ok for most of the day but when I leave my office after work, I notice it's moved back to that same position. Any ideas?

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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I was coming home from a party with my girlfriend at about 12:00am. I have a 95 3000GT SL automatic but hooked it up to 300HP. My brother and my friend followed in there own car, a 95 Toyota celica GST and a 94 Integra GSR. We were cruising at about 85mph passing all the other cars. I was about half a mile ahead. All of a sudden I saw something coming real fast and cutting between us. It was a Ford Thunderbird V8. By the way this guy was driving I knew he wanted to get his butt kicked. I let my bro and his Celica go first to see if he can beat him. They started to accelerate far ahead but we stayed behind about 1/4 mile. Suddenly, I saw my bro pulled real fast to the side and stopped. I found out after that he maxed out and broke a piston. My friend went next but couldn't catch up so he signaled me to go ahead. The Thunderbird slowed down, I guess I was next. I came side by side with him at about 95mph. He tried to pulled up in front of me but I dropped my overdrive, floored it and passed him on the slow lane. In a few second I was at about 140mph. I kicked his butt so hard it seems like he was a parked car when I looked in my rear view mirror. Too bad I had to go back and pick up my brother but he's planning on getting a 3000GT soon. Can't wait to hook up that one too. Great stories guys. Keep on kicking! VEE

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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to the guy with the 300hp '95 3000gt sl

what all did you do to get your car to 300hp?? i have a '92 3000gt sl and its automatic also.

Xtreme GT

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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OK this first is for that racist asshole. I am Puerto Rican. I live in Jersey City New Jersey. So come over here with your craka ass so the craka killas can put a cap in your ass.

ok now to business. I have an 88 Mustang LX. I got it to 275HP. I also have a new suspention, and brakes. I also have custom made body parts. It goes 0-60 in 5.5 sec. and a 1/4 mile in 13.98@102 according to my gtech., The numbers may be kind of inaccurate cause there isn't a track near here.

I've raced lots of cars. but of course when it comes to camaro's, other newer mustangs,vr-4's and other high performance cars, i loose with my 275hp. But my friend has a 98 VR-4. It's sweet. My uncle has a 99 ss. sweet. Now my thing is i'm kind of tired of hearing people saying my car is beeter than yours!!. give me a break. please. there is no best car. whatever car you like, that's your best car. If i think the Echo is better than a Viper, well then a Viper isn't better than an Echo, in my eyes. But i don't.

When it comes to performance, yes, the VR-4 has a little edge over the mustang. But not the ss, or the Firebird. As for top speed, that other guy was right. weight does mater. If you have a guy who wheighs 300 lbs in a VR-4, it would now weigh, 4,000lbs. But if you put a guy who weighs 185, it now weighs 3,885. Not a big difference but my point is. You really think that a car will go the same speed with a 300lb guy as a 170-80lb guy. it's just common sense.

I never got a real answer for this wuestion, but you guys know lots about car(most of you) why does the VR-4 say 180mph if it only goes 160-170?

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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OK this first is for that racist asshole. I am Puerto Rican. I live in Jersey City New Jersey. So come over here with your craka ass so the craka killas can put a cap in your ass.

I've raced lots of cars. but of course when it comes to camaro's, other newer mustangs,vr-4's and other high performance cars, i loose with my 275hp. But my friend has a 98 VR-4. It's sweet. My uncle has a 99 ss. sweet. Now my thing is i'm tired of hearing people saying my car is better than yours!!. give me a break. please. there is no best car. whatever car you like, that's your best car. If i think the Echo is better than a Viper, well then a Viper isn't better than an Echo, in my eyes. But i don't.

I never got a real answer for this wuestion, but you guys know lots about car(most of you) why does the VR-4 say 180mph if it only goes 160-170?

Date:: 01 Feb 2000

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To DAVE:

About the controling FWD cars... Can you give me some pointers on things i can practice in parking lots or on back roads. I'd love to learn more about being a better driver. (Now if i only had a few hundred bucks to blow on Skip Barber)

To Import Guys/American Made Guys:

Where are all the CAR GUYS? When someone has a hooked up car I love it. I've seen a (tastefully) Hooked up Camry with a bottle of NOS in it. I know this kid with a really hooked up stang. Both cars i really dig a lot. I also met this kid with a 4 cylinder stang. WTF is that? Its a disgrace to nice cars. A phat car is a phat car.

1 more thing:

I love snow covered parking lots and hand brakes =)

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 02 Feb 2000

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Hello everyone! I'm a new comer to this site. I just finished reading every last post on this site (It took me about a year!). I just purchased my car in Dec. A red '94 VR-4. I wanted one of these cars for the longest time. I used to valet a couple of years ago and I drove(raced)about every car out there. Some advice: don't ever, ever hand your keys to a valet!!he he!!. I had the pleasure of driving two VR-4s(first gen), and let me tell you, once I drove those two beasts I knew what I wanted to get. I live in Taxachusetts($274 a month for insurance) so the AWD is a must in the winter. At first I had my eyes set on a 300zx TT then a Supra TT but always on the back of my mind I wanted a VR-4. I saved up a whole year to put a downpayment on the table, I also spent a whole year looking for the right one. My car came with 54K mint condition. I always wanted a black one but could not find the right one. When I saw the red for the first time though, it was love at first sight. The red, in my opinion, is the sexiest color. Now as far as which cars are the fastest.... people don't understand that this is not an all out sports car it's more on the luxury GT side. Let me say this THERE IS NO CAR OUT THERE IN THE SAME CATEGORY, THAT COVERS ALL THE POINTS A VR-4 CAN COVER!!!! American muscle cars may or may not be faster but they don't cover all the corners like the VR-4 can. Sure you ca sup up a stang to 500hp with $32,000 but to put all the technology a VR-4 has in a stang, the price would be incredible. Why do you think stangs and camaros cost so little?, because all you get is an engine straped to wheels just like the Viper, yes you heard right a Viper is just an engine straped to some wheels. Try going cross country on a Viper!! good luck!. The thing I love the most about my VR-4 is the attention I get. When I fist got it I took it to my girlfriend's college dorm. The girls there wet themselves! The only panties a stang, camaro, c5 will ever wet are the ones being used to wash these cars!! he he! Now don't get me wrong I'm not putting any car down outright, but If you notice, the only thing negative said about a VR-4 is it's weight!! No one can complain about much else. You know why? because NO OTHER CAR OUT THERE IN I'TS CLASS IS BETTER ROUNDED THEN THE VR-4. Now I don't want to bore you so I'm gonna call it quits. By the way a friend of mine has a '69 Stingray and my other friend has a '91 300zx TT(don't sleep on the 300zx TT!!believe me!)... I can't wait until this summer!! Jealous?!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 02 Feb 2000

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To the guy with the question, "why does the VR-4 say 180mph if it only goes 160-170?". I think the VR4 could hit 180mph but because it's drag limited, it will never make it. There are a lot of cars out there that can't do what the speedometer says. I have heard, never seen, of a few people that have hit 170mph in the VR4 in stock trim. Occasionally, the track in Joliet opens up the 1 mile track and I would love to see what my car could do. With 410HP, 180mph might not be a problem but I don't have the courage at this time to try it.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 02 Feb 2000

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WOW, If you drive fast(who here does not ) Go and read this: http://www.corral.net/Forums/Forum10/HTML/000736.php

Date:: 02 Feb 2000

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I was just about to post the same link!!! Hey Guys, remember make them prove it at the track!

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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3000GT IS THE BEST CAR. IF YOU TAKE 500 POUNDS OF THAT CAR IT WILL KILL A VETTE. I MEAN ALL THESE VETTES OWNERS THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL THAT. THAT PERSON WHO IS WRITING 3K SUCKS WELL I AGREE WITH GEORGE( 95 GT) THAT HE MUST BE A FAG WITHOUT A CAR. IF THAT GUY WANTS TO RACE WELL BRING IT ON.

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Give it up. A vette will squish a VR4 any day.

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Marc,

I haven't been on for a while, but I guess if you have been reading some of these posting you understand why. Anyway, your 1/28 posting was right on the money. A VR4 is disagvantaged by its weight; therefore, more power is necessary to even out the score.

Many of the cars mentioned here are all fast, good looking, etc. But to say that one car (stock) "smokes," I believe this is the word so many of you use to describe a race, another that is such horseshit. Cars I've raced: Supra TT, 540i, 740i, 2-SS Camaros, Viper, 2-98'Carrera 4s, BMW roadster, a Cobra(newest one) and a few that I can't remember. Excepting the 740 and the Viper, actually, for the distance I raced that RT/10 I surprisingly was right on his door, all of my races have been pretty close. I am the first to admit that any one of these cars could have a "better day." I say this because daily conditions effect everyones' cars differently - fact! Knock on wood, all of those races, except the Viper if he had more road, were victories for my car. I don't consider myself an expert driver, but I'm competent behing the wheel. I know that simple mods, like a filter and exhaust, are not going to make the kind of difference some salesmen lead you to believe, but each mod is another step up the ladder. Simple mods, like these or a boost controller give one slightly-over-stock-car that advantage, or, as Marc implied, they compensate for inadequate factory designs. In the end, I can still lose to a car that has a better advantage. Ie. NOS, 500hp. So, what. I hope they are enjoying how they so brillantly chose to convert their small fortunes. For me, I'm satisfied with my record, and I'll have a few disappointments, but my pleasure comes from driving one of today's coolest rides, which on the average, usually takes whatever lead the losing car fails to close.

Notice I didn't claim that I "smoke'em"

Greg's 94 Sleeper

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Hey AC,

Your quote, "'91 300zx TT(don't sleep on the 300zx TT!!believe me!)... " I'm not sure I get the jist of what you are trying to say. Slow? Fast? Crappy? Great? LOL..... well?

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Hey Nino,

I haven't raced the "NEW" Z just yet. I got an ZXTT so I actually have some power now. =) I'm going to be getting it up to stage three, but don't have the money at the moment. There's some illegal races out near where I live I just am not confident in my driving skills to go out there.

don't trip off someone who is a chatroom hero. Who was I cussing at again? LOL, I just find it very stupid when ppl are ignorant about there cars. If I came on this site and said, "my 300Z kills your cars, you'd get mad, and likewise I get mad when camaros/corvettes come on here and say stuff like that. All the cars are fast, but it comes down to taste and style. =)

Take it easy,

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Yes I'm back hehe...the 29th was my 21st birthday and I went to Vegas and brought back more money than I left with (I would have come back with even more had the Titans won the superbowl..but due to the 7 point spread I got my 5 bills back :)) Just thought I'd give a lil background knowledge on me and what I drive.

I own a 96 Z28 with a 355 (350 bored .06 over) ported heads, LPE "blower" cam, 1.6 RR's, forged everything etc Vortech S trim supercharger pumping 6psi, long tube headers custom built exhaust , 373 gears and a 6 speed tranny. With fuel problems it made 515hp and 520lbs of torque at the wheels...and it shortly there after chewed up a pushrod and a head gasket :)

I also drive a 98 Z71 Tahoe thats my "inclement weather" driver...gotta love 4WD...especially when you can smoke the Mustangs off the line when it's just a tad damp out :)

I've been lookin to trade both vehicles in on a new Audi S4...kind of a compromise...more go than the Tahoe but more room than the Z28 ....and of course AWD with a 6 speed....

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Drew, this is AC.. What I meant by "Don't sleep on the 300zx" was just that. The first time I drove my friends 300zx TT I wanted one right away!! These cars are equaly, in my opinion, as beautiful as thr VR-4. And the performance....just like the VR-4..if you give it the right mods you can make C5s look like there standing still!! BTW what color is yours, my friend has a red '91 TT. It is beautiful!

Mark, How did you get 410hp out of your beast?. I'm looking to do light mods on mine. i.e. FTPK, maybe a cat-back, but I want to experiment with the aquarium valve. Does anyone have any experience with this mod? Any advice you may have I appreciate it!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Hey Marc not Mark! my mistake. AC

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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Hey Marc not Mark! sorry!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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I think I'm having posting problems!! AC

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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AC,

My mods are: K&N FIPK, Borla exhaust, ATR downpipe, Blitz DBSC(Dual Boost Solenoid Controller) and NGK spark plugs gapped at .34. If I can get my reaction times down to at least .400 at the track, I'll be running just under a 13 second 1/4mile.

As far as the aquarium bleeder valve, it's a cheap way to get boost and it works, however you MUST make sure you don't exceed 15psi on the turbos or else a rebuilt engine is in your future. So, in additon to the valve, you must also get a turbo gauge installed to monitor boost and there's something else you need but I can't think of what it is at the moment. From the concensus of VR4 and Stealth TT owners, they and I agree that you should just get a boost controller instead. The boost controllers monitor everything for you and keep readings of peak boost and you can preset how much boost you want. I just set it, the car learns it and I forget about it. Not so with the aquarium valve.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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wtf is WOT???????

Date:: 03 Feb 2000

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WOT=Wide Open Throttle...and Marc your RT's have no effect on your ET ;)

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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Marc, What are we looking at in terms of $ for your mods?. Are boost controllers that expensive and did you install it yourself?

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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Right TC, I was thinking about two things at once. I was thinking that I need to improve my reaction time to beat the guy beside me and when I get the ARC2-GP, I'll be under 13 seconds for sure. Boy, it sure didn't come out this way the first time.

AC, I spent $1609 for parts and $400 for labor. I prefer to pay someone who has done this type of work before. I'm slowly getting into working on my car on my own and a buddy of mine is helping me get there. I paid $275 for the Blitz DBSC but it was used. A new one will run you about $400. Oh, I forgot to mention the Y-pipe in my list of mods.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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This is not really a War Story unless it's that battle to protect my wallet but I thought I would offer a few words for those people considering their first modifications. The first thing to do, unless you are very mechanically inclined is to locate a good mechanic. Even changing the sparkplugs is a shitty job on these cars.For any non warranty work a good mechanic who knows his Jap Turbos will charge way less per hour then Dodge/Mits shop rates and will get the job done quicker.Most of the factory mechanics I have dealt with had so little experience with the TT I would have been as well off at the Chevy dealer.The other thing is the cost of speed parts for these cars.I started out buying through the same guy that I chose to be my mechanic because the local speed shops had a bunch of kids who were mostly interested in mag wheels and stereos and offered no advice on my car.My mechanic however was not a distributor for HKS for instance so I was paying way more than I should have because the guy was buying retail himself.I later found a shop that moved enough Jap speed equipment to get decent prices and their prices for stuff like an EVC3 and cat back exhaust was two thirds of what I had paid. I also had good luck with Alamo Motor Sports.I got their number out of a Turbo magazine and bought a downpipe and upgraded intercoolers for less than the cost of the HKS intercoolers alone and freight,all the way to Canada cost me about $45.I don't know if the results are as good but wherever I have compared prices between HKS stuff and Greddy for instance the HKS parts were considerably more-Make sure to shop around and to ask around to see who is getting the best results from which pieces.There is no point in buying a speed part unless you are getting what you expect.You can't get a "chip" for the TT/VR4 so I bought the G-Force ROM Tune which is a whole new board.I was very satified with the results but my car was heavily modified by the time I added this and I think the closer your vehicle is to stock the less benefits you can expect.This is really important because there are very few 4wd dynos around and most of them can't handle big horsepower. I was surfing some related sites and found Jim Mathews site on 3gt links.On the dyno he was getting 400+ hp on stock exhaust and turbos implying the standard tubes with gutted cats flow enough to supply whatever the stock turbos can give.Other dyno tests have suggested that a turbo upgrade can change the powerband but will not necessarily increase HP.What I think these results really mean is that after the air intake and boost control are changed you must take a balanced approach and not expect a single mod to give you a big HP jump but I would definitely want to see the dyno or timeslip proof before deciding on any turbo upgrade.The intercooler upgrade is guaranteed HP for a lot less than new turbos and should probably proceed a turbo change in any case.Also you can get cylinder head porting done for well under two grand and if this is adding 30hp to street driven Talons what can we expect on 3litre TT?One other thing is warranty.I had all kinds of external mods on my Stealth and this did not affect my warranty, in fact the kid I sold it to bought an extended warranty which required a bumper to bumper inspection.With all the stuff I have been hearing and reading about tranny failures maybe people should be looking at buying an extended warranty to protect themselves. It is a lot cheaper than a transmission. One other thing since I got no feedback on the other posting-What difference does that lack of 4 wheel steering make on the 95 Stealth? I want to buy one but if the handling is not as good I will look for a 94-I also read a comment that it is 100lb lighter w/o 4ws-Anyone at all????

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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WHOO HOO!!!!

----------------Attention Base owners---------------

I just got off the phone with the guy who's going to be supercharging the car for me. I got a little more info but he's been busy with other projects and probably won't even get started on mine until March(which is cool cuz I still haven't found a bike)He just supercharged a Hayabusa 1300. Sick ain't it? He's got a mustang to go thru still before my car, so I'm still waiting. Anyways, the supercharger is made by Eaton. He'll be running 5 lbs of boost and expects an increase of 60hp across the board. This is all assuming stock exhaust. He highly recommended I get an aftermarket catback and this along with a blower would up it by around another 50hp again across the board. He's hoping he can up the boost as he's being very conservative with the estimates. He still needs to researh the engine some more to get the final verdict. Those mods alone will put me at about 270hp. That's not including a new intake, headers (which he actually advised me to stay away from for cost purposes) plugs, plug wires, and underdrive pulley which he said were kinda questionable, but he'd look into it. If I'm lucky, I may get 320hp outta this sucker yet, all for a very reasonable price! He's saying 400+ if teh engine can take higher boosts, and I'll need new cylinder heads for that. Don't know if I want to go quite THAT far. Anyways, keep it fast and keep it safe.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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Damn!!!!

400 horses in a front-wheel drive car! Talk about being a handful. If your guy can pull that off, it would be a major accomplishment for NA 3K/Stealths.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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MARV:

you better not make 400hp with a non-turbo! who do you think you are trying to be different? j/k good shit man!! we'll teach those non belivers that the twins can make much horsepower w/out just slapping bigger turbos on. my project is somewhere in arizona still. damn i miss that car.

ROOM:

does anyone know if the active aero wings will fit on the rt3's? please let me know.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed".

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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In Marc's previous post "...it would be a major accomplishment for NA 3K/Stealths." If Marv can pull it off, at that point, It wouldn't be an NA.

Marv:

I apologize in advance if this was already mentioned in your previous posts, but is your base the SOHC version? What are you going to do about the wheelspin in your front wheels? In my stock SOHC base, I already get wheelspin even by lightly pushing the throttle. Will anti-roll bars help?...This question is to anybody.

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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The only thing you can do.....finnesse it. In other words, DON'T floor it. There's a median you have to attain of slow acceleration to about 12mph, by that time your car has enough momentum to hold on to the asphalt. Then you can floor it. The other option(the one I'm after) is get bigger rims. At least the 18" stock that the VR-4 comes with. Get high grade tires that stick, and that should help alot. I dunno about the anti-roll bars. I thought that was more of a cornering/acceleration thing. Oh yeah, it's a SOHC base. I have a '99 I just bought 4 months ago. I'm pissed off though. I was going to buy a VR-4, but there were NONE left in Florida. Then I looked for an SL, and there were no NEW ones in Florida. I went to the dealer today to do some paper work, and lo and behold, they have the last 99' VR-4 in the country. Bastards! And the mileage on my base is so high, it wouldn't be worth trading in. Oh well, my base will be able to outrun a stock VR-4 pretty soon.

Marv's base sleeper(in making)

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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Hey AC,

Nissan actually made the ZTT to run against the C4. And on paper it looked great, I'm not sure on the streets though. I've never raced on so I couldn't tell ya. The Z and 3/s are my favourite of the Japanese Sports Cars. The Supra is too much of a brute, and the RX7 to unreliable. Stage3 is supposedly 406 ( however it looks to be more like 385) It's a Burgandy Pearl. =) Prolly the same color.

Take is easy! Oh, and why does everyone think I'm black? LOL

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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You think your 3000GT's are "luxury touring coupes?" That's pretty funny, because there is no such thing as a Japanese "luxury touring coupe." Who says so?---Lincoln and Cadillac say so. Why? Because the Mark VIII and Eldorado are the defitition of "luxury touring coupes." They are massive, spacious, and powerful cars that weigh over 4000 lbs.(and that's without the added weight of AWD) and still pull off 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. How about supercharging a Mark VIII or Eldorado(already at 300HP in normally aspirated form). That alone would get you 400 or more horsepower and the quarter mile in the low 13's, while providing a safe, quiet ride with AMERICAN luxury(you know: lots of wood, chrome, thick carpets, overstuffed seats, tons of space). And then for handling, the Eldorado comes with Z-rated tires and the "Stabili-trac" computer controlled stability and handling system that outhandles all other "TRUE luxury touring coupes" on the market. So what was that about "my 3000GT is a luxury touring coupe?" Not quite, guys.

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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I'd like to thank you [NOT] bastards for answering me about the clutch fluid leak.

I love my 94 SL, but is seems that people only respond to VR4 bullshit or worse bullshit about racing fantasies.

My little 3.0 runs great, but it can't hold a candle to the old 73 GTX 440 hemi I had 20+ years ago.

I get a kick out of you guys running a little beefed up 3 liter engine and thinking you are all that.

Hopefully some of you have really had your heads snapped back, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

And another thing, you talk about engine performance, but that's not shit, my friends.

I press that little button to change to sport suspension.....105 mph on a 35 mph off-ramp.

It's the handling, baby, it's all in the handling.

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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I'd like to thank you [NOT] bastards for answering me about the clutch fluid leak.

I love my 94 SL, but is seems that people only respond to VR4 bullshit or worse bullshit about racing fantasies.

My little 3.0 runs great, but it can't hold a candle to the old 73 GTX 440 hemi I had 20+ years ago.

I get a kick out of you guys running a little beefed up 3 liter engine and thinking you are all that.

Hopefully some of you have really had your heads snapped bacVTI-GROUP=0

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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I'd like to thank you [NOT] bastards for answering me about the clutch fluid leak.

I love my 94 SL, but is seems that people only respond to VR4 bullshit or worse bullshit about racing fantasies.

My little 3.0 runs great, but it can't hold a candle to the old 73 GTX 440 hemi I had 20+ years ago.

I get a kick out of you guys running a little beefed up 3 liter engine and thinking you are all that.

Hopefully some of you have really had your heads snapped bacVTI-GROUP=0

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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I'd like to thank you [NOT] bastards for answering me about the clutch fluid leak.

I love my 94 SL, but is seems that people only respond to VR4 bullshit or worse bullshit about racing fantasies.

My little 3.0 runs great, but it can't hold a candle to the old 73 GTX 440 hemi I had 20+ years ago.

I get a kick out of you guys running a little beefed up 3 liter engine and thinking you are all that.

Hopefully some of you have really had your heads snapped back, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

And another thing, you talk about engine performance, but that's not shit, my friends.

I press that little button to change to sport suspension.....105 mph on a 35 mph off-ramp.

It's the handling, baby, it's all in the handling.

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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I'd like to thank you [NOT] bastards for answering me about the clutch fluid leak.

I love my 94 SL, but is seems that people only respond to VR4 bullshit or worse bullshit about racing fantasies.

My little 3.0 runs great, but it can't hold a candle to the old 73 GTX 440 hemi I had 20+ years ago.

I get a kick out of you guys running a little beefed up 3 liter engine and thinking you are all that.

Hopefully some of you have really had your heads snapped back, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

And another thing, you talk about engine performance, but that's not shit, my friends.

I press that little button to change to sport suspension.....105 mph on a 35 mph off-ramp.

It's the handling, baby, it's all in the handling.

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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To the clutch fluid post,

www.3si.org has several "experts" on our cars that might be able to help you. You sound like someone is obligated to you or must answer your question(s). I frankly don't know the answer to your question and with your attitude if I did I wouldn't tell you. Your attitude smells like sh!t. You sound like you're still in diapers.

To the guy who's wearing this luxury GT issue out, you're right, the VR4 isn't anything like the Eldorado and Caddy, it's not loaded with a bunch of useless sh!t like those cars are. Stabili-Trac, sounds like a useless piece of workout equipment. Give it a rest and talk about something worth talking about or better yet, take a hike.

Marv, I hope your buddy is successful in what he's trying to do but remember a VR4 is AWD, AWS, viscous coupling system and twin-turbo power. Your car will end up like some of the competition, able to outrun stock VR4's in a straight line but can't hold that speed in the twisties, can't get the jump at the light, can't plow through the snow and if you ever grow tired of it, you're stuck with it. BTW, is there a 400hp front-wheel car out there, anywhere? I'm not trying to flame you or anything but those are some serious points to consider. I started out with a base GT, then bought the 95 VR4 two years later. Modded it a little and now if I feel like it I can snack on C5's, Supra TT's, T/A's, Camaro SS with no problems. Good luck.

Dave VR4

Date:: 04 Feb 2000

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Well it was a summer night in 98 when I decided to take my dad's 93 ES Stealth out for a spin. Sorry guys, this one will be a sad story but fun to tell. So if there are any people who are sensitive to bad stories, turn away now. As I was typing, we were stopped at a light when an unfamiliar pair of lights came up behind me. My friend yelled "It's a Viper!" So we decided to race It swooshed around next to me at the next light. He looked over at me and we both punched it. He must of had it half-throttle. In second it looked like I might of had a chance until it happened. I was at redline in 2nd and I guess he decided to use full throttle. He blew me away like I was standing still

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Marv your a doink :) If you have traction problems you do not want BIGGER rims (diameter wise) that will just elevate the problem due to the smaller stiffer side wall :P And I doubt a 12mph roll is enough to satisfy a FWD car with 400hp from "spinning" :) When my car had a measly 360 I could downshift at about 70 and get a nice side to side shimmy with 275's on the back :)

Oh and as for a car with 400hp and FWD...it was done years ago...anyone recall which car it was? :) Here be a hint..."follow the yellowbrick road...." :)

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Dave, your car has no class at all, and it failed miserably in the U.S. market because of that fact. It's a mut...it looks like a mix between an Eclipse, a Saturn, an NSX, and a half-ass Ferarri. It had no originality, therfore Mitsubishi couldn't evolve the car's styling through the years. What a shame.

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Hey what's up guys?! I need some advice... Has anyone done a 60K tune up on their cars?. What did it cost? What is included?. I want to do mine in the summer. Thanx

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Question....? I have noticed a lot of crap-talking on this site... Why is it that non 3K/3T owners come on this site and talk crap about how there cars are better??? Non of us go to there stang sites!!!! know this though.. I have yet to hear of any Japanese, European car owner "DUMPING A BIG BLOCK" in there cars. And do you know why? Because Foreign engines are far superior, they can produce double or triple their stock HP with virtualy bolt-ons. What is the first thing a stang owner does when he wants more HP. "DUMP A BIG BLOCK IN THERE!!!" ha ha ha ha! I can't stop laughing. They think they are getting more power but at the same time they're adding more weight so all that HP is reduced right from the get-go. So all you "muscle car" owners better know what you are talking about when you say Japanese and European cars have crappy engines. Because when you "DUMP A BIG BLOCK IN IT" you are admitting to the fact that your engines are not as effiecient or easy to modify. And when you say a Viper can kill any VR-4 anyday... I don't think so!! Have a Viper pull up next to me with a full thank of gas in both cars, an open highway, and I gaurantee the Viper will not cover more ground than the VR-4. When the Viper runs out of gas 90 miles latter I'll be 300 miles down the road!! ha ha ha. Don't get me wrong, I like Vipers but overall, it's no VR-4. Like I said, it's an engine strapped to wheels. So go ahead and bring on your dinosaurs of engines, I'll be cruising in the highway, cruise control on 65MPH, temp control at 70degrees, cd player blasting,girfriend next to me sleeping because the dawn ride confort in that leather seat is so great, and all the other cars drewelling over my '94 red beauty. HA HA HA HA!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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i HAVE A MECHANICAL PROBLEM WITH MY 3000 GT 94 MITSUBISHI, wHEN THE CAR IS COLD, i HAVE A LIFTER TICK. wHEN THE ENGINE WARMS UP THE TICK GOES AWAY. pS DOES ANYONE HAVE THIS PROBLEM AND ANY SUGGESTIONS? ERIC 94

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Eric with the 94...it's probably normal...when my Z28 starts cold it "ticks". But it's due to "piston slap"...the car hasn't had time to "warm up" and the pistons haven't expanded to their optimal temperature :)

And uhhh AC...that post was of a 3rd grade comprehensive level. Try again? :)

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Big block engines have their advantages and disadvantages. The nice thing about big blocks is that they produce HUGE amounts of torque right out of the factory with no mods needed. Look at the 8.0L V10 in the Viper: it has over 500 foot/pounds of torque(not to mention 450 horsepower)! Of course, this engine gets about 6-8 MPG. That's why Chrysler is replacing it with a complex, refined small displacement engine, possibly a V8. Unfortunately, this new engine will not be able to produce the same amount of torque due to the huge drop in displacement. Chrysler will probably shorten the rear-end gear ratio to make up for the loss of torque so that the Viper retains its characteristic low-RPM power. As for Ford and GM, they got rid of their big block engines a couple years back. GM's LS1 engine will probably be replaced by a 4-cam, 32-valve engine by the year 2003 because of new emissions laws. Ford already made that transition back in 1996. For the most part, big block engines are dead. In the automotive industry, at least.

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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RE:Hey what's up guys?! I need some advice... Has anyone done a 60K tune up on their cars?. What did it cost? What is included?. I want to do mine in the summer. Thanx

Hi AC, everyone,

The 60k tuneup info is at www.stealth-3000gt.st/60k.php Very detailed including pictures and instruction.

By the way everyone, as Dave VR4 has said www.3si.org has several "experts" on our cars that might be able to help you. This webpage is a discussion forum and while many of our members are pretty literate about their cars this is not a technical forum. Please feel free to ask questions but if you don't get a response it's probably because no one here knows the answer in detail. 3si.org is THE technical forum for ANY technical questions you may have.

Hope this helps 96' Spyderman 400+hp 3kgt

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Hey Everyone,

Just a little fun for ya'll. They finally made a Mustang that can equal the Supra and other Sports Cars. http://caranddriver.com The thing is it costs the same amount. =) Poor guys, now they can't say their car is cheaper. It's a great read though. I would recommend it.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Forget C5's. When I get $54K I'm buying one of those new Mustang FR500's. I'd be stoked to have a car that handles and accelerates as well as a Ferarri 360 Modena F1, for 1/3 the price! That kind of value is unheard of! Thanks for the link Drew. That article shows just how rapidly automobiles are improving year by year. If you think about it, today's entry-level sports cars that cost between 20-$30K, like the LS1 Camaro Z28 and the Honda S2000 for instance, are as fast or faster than the 50-$60K sports cars of the early '90's. It's mindblowing.

"Jimbo" [Yellow '95 Stealth RT]

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Holy hell!!! Look at the Vette on the new Motor trend. Twin turbo, 226 mph!!!

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Two bad that stang is ugly as hell. And you can get a Vette for 45k and spend 5k and it will kill that ugly stang.

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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To everyone who is downing Japenese cars in here:

I have been a loyal Ford and Chevy man since birth, I have always despised Japenese cars. I always thought that cubic inches and v8s were everything. Until I was forced to own a Jap car. My ford failed me continuously so I gave it up and was forced to buy a '91 Eagle Talon TSI because of cost. This car is faster than any Camero or Mustang my dad ever raced. THis car handles better than any of these american cars too. My AWD smokes most 2WD cars due to traction alone, and beats them after were rolling due to my turbo boost. My talon has a modified intake with a large intercoller. I alsohave an upgraded ignition. Other than that it is pretty much stock. I get better gas mileage than just about any other american sports car and my performace doesnt suffer at all. Sure all of these american cars would be faster with TT and AWD but they dont have them so no need to even talk about it.

Mike (loogie2@hotmail.com)

p.s. I stopped in here because I am looking at a '92 dodge stealth R/T TT this weekend and I wanted to see some of the mods trhat you guys were using so that i could get a feel for this car.

Thanks a lot guys, If anyone has any advice please post and or email.

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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To TC: I'm a doink? Is that a word?;p Yeah, I assumed the 12mph thing if you still have a STOCK base GT. I duuno what I'm gonna due after the mods(tacky tape?) As for the base not performing as well as a VR-4 on curves, I was aware of that. You don't get too many curves in Orlando, but ALOT of strait-aways. I wanted a VR-4, but there weren't any new ones in Florida at all. The dealer here finally got one 3 days ago......4 months too late for me!!!!! Oh well. That's why I'm dumping all my funds into mods. It's more that I want to prove I can do it as opposed to "out do" a VR-4. That's never gonna happen in a base. And besides, it's not the VR-4's I'm out to get. It's my co-workers vette's, camaro's, and my bosses carrera. : ) On another note: I finally got my bike. A '95 ninja ZX-6r. Good condition, but well run. Oh well, it's not my toy anyway. I have that same "ticking" problem in my car when it's cold too. It usually goes away after a few minutes though. I'm assuming it's normal.

Marv's base sleeper(in making)

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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Those ninjas are damn quick, I am looking at a 750.

Date:: 05 Feb 2000

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To Anyone Who Will Help: Im new to the whole 3000gt thing here. Ive been reading this site for a while because I found one of these cars that I can afford. My dad sells cars at a dealership around here, and a '93 SL rolls in, and I am all over it. But, everything here seems to be VR-4 oriented. I don't have a choice really, its the SL, or they have a couple used Mustangs. My question is, are there any mods to add afterstock Turbos to the SL engine? And is it worth buying without the AWD system? I mean, right now Im driving a 86 Buick Century [Its pretty, though ;)] Should I fork over the 8 grand, or keep looking for something else?

Modulo@neo.rr.com

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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The only thing that can really prevent wheelspin is tires with more GRIP. If the supercharger makes 350 -400 HP to the front wheels, then slicks might not be a bad idea. With horsepower like that, there could be wheel hop, or BAD tourqe steer on hard launches.

I was talking with a turbo guy in southern California about a turbo conversion for my base and he said the engine would probably be able to handle up to 1 bar (14.7psi). That sounds kinda high to me, but I think 10 -11 psi wouldn't hurt anything. I gave up on the turbo conversion 'cause it would cost to much ($7000 or so for 400-450HP), but the supercharger is doable!

Jason '94 GTO

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Hola,

I'm probably the most hated kind, in this forum. I am a teenager that drives an SUV. I'm sorry you guys have had such bad experiences with both teenagers and SUV drivers. I am looking into selling my truck and getting a VR4. I have read 1/4 to a 1/3 of the forum for this year and I have heard a few things I would like to ask about. There seems to be some disadvantages to owning a '96 or up? Can I have some specifics for comparison? I was also wondering how expensive it is for the upkeep of a stock VR4. One little side note, I know it offended some of you, but I would like to hear more about that damn Blue Jimmy. If you take a step back and read it, it's some funny stuff. Thanks for your help, in advance!

HopingVR4 jester@ix.netcom.com

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Hola,

HopingVR4 jester@ix.netcom.com

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Hey guys, im a VR-4 owner like some of you. im stock but i have a good question. What is the drag coefficent of a 94 3000GT?? i cant find that answer anywhere, but if its above .32 then id like to see if i could get it down. If any of u guys know the answer i would appreciate it thanx

MIKE-94 Silver VR-4

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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True, you can get a Vette for 45K, spend 5K, and be able to keep up with Viper GTS's and Modena F1's. But who the hell wants a fiberglass car??? Do you have any idea how srewed you are if you get in a serious accident in a Corvette??? Sorry, but I'd rather be surrounded by solid metal, not fiberglass.

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Speed Freaks,

I am, by your standard, scum. I am a teenage SUV driver. I'm sorry you have all had such bad experiences with SUVs. I was thinking about selling my SUV and purchasing myself a VR4. I was looking for some info and the more opinions, the merrier! I was wondering if there was any particular year that the VR4 was especially good. Some year that Mitsubishi perfected the art, and it goes downhill after that. I was also curious as to ownership costs (maintenance, etc.). Could anyone give me an idea on the yearly costs of upkeep? Please bear in mind that I want to keep it pretty much in stock condition. Also, if I could get some tips on stuff to look out for, when shopping for my VR4, that would be very helpful.

Just a little side note. I've been reading some of these posts, and I know it offended some of you, but I would like to hear more of this infamous Jimmy with the blue dome lights. VERY entertaining stuff. Almost popped a vein in my forehead reading it, it was so funny. Thanks so much, in advance!

-HopingVR4 jester@ix.netcom.com

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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AC,

The prices for the 60K service seems to vary across the country, don't know why but the average seems to be around $900. This would include replacing the spark plugs, filters and fluids, timing belt, water pump, tensioner and labor.

Eric:

The ticking noise is the lash adjusters. They are responsible for keeping the pistons in alignment. It's a common problem on 3K's and really nothing to be concerned about.

Drew,

What's really funny is that my car is running almost the same numbers(13.23@108.1mph vs.13.0@110mph) and it only cost me $1700. Add that to what I paid for my car and it's only $41400. My next mod will run me about $900 and put me in the 12's. $42,3K vs. $54K and I'll have better performance. I love it. The 360 Modena's are a touch quicker still than the FR500, they run 0-60 4.3, 12.8@112.5. I wonder what Car and Driver thinks the 360 runs?

Jester,

I have a 97 VR4 and I haven't had one problem with it. I got 35K miles and except for the ticking noise during cold seasons and notchy shifts during that same period, it's been flawless.

Mike,

For $2300, you can have a Stealth TT running in the 12's. The VR4/Stealth TT can be modded easily for little money. A aquarium bleeder valve that costs $17 can decrease a VR4/TT quarter mile by almost .3 secs. That's a lot of performance for $17 bucks. See my on Jan 21 for my mods.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Speed Freaks,

I was thinking about selling my SUV and purchasing myself a VR4. I was looking for some info and the more opinions, the merrier! I was wondering if there was any particular year that the VR4 was especially good. Some year that Mitsubishi perfected the art, and it goes downhill after that. I was also curious as to ownership costs (maintenance, etc.). Could anyone give me an idea on the yearly costs of upkeep? Please bear in mind that I want to keep it pretty much in stock condition. Also, if I could get some tips on stuff to look out for, when shopping for my VR4, that would be very helpful.

-Hoping 4 VR4 jester@ix.netcom.com

BTW - what does VR4 stand for?

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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VR-4 stands for Velocity with reason secured by 4 wheels ( 4 wheel drive)

MIKEs silver VR-4

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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VR-4 stands for Velocity with reason secured by 4 wheels ( 4 wheel drive). Marc, thanx for the tip, i dont have 2 much money to spend on the car. Cheap mods r better then none at all

MIKEs silver VR-4

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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I am still a virgin :(

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Hey Guys,

Glad you liked the link, too bad I didn't write it. It's awesome to hear that they got 50/50 out of the mustang. New my car would have been 37K. Now I'm not that good of a driver but have estimated a 14.2 quarter mile. I think I could dip into the 13s with a stage 3 z( Intake, Exhaust, Pulleys, and Chip) IF i was a GOOD driver. =)

I'm wondering if you could do the same thing they did to the Stang to get 50/50 on a Z or 3/s? Lengthen out the wheelbase? Doesn't that seem a little harsh? Does the 4wheel steering and AWD make up for that on your cars? I love getting the back wheels to kick out a little bit. =)

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Hey Guys,

Just so you know.. that was using a script to figure out the quarter mile. I probably get 21's. LOL

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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Jester,

The 94-99 models years are the better built years for the VR4. Not that 91-93 years are bad but Mitsu learned from those years how to make the VR4 a bit better. One, the boost was increased on the 2nd generation cars(94-99) from 9psi to 11psi. The increase make the 2nd generation cars a touch quicker than 1st generation. Second, the 94-99 models have a four-bolt engine as opposed to the two-bolt engine on the 91-93 models. The 91-96 VR4's have the active aero spoiler while 97-98 have the rounded spoiler and the 99 has the combat spoiler.

If you find a VR4 with 60K miles or more, you DEFINITELY want to get the 60K service done at the dealers expense, it'll save you about $900. The Getrag transmission is the biggest problem with the VR4/Stealth TT's, the NA cars have bulletproof transmissions for the most part. Eventually and I'm not looking forward to this but the transmission will go on you and the price tag? About $5500. As long as you're under warranty, you don't have to bear the cost but there's never a convienent time for a trans to go bad on you. Go to http://www.3si.org and go to the messageboard and do a search on transmissions. It's 3 to 1 that VR4/Stealth TT owners transmissions have gone bad in comparison to owners that haven't had trans problems. Most of the time, when the trans goes, it's without warning. The best way I can figure to prolong the life of my trans is to not do 4 and 5K clutch dumps from a standing start. AWD, AWS, viscous coupling unit and all the other sophisticated components are rock solid and know one has mentioned any problems with them.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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If I had $54K to spend on a car, I'd get one of those Mustang FR500's just because of the fact that it can out-handle a C5. I think that's the most impressive thing about that car. And then consider this; you could spend another 4-$5K to supercharge it, and you'd end up with a 500 horsepower car that would probably run the 1/4 mi. in the high 11's and handle as well as a Modena or 911 Turbo for under $60K. GOD, please let it rain $100 bills on my house! hehe

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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I didn't know me mentioning the fr500 would be such a breaker!!!! Buy a used "Z" 12,000-18,000. Get an intake, exhaust, pulleys, chip, ceramic coated ball bearing turbos, shocks/struts, springs. You'll have a nicer looking car, faster, handles better. Do the same to a vr4. What do you have a nicer car, faster and handles better. 46-52K isn't worth a mustang.

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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I do not own VR-4 just like other people do in this page but I own base model 95 3000GT. One of my friend owns 94 vr-4, and after modification (upgrading intercooler, turbo, etc), he seemed to have lot of problems with various reasons. Anyway, he bought his car for 23 grand, spent 10 grand for modification, and used almost 8 grand for fixing it it including brand new motor. Even if my base model 3000GT is slower than VR-4, I don't regret it. Base model is still sweet car!!! --------95 base model 3000GT owner------------

Date:: 06 Feb 2000

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American big blocks are the only way to go when it comes to getting the most extreme power and performance on earth. Forget about Porsche's, Ferrari's, and Lamborghini's. This car proves that the American big block can never be replaced:

http://supercars.net/present_cars/dodge/viper_venom650r/index.php

(more examples to follow)

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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While that may be true, for street performance, too much power can be detrimental. What am I going to do with 500 horses on the street? At the track, sure 500HP would come in handy but on the street, there's no way you're going to use it all. There are twin-turbo cars out there running 500+ RELIABLE horsepower and are driven daily. Although 500 horsepower is extreme to me(for the street), the important thing is that it's reliable. How many people here would want 500HP that you could drive to the max two or three times before you'd have to rip out broken internals and rebuild the engine. In racing, that's the norm but everyday driving? That's insane. One thing I like about Dodge, who's Viper just won the 24 hours of Daytona over the weekend, is that all three of their cars ran pretty solid through the whole thing. Man gave out before the cars did and that looks pretty encouraging for Daimler-Chrysler and the American car maufacturers. The C5-R Vette was in second and it ran just as good. I think Cadillac was 12th overall but a good showing for the first appearance in this type of race. With that kind of showing, I may by American again.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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ROOM:

quick question. has anyone used the alamomotorsports downpipe? how is in comparision to the atr d/p? and i'll be getting my car back soon. can't wait for some new victiums. thanks for any feed back.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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I just came off the site for that new Stang. On the picture it looks like it tried to rip-off a BMW, with the ground effects. C/D, in my impression, wasn't even trying to praise it. They said it was nothing more than a beefed-up cobra. My point here is that a Stang will always be a Stang. The car is cursed with the name. It will never be more attractive than a C5 and shouln't even be compare to a FERRARI!!!! It will never wet more panties than a FERRARI. Ford can put all the crap they want in it but it will always be a Stang.!!

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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To the guy asking what VR4 stands for:

Viscous Realtime (All wheel drive system) 4 wheel steering.

And to anybody interested, the GTO which is the name of VR4 and TT in Japan, means Grand Turismo Omelegato (sp?)

And I have to agree with AC, no matter how fast you make a Camaro/TA, Mustang and 'Vette they'll always be considered as cheap cars for rednecks. Not trying to start a flame war, but it's true. Even you muscle car guys must know the label that gets put on these cars. Maybe not the 'vette so much, but it's still in that family.

I mean we're all aware you can make a Camaro/TA, Mustang, 'Vette, Supra TT, Rx-7, 3/S TT and 300ZX outperform and outhandle a Ferrari, Porsche and/or Lamborghini. But do you honestly think the owners of these cars give a damn, NO!

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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don't get me wrong, I like 3000GT's but come on. A VR4 is a $45,000 car that will run the quarter mile in 13.44. While a $27,000 ram air formula will run the quarter mile in 13.15. Pure motor, no turbo, no all wheel drive, just pure 3000gt ass kicking car. Think of a twin turbo awd formula. Imports will never make a afordable sports car that will compete with a LS1 powered car. Imports suck. I have never been beaten in my 98 formula by a import. The only way a import will ever be fast is to stop putting 500hp shots of nitrous and exhaust that sounds like a pissed off weedeater and put a american v8 in those things.

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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To the post above... I don't think so. The most efficient engine is the best engine. Also BEWARE OF THE MITSUBISHI GDI engine. 15 years in the making no other company could engineer a Gasoline Direct Injection engine. Volovo realized it's potential and started to use them on their cars. Mitsubishi agreed to share it's ideas with the rest of the manufacturers(the ones not smart enough to build it themselves). So look for it in your future redneck cars. HA HA HA!!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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And to add to my last post red-necks... One of the reasons imports cost more is because they are imports!! You have to figure shipping, taxes, delivery...and so on. If you would sit back and analize it from a different point of view you would see it too. So yes your cheap cars may be cheap here but try selling them in Japan or Europe, the price will also sky rocket. Not that Japanese or Europeans want your ugly "engine strapped to wheels" red-neck cars anyway. Ever wonder why the US is such a big market for imports?????? Because the majority of the people prefer them over red-neck cars. So invest in a little eduacation on how foreign business works!!

Date:: 07 Feb 2000

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AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey AC you moron that likes to sling stereotypes around. Most of the imports these days aren't even imports :) If you did a little research you would find out that just about all the top selling imports are actually built right here in the good ol USA :) It's funny...you chastise someone and suggest they "invest in a little eduacation"...kind of like the kettle calling the pot black isn't it? :)

TC 1996 Camaro Z28 (Imported from Canada)

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey TC.... I don't want to start a flame war with you. I just don't like the kind of posts left by muscle car owners. Yes more cars are being build here in the US, and one the reasons is to cut the cost of importing them. I'm no stereotype I just return the favor as to how I receive it i.e "japanese cars suck" "Rice burners". And no I"m no racist either and no I don't put down this country, that is why I joined the USMC. I know you might get a bit upset being the only Z car regular besides Drew but he has a 300Zx.

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey anybody: You guys know what the official color name is for a VR4 I have which looks like a dark plum or merlot? It's the only one like it I have ever seen. That part below the rear windshield which is usually flat black and gets ugly as hell is the same color as the rest of my car. Yes from the factory. Also the part of the headlights surrounding the two round bulbs is also the same color as the car. Is this unusual or what. Reply here or to my email please. debbie_george_dance@bikerider.com. Regards to all, George 95 Merlot VR4 (I used to sign George 95 Yellow VR4 but sold that one and bought this one.

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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What's up everyone! I had posted earlier about the GDI engine built, and pending pattent, by Mitsubishi. I have read several articles about this breakthrough engine design. It suppose to be 35% more fuel efficent and up to 90% less polution. The eye opener was that it suppose to be 50% better in the torque department. Can you believe that!!!! Lets say an SL makes, I believe, 215 ft/lbs of torque; with the GDI engine it would make 322.5 ft/lbs of Torque and is 35% more fuel efficient. WOOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!!!! That is more torque than a stock VR-4 and it's a V6 NA. The future for this Engine design is promising. I have heard of rumors of a future 3000gt from different sources, including an earlier post. I have also seen a possible prototype pencil drawing(not to impressed, but then again that was not the definate design)of the future beast. There is no doubt in my mind that it will sport a GDI engine. If you were to replace the existing V6 TT engine with a GDI, the torque produced would be 472.5 ft/lbs WWWOOOOOOWWWW!!! and keep in mind this is a V6!!! I heard Mitsubishi is supposed to launch the new 3000gt in 2003. I've been going crazy looking for sites that would give me a better glimpse about the future beast, but Japanese auto makers are so secretive about their plans. In a way the element of surprise makes your heart beat that much faster. Since this is a 3000gt/Stealth site I would like for us to begine a search to find more info on the future of this already awesome car.

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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To the previous post:

Dude, that sounds awesome! Where did you find these articles? I'd like to read them if I could. :)

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey Marv, and everyone else interested...

To see the picture of a possible replacement design for the 3000gt go to: http://www4.ncsu.edu:8030/~mjmacdou/

To see an official Mitsubishi article about the GDI engine go to: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/inter/technology/GDIEC/gdi_ti/03_1.php

Oh! and by the way, I was wrong about the GDI producing 50% more torque. It actually can be set to make 55% more torque at 650 RPM!!!!! Can you say MOSTER!!!!!!!!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey Marv, and everyone else interested...

To see the picture of a possible replacement design for the 3000gt go to: http://www4.ncsu.edu:8030/~mjmacdou/

To see an official Mitsubishi article about the GDI engine go to: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/inter/technology/GDIEC/gdi_ti/03_1.php

Oh! and by the way, I was wrong about the GDI producing 50% more torque. It actually can be set to make 55% more torque at 650 RPM!!!!! Can you say MONSTER!!!!!!!!!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Nothing beats racing you own kind. Tonight me and my friend Joey battled out our TT's. I drive a 94 VR4 and he drives a 92 Stealth TT. All in all, our mods equal out.

OH, BTW STILLEN TOLD ME THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A MOON ROOF I CAN'T MODIFY MY SPRING BECAUSE LOWERING THE CAR WILL HARM THE A-ARMS AND ULTIMATELY SCREW THINGS UP. HOW TRUE IS THIS? HAS ANYONE LOWERED A VR-4 WITH A MOON-ROOF WITHOUT HAVING ANY PROBLEMS?

Anyways, we entered the highway by way of an on-ramp that has three curves. Joey "has" Eibach springs in his car and, due to my own fault is riding on the correct size tire. I screwed up when I ordered my tires, didn't realize it till recently. Nitto 555 (235 45 17) OOPS!!! No big deal until I noticed that on the last curve, and at a higher speed, his car held a tighter line. We didn't even look to see if anyone was coming, we just kept it floored for about 1/8 of a mile. Joey braked for something, so I followed. Ahead was a truck on the opposite side of the road engulfed in flames. What a barn-burner! There were four staties at the scen, so as soon as we passed the on-lookers we both, without looking, hammered it. Joey had the lead and I had to come off the throttle a few times so I decided to take my own lane. By now we were into the 130's and I was moving my car passed his about a foot every second. When I took the lead, I was smiling from ear to ear. He probably wasn't, but that's a race you don't complain about -considering the participants. After we drove reckless, endangering everyones life on the road, we slowed down, lowered the windows and began talking while trying not to rub fenders. I never looked but Joey said we were coming up on 150. Not bad. I feel bad beating a "fellow TT" but it's been that way between out cars from the beginning. Even when I was stock and he was modified, I was still rubbing his bumper. This says a lot.

I love racing but I always feel like an irresponsible prick afterwards. God forbid some poor bastard saw my car in his rear view and actually moved into our lane(s). If I had a complete Brembo braking system it wouldn't matter. Not at that speed. I guess the old "Muscle Car" philosophy still rules. Built a car that wins in the shortest distance possible, intimidation an common sense will do the rest.

GEAR OIL UPDATE! GEAR OIL UPDATE!

I recently changed my original gear oil (transfercase) with AMSoil 80W90 fully synthetic rated GL-2 - GL-5. I notice that it take a while before the shifts smoothe out. I don't like this so I checked "Tech tips" Go to links on this screen and then scroll down to Kevin Clark. READ to the end of his post until you see Tech Tips/Tricks. Redline or BG Syncroshift. I went to my local Mitsu dealership and picked up three bottles of BG. Tomorrow I'm going to remedy this shifting problem, hopefully.

If any of you guys decide to change your gear oil make sure to follow that 12 step guide under the same Tech/tips

Greg's 94 VR-4 Sleeper

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Sorry,

misspellings and poor grammar are due to lack of sleep!!

Good night,

GREG

Date:: 08 Feb 2000

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Hey AC / Guys,

I heard my name! who where? .. =) Darn that Import Z car. =) To each his own. As regulars here, we have to understand that we are regulars because we either respect the cars or enjoy a specific car. When people come on flaming it's because they don't have respect. =\ What a bummer if you ask me.

TC, It's good to see someone else here that doesn't own a VR4. It means the board is getting more diverse and understands that we are here to discuss racing, fun, cars, and problems. LOL

Ok, to the juicy part there is a program called ct.exe or cartest which has every car imaginable that you can test it's 0-60 which is all concerned with how you drop the clutch, RPMs, weight, blah blah blah. You can even race different cars.. it's awesome. Too make a long story short I raced the big boys.. 93SupraTT, 93RX7, 933000GT, 90300ZXTT(never changed through the years) Well, the breakdown was always similar. The supra by 2 seconds on the track, the Z and 3/s were always a difference between 1-2 seconds Z sometime, the 3/s sometimes. The rx7 (poor thing) always last!!!

See ya!

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Its just amazing...

...To watch people grovel about how they managed to beat some cars that costs around 20k with a VR4 which goes for around 40k. I mean, I am in love with the car myself, it has a gorgeous and yet agressive shape, and I am sure the 4wd really comes to play in bad weather conditions. If someone told me I can't buy an american sports car for some reason, I would opt to go for the VR4, if not a german car. Regardless of that, I think everyone here gives the VR4 a bad name when they talk about how they beat a 20k Mustang GT or a Camarro Z28. Now if you see a modified N/A engine on the road, and can take on against it, that is a whole different matter. A supercharged Camarro, costing waay less then a Vr4, is a good match for a VR4. Hell, if you can manage to beat a Saleen 351, which is slightly costlier then a VR4, then you really got some bone under the hood and I will applaud you. This and the old 300ZX are the only japanese sports cars I have any respect for, and by all means it should beat anything that costs half its price and I would advice you to take a hammer to it if it didn't.

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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ROOM:

a gut told me you could remove the thermostat and there are no negitive affects on the motor, but the heater won't get as hot. true or false?

NINO.

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Ummm, false, wouldn't you think? I've had several cars before my gt and a few have had thermostat problems.(malfunctioning) You probably could go without it, but if anything were to ever go wrong, you'd have no way of knowing. I could be wrong, but I'm just speaking from past experience.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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That cartest program is very cool. Not completely accurate, but damn close. Thanks Drew.

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Hey what's up guys! This is AC. I hope you had a chance to look at the sites I posted. Anyhow I have a HUGE problem!!!!!. Today I disconnected my car battery in order to "RESET" the computer everyone has been talking about. When I reconnected the battery 20 mins. later everything worked fine. The car feels a bit smoother and the engine a bit quieter. The problem began when I tried to turn the radio on. It asked for some freaking code that I didn't know. Now when I hit the power button all the dash reads os "OFF". This is a major problem for me because I can't drive without music. I'm at a huge disadvantage because when I baught the car it didn't have the owners manual, then the Mitsu dealer said it is out of publication. My car is a 1994 VR-4. If anyone, anyone at all can help I would appreciate it. My only alternative would be to take it to the Mitsu dealer, and they already want $1100.00 for a 60K tune-up!!!!. My radio is an Infinity with the 6-Disc CD player in the back. I am also willing to buy a copy from anyone that has a '94 VR-4 owners manual. I don't need the original a copy amchine copy will be fine. I'll appreciate any help given by anyone. Thanx in advance.

AC '94 (musicless) red beauty

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Bad news AC:

What you've encountered is Mitsubishi/Infinity's anti-theft mechanism. All new cars with it come with a special little read card with some numbers, and an instruction packet for just this purpose. It's supposed to turn away theives because if the power is off for any reason (i.e. stolen) you need that special code to re-instate the system. If you know the guy that owned it before you, hunt him down and ask him if he still has it. Other than that, call mitsubishi directly and ask them if their's some kind of override code. If that doesn't work, your SOL and need to buy a new, aftermarket system. Sorry.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Nino

A missing thermostat in the engine will, in cooler climates and weather, keep your engine from reaching a good operating temp. Prolonged running like that can cause plugs to foul, etc. There is no benefit to taking it out anyway so why bother. If you're trying to get a cooler air/fuel mixture get a better intercooler.

-- Mike 97 Red VR-4

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Room

Today, I dumped this expensive synthetic gear oil AMS-Oil and replaced it with BG Syncro-shift. What a difference, it feels brand new. I think that other oil was a bit too heavy, it had to warm up before it became smooth. This BG oil was smooth from the first shift.

Any news on my spring question? Check my last post.

Greg's 94 VR4 Sleeper

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Greg,

I have heard of that before too but didn't really give it much thought. Go to: http://www.3si.org and in the message board, do a search on Eibach springs or just springs. A few of those guys ran into the same issue and they might have a work around.

BTW, toasted a M3 tailing me on the on-ramp right off Naperville drive(30 miles north of Chicago). Opened up major carlengths(at least 12 cars) on him from 30mph-110mph before he quit. He rides past me a few seconds later with thumbs up. Cool.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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When my thermostat went out, the car would overheat within 10 min of starting it. When the engine in warming up, it doesn't circulate the coolant in the block. (This is to speed up the warming process). Once the engine is at operating temperature, and starts to get too hot, the thermostat will open and start circulating cooler coolant through the block.

If you remove the thermostat, it will only make the car take longer to warm up when first started. I don't know if would cause permanent damage to your engine, but I don't see and advantage to doing it. I wouldn't.

Jason '94 Base GTO

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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to AC '94 Red

You say that the best engine is the most efficient one. that gdi engine should be very efficient if they have been working on it for 15 years. The LS1 is very efficient, I get 28 mpg on the hwy in my 98 formula, not bad for a 320hp v8. I am not trying to make you guys mad but a VR4 is not that fast. If I owned a $45,000 VR4 and got my ass kicked by a $27,000 "redneck" formula I would be upset. The American muscle car will always rule the streets.

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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I am sorry fellas, but I just saw a '99 Nissan Skyline R34 V-Spec f*ck a 3000GT on the track. The Skyline got a 11.3 with only bolt ons. I don't know variant the 3000GT or year or modifications. But it was a fast race, the Skyline killed it on the start, getting a 2 car length lead and the 3000GT was catching up towards the end, but just didn't have enough time. Maybe one of your cars would do better...but that Skyline was MEAN!

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Hey AC,

About your stereo problem, you should be able to take it to a Mitsu dealer and they will figure out the code for you for a fee. I never have that problem b/c I have an aftermarket stereo, but my dealer told me if such a situation occurs, they will decode it and charge somewhere around $100. It sucks, but it's better than spending several hundred on an aftermarket stereo.

Evan '99 base black

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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I think that 3000gt's are cool but,stock they aren't that fast.My ex had a 98 non turbo and my old high mileage T/A well stomped her off the line and from 30mph.However at 80 she hung pretty good but,she had a 5 speed and mine's auto.but my car even brand new was more affordable.Like 5 or 6,000 cheaper and wayyyyy faster.And to the guy with 3000gt wanting to put vr4 emblems on it you must be the most ignorant car person to ever roam the face of the earth if you thought your stock 6 could even hang with any vette ever made.

93 redT/A

Date:: 09 Feb 2000

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Hey Guys,

The Nissan Skyline is mean. Great car. IT's just a big glob of technology. Heavy also... but a little lighter than the vr4. It's more like a brick than a bullet. Surprisingly though, even though it looks like a friggen block plowing through the air it actually is better in the wind tunnel than the Z car. go figure.

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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I think the proper term they used to describe the skyline was a "balistic refrigerator". I read in a magazine somewhere about it. They were comparing it to the nsx.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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Hey AC,

You have to get the stereo's serial number to have Mitsu. decode it and give you the stereo access code. In order to get the serial number you have to get at the back of the head unit. Luckily you don't have to remove the entire dash to get at it, just the black piece around the stereo.

Good luck!

To room: Yes we've all heard about how good and fast the skyline is, but it still looks like a family car.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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GET A FUKKIN RX-7 it is better in every area and it can take out ANYTHING that u want

95 RX-7 R1 543hp. 1/4@ 10.65

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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To the above post.... where I live (MA) the only thing you'll be taking out with 500hp will be yourself when you go slipping and sliding all over the place in the winter months and rainy season.

ROOM: thanx everyone for your responses pertaining to my stereo. I called the Mitsu dealer today and set-up and appointment for tommorow, they said it will be $34.00. I won't believe it until I see the bill!! Did anyone get a chance to see the possible replacement for the future 3000gt? If so what did you think?. I personally was not all that impressed with the hood design.

Marv: did you check out that GDI web page I posted? What do you think?

Once again thanx everyone for the quick responses.

AC '94 (musicless) red beauty

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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95rx-7 r1:

ANYTHING? the most imfamous rx7 dragger (the boy wonder adam saruwatari) lost to a honda civic (steph papadakis) at one of the highest levels of drag racing. go back to rx7heaven.com and leave us alone.

ROOM:

why would you want to run a single i/cooler on a twin turbo motor? wouldn't twin cooler be more efficent? oh yeah i'm only $400 bucks away from getting my car back!!!!!!!!!! after i get i back i want to improve the cooling system any suggestions?

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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Hi, can anyone tell me the differences in a '96 VR4 and the later model years? Besides, the cosmetic differences, are there any major differences in engine and performance? Thanks Terence

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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Terence, The only thing I can think of is an article I read which said the only noticible difference is that the later models '97 and up have a less restrictive air filter set-up. They also said that it makes around 335HP instead of the 320HP publicised. Up around 15HP.

AC '94 (musicless) red beauty

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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Nino: whats up with your car? is it impounded?

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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To Nino, The reason to go with a single and bigger i/c cooler is obvious more cooling of the compressed air. If you've ever seen our stock I/Cs you'll understand what I mean. They are tiny, compared to the aftermarket single I/C. Plus the location of the stock I/C is slightly restrictive compared to the location of the aftermarket unit, which is in front of the rad.

To Terence/Room: I wasn't aware of any difference between 96 VR4 and later models, but that doesn't mean anything. If they did add a less restrictive airbox it wouldn't net you 15HP. Even the K&N FIPK, probably, only gives you ~5HP.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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MY MITSUBISHI 3000GT 1995 HAS 112,453 MILES AND I WAS SHIFTING GEARS AND TIMING BELT SLIPED AND BENT 24 VALVES AND NOW I HAVE TO PUT NEW ENGINE IN THE CAR. THE 95 ENGINE HAS 222 HP AND THE NEW ENGINE HAS 161 HP. I LOSED SO MUCH POWER!!!

CHRIS RYAN, SPRINGFIELD, MO MITSUBISHI 3000GT

Date:: 10 Feb 2000

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WHY R THE NEW MODEL 3000GT HAVE LESS HORSEPOWER THAN THE OLDER ONES? CAN U HELP ME? CHRIS

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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The newer 3000GT's have less horsepower because Mitsubishi wanted to sell more of them, so to bring the cost of the car down, they decided to put the Single Overhead Cam in the Base (taken from the dead steath) and drop the price a few grand to just under 30K.

If you wanted the same horsepower, you need to get the engine from a newer SL model, because these still have the DOHC.

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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TERENCE:

you have to change your name. especially the spelling (that's my real name).

NAMELESS:

no my baby is not impounded, it's have hella internal work done. i want to build a sleeper that you can't tell is modified even if the hood is open. i could have had the car back already if i would stop buying parts for it. the only parts i needed to get myself were the k+n ignition (msd dis4) the boost controller (apex rpm based unit) fuel control unit (afc also rpm based) the mag wires beru plugs and venom fuel pump. i got the boost controller msd and fuel controller all for $600 used off of partstrader.com. kick ass huh. the idea is to make my car streetable all weather and all day. i was thinking about getting a blitz dsbc but the reality is every time you up the boost you need to up the fuel and adjust the ignition. the boost controller is adjustable in three rpm ranges. 3000, 5000, and 7000. so up to 3000rpm it'll be the stock 9.5psi and from it'll jump to 14.5psi and from 5000rpm up it'll be 19.5psi. that way i can play w/ other cars and constantly pick up speed. that way "if" i ever street race i'll have more power when needed. my fuel and timing will be correct at all times. and the fuel efficenty will still kick ass under normal driving conditions. the 19.5psi is the max my old turbos can handle. put my goal is a smog legal 11.8 or quicker on the stock turbos (ya know what that other twin turbo v6 has been able to do) plus the miles on my car were so high i felt the need to upgrade the bottom end.

ROOM:

in case i don't talk to you guys. everybody have a kick as weekend. i just might have my car in time for battle (if i kiss my ex-girlfriends ass enough-4uck that!)

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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I have a neat story...

I have a 92 VR-4 pearl white with chrome rims. I couple of buddies and I were coming from a party drunk in Lexington Ky, and we decided to try to top my car out on I-75 right outside of Lexington at 2:00 in the morning. As soon as the speedometer hit 160 my right frong tire blew the whole center tred completely off. The reverb bent my finder all to pieces and stripped all of my wires from under the finderwell. The fun thing is that the tire stayed aired up completely for like the next month. Just about a two inch strip of tread was gone from my tire. The tires were Michelin 245/45 XGT's. I just don't understand why that could have happened. the tires only had about 8000 miles of wear and tear on them. any suggestions?

Speed 12

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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I have a neat story...

Speed 12

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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DUDE!!!! Be glad you didn't wreck! I'm all for partying and fast driving, but please, do it responsibly!!!! Just because You can handle yourself being drunk and driving doesn't mean WE can handle you being drunk and driving while we're on the road. C'mon man, unless you were the sober one, you deserve this scolding. Ok, now that I'm thru playing "daddy"...It's possible to strip the tread off the center of the tires. It could be anything from a defective "stick" of the rubber to the steel belt, to endless peel-outs that can eventually rip off the tread. Drive fast, but please, drive safely.

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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plus the rating of the tire counts too. get zr's it's worth the addtional funds. NINO

Date:: 11 Feb 2000

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I own a 92 black VR4 stock engine and 18x9' Wheels 275 35 tires, one of my friends have a 94 Ferrari 348TB and ather one owns a 94 Porsche 911 Carrera (993), both cars stays far behind starting from 0 to aproximately 110 mph,they want to try on the highway but i think it will be the same ,i'm surprised of how fast is this Japanese machine!!

VENEZUELA.

Date:: 12 Feb 2000

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ZR rated tires..thats a hoot. I don't see why people buy those damn things...they are soooo over-rated. The only tires you really need are H or V rated...they are rated to 150mph...but not for extended periods. Z rated tires are rated at 149mph+ for extended periods...how many people on this board travel 150mph for an hour? Save your money and buy the cheaper tires...they'll last longer :)

Oh and AC...all this stuff bout the GDI engine...sounds alot like a diesel engine. Also the GDI is available on the "Pajero" AKA Mitsu Montero :) Unfortunately the GDI is not "US" gas friendly as our gasoline contains too much sulfur for the GDI. Don't know if that will ever be remedied...it might just be easier to keep the GDI out of the States. Go figure.

Date:: 12 Feb 2000

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Ive got a question. I have a '92 3000gt sl and is there anyway to increase torque on my car.

Xtreme GT

Date:: 12 Feb 2000

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XtremeGT: No, because your car is a pile of the biggest and finest monkey crap, ever collected from the jungles of argentina. In other words, don't try to rice your car up... it's not meant to be. If by any chance you do end up buying an exhaust to boost the torque on your car (there, I just told you what u can do), then you're gonna have to take your old one out... shine it up real nice... turn that piece of shit sideways, and stick it straight up your candy ass. Oh and have a nice day!

Date:: 13 Feb 2000

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Rock and VR4 owner wannabe get a life you unoriginal ignorant trailer park welfare food stamp inbred toothless chevy/ford driving redneck.

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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Got my music back everyone!!!! It costed me $34 to get the code. Thanx everyone for your info.

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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O.K. story for you... I was coming back from getting my new CDs(I'm a Latin DJ) and as usual I'm on the slow lane cruising. One thing I cannot stand is someone tailgating me!!!! That is why I cruise on the slow lane. Well this new BMW stationwagon wanted to test my patience. Now usually women drive station wagons, but this punk had the "I wish my wife would have let me buy that M3, but instead she decided on this" look on his face. So he's traveling next to me and tries to speed up. Next thing he gets right on my tail. By now we are traveling on a residential area and the streets are full of bumps and pot-holes. I finally had enough!!! I put the moster in second and punched it! Well needless to say all I saw 2 secs later was two headlights I could barely make out in the rearview mirror. I stoped at the light and wated for it to turn. Meanwhile this punk still wants to go at it. When I took the turn I punched it again, needless to say the same outcome. It is funny how drivers would get right next to me and want to race!! This is a constant thing. I guess I'm flattered by the attention but I don't like to race. Especially in Boston which has got to have the worst streets. I know I'm capable of beating the guy next to me. But why? Why must I be forced to put my red beauty through a bunch of pot-holes? and for what? To end up having to buy a new axle? I think not!! Sure once in a while you wanna let it rip! But not all the time, not to prove to the jerk next to me that my car can get there faster. No car can withstand being beaten on a daily basis. People just don't understand that the VR-4 and 3T are not an outright sports car. It is a GT. It has more technology stuffed in it than ANY and I mean ANY other car in it's class. I see posts of people coming in here and saying that it's pretty sad that a $45,000 car can barely beat a $20,000 car. Hey guess what! what else does your $20,000 have besides a big gas gusling engine? Can it even come close to having the technology that is in a VR-4 or 3T? Can it outhandle the VR-4 or 3T? Does it have all the confort of a VR-4 or 3T? Is it as appealing as the VR-4 or 3T? I can go on forever. My point here is that while a $20,000 can compare equal in a straight line it certainly cannot compare to a VR-4 or 3T in anything else. If you think about it all these other people talk about is engine performance! Why? Because they know that there is nothing else there car have that a Vr-4 or 3T doesn't have. But the reverse can't be said. On a final note: I love when cars get right on my tail, usually I have the active aero off. I wait until I'm over 50mph. Then I shift down hit the active aero switch, wait until the wing goes up, and while they marble at it... PUNCH IT!!!!HA HA HA! Man I love this car! And remember this is Mitsubishi's first attempt at an affordable super car, and it has become one the measuring points for all other cars. Now you know all these little draw-backs will be addressed in the next generation, i.e weight. So watch out. Does anyone see where I'm coming from?

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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My story is not a war story but some people were posting their dream cars so I would like to post mine. My friend's dad leased a vr-4 about 4 years ago and I remember it being a very nice car, especially off the line. But it doesn't hold a candle to my dream car: A Dodge/Hennessey Viper Venom 650R. This thing can rip up the pavment like none other. For 165k u get a With a huge rear wing and front end spliter, 13 inch brenmo breaks, new exhaust sys, and, oh yeah, and engine overhaul that gets 650hp and 650lb/ft tourque from 8.4 liters without turbos, and is still street legal. If u want to talk performance: 0-60 in 3.3 tire squealing seconds and a top speed of 215mph. And handling, goes through the slalom at 75mph w/ lateral acceleration at 1.06 g. Those are numbers that burn ferraris and lambos alike. You would be hard pressed to find a car under 1 mil that can perform like that. But before that, I gotta get my degree from GA Tech. In 5 years, look out for me in a 650R (or the upcoming 800R!!!) on the streets.

PTopor@netkonnect.net

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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PTopor@netkonnect.net

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PTopor@netkonnect.net

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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To the Faggot who plays too much Gran Turismo Ok you stupid faggot ass, its a fucking game, get a life homo, go out a little more,

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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You idiot, don't you think some of us VR4 owners would get a Viper if we cared to spend that much money on it. The VR4 is a daily driver loaded with tons of creature comforts. The Viper's just a big engine block strapped on wheels and lacks the luxury of a VR4. It's got no class. With ignorance like that, I doubt you'll make enough money to afford a Viper. Oh, unless you want to live in that car. And believe me, I'd much rather live inside a VR4 than a Viper.

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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I think the reason so many Mustang owners come on this site and start crap with you VR-4 guys, is that for the most part instead of talking about 3000GT's all you do is bash Mustang's. For example a while ago I got irritated and made a post, because I own a 95 Mustang GT Conv. and I love it dearly, but I also think that 3000GT's are great car's too but when I came on this site to talk about them all ya had to say was how much Mustang's Suck. It's true that you don't go to Mustang site and bash them, but it's also true that on Mustang sites they talk about Mustang's instead of making nothing but post about how all other cars suck. So you can sit around forever and agrue over which car's a 1/10th of a second faster than which in the Quarter mile are you can admit that they are both great cars, and just ignore the occasional idiot that comes in here to start shit.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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Mustang Guy

Date:: 14 Feb 2000

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Tsk tsk AC...racing in residential areas....what is the world coming too :) Congrats on blowing away a BMW wagon in a residential area...hope it was worth it :)

Oh and to the Viper lover...wah wah wah...165k for a car with 650 hp whooopte...mine with mods cost about 20k and is pushing that much hp...I haven't even started messing with the handling portion of my car.... :)

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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You're right, Mustang Guy. There are not a lot of car enthusiasts around these days, just people who want to bash other folks cars. I think most people rag on cars that give them good competition because that's just what it is competition. The Mustang Cobra is a good performer. I've had a couple of good runs againist Cobras and by no means are they slow. The driver may not be able to get all the performance out of the car but the car itself is quick. Anybody up for just talking about cars and not bashing?

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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You guys have GOT to check out this link.....

http://riceboypage.com/

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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CHRIS:

Why dont you pop a VR4 engine in the car, and dont tell anyone about it. That would make for a nice surprise.

MARC/MUSCTANG GUY:

I'm all for it. Cars are phat (pardon my NYC). I dont care what it is, as long as it either A:Looks nice, B:Goes fast, and/or C:handles Great. Cars and music are my 2 favorite things. The only thing i like more is a Car playing good Music on a sick system. Or even better, a cute girl driving a phat car blasting good music on a sick system.

Rob 94 SL

Chrome Rims, 240 watt amp + stock amp, 2 baupunkts in the back (on the stock amp), a JL 10" box in the back (on the 240 watt), 4 blown speakers in the front, and no more tint-Got some tix =(

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Story:

I think that mustangs are the best cars ever invented! So Booh-Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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To the post above really???????????!!!!!!!!!

And to every other "muscle car" owner or whatever the heck your ugly-ass chevy/ford/gm car are called:

Why is it that your cars only sell in the US?, when VR-4s are sold all over the world?????????????? Try that on for size!!!

I know you buy your cheap cars because you think you are oohh sooo patriotic! But what you really are is brainwashed! and remember red-neck cars only sell here in the good old USA.

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Ya the engine for my car is coming out of a SL, I did'nt know that the base model didnt have DOHC. But im glad the engine that i am getting has DOHC. Thanks for the heads up!!! Chris

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Actually F-bodies are available (imported) to various countries ...just pick up a foreign mag and check out some of the Dealerships that specialize in "American Muscle" etc etc. They have Camaro and Vette dealers aplenty in Europe :)

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Hey TC, Your car is pushing 650HP, wow! That's really impressive. You have a Camaro Z28 SS, correct. What have you done to that car. NOS, Supercharger, K&N, engine work, gears, what?

My friend has a conv. 1995 Camaro Z28 with 4.10 gears in the rear. How much HP would that give you? Because I can't take his car, my 95 RT/TT is stock. But I have another friend with a TA, 6 speed, Borla exhaust and K&N and I can take him. What's the deal? Me and my friend in the TA where neck and neck on the highway when we punched it and I slowly walked away from him. Is this possible even though, he's got those mods.

To room: I'm thinking of getting a Blitz DSBC, where was the cheapest place you purchased it from?

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Hey jerk, if he liked Mustang's because they were "oohh sooo patriotic!" then he wouldn't be interrested in VR-4's too like he is. So stop being an A#s hole and give the guy a little credit for having an open mind unlike some people.

And by the way American cars are sold all over the World, including the Mustang which has been imported into Cannada & Europe since it was first introduceds in the mid. 60's

Date:: 15 Feb 2000

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Ok now that I've made peace with a few people. I want to try and find out a few things that I came on this site for in the first place. So I have a couple of questions that you will probability think are dumb but I don't know and I'm trying to get them figured out. First I've been able to find a lot of information on the VR-4 from car magazines(And I like it a lot!). But I really don't know anything about the lower models I've heard that one has 161hp and the other has 222hp, and one of them is called the "SL" are something like that, so could someone please clear this up for me. And the second thing I wanted to know (probability a really stupid question but here goes) is that, in the same way a Camaro and a Firerbird are the exact same car mechanically(engine, brakes, tires, gears, ex.) but with a slightly different body style. Is a 3000GT and a Stealth the same car.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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Mustang Guy,

Yes, the 3000GT and the Stealth are the same car.

In 1991-1993, the base Stealth ES was rated at 161HP with the 3.0litre SOHC V6. The 1991-1993 base 3000GT, 3000GT SL(3000GT with leather, climate control, CD, etc)and the Stealth RT had the 3.0litre 24-valve DOHC engine rated at 222HP. The 1991-1993 3000GT-VR4 and Stealth RT/TT have the same 3.0litre DOHC engine with two turbochargers, all-wheel drive, four wheel steering, etc for 300HP. In 1994, the boost for the VR4/Stealth TT was increased from 9psi to 12psi. That increased horsepower from 300HP to 320HP. Torque was only increased from 300 to 307. The Stealth models were discontinued in 1996. In 1997(I think), the base 3000GT received the 161HP engine and the 3000GT SL(Sport Luxury) kept the same DOHC engine but it received the new MIVECS technology(equivalent to Honda's VTEC technology). The horsepower rating went down slightly from 222 to 218. The VR4's engine remained at 320HP until its' demise last year.

ROOM: Please add to this if I missed anything.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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DAMN Mitsubishi and their "brilliant" idea to knock the base model's hp down to 161!!!!! Oh well, at least it can be supercharged.....

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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vr4 are to expensive for a 17 yr old so it looks like i will just have to keep driving my 89 camaro with a super charger till i can afford one. Ha Ha

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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JAMMER: why not the apex super avc-r? it has a built in boost gauge w/ peak hold and overboost warning that i hear is accurate enough to not purchase another. also shows injector duty and allows you to set boost by rpm and gear. pretty kick ass huh? and its only about $50 bucks more at dynamicracing1.com. or try uprd.com they're pretty cheap too. but for a great deal try the dsm.org parts trader. some of the guys will do cod. that how i got all of my electroncis and ignition for cheap.

ROOM: has anyone had problems with their cooling system? what goes first? i think my fans are busted. anyway i'll be getting my car back soon. the only under hood que will be the bov igntions and mag wires. i can't wait to kick some ass. is the autometer a/f ratio gauge any good? how accurate is it? and has anyone used stillens down pipe? i hear the stock exhaust w/ a gutted cat can flow about 400 hp, so i'm looking for and downpipe with the flex zones and a good high flow cat before i do anything too eye catching.

keep smashing. NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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Jammer it's just a regular ol 1996 Z28..not an SS however I had my eye on one forever :) List of mods can be found at http://lonestar.texas.net/~blown/mods.php

Which is my OLD webpage and hasn't been updated in forever :) Basicly my car has... Vortech Supercharger Mildy Ported heads 1.6 CC roller rockers 58k MM throttle body LPE "blower" cam (215/220, 530/540 with 114 LS) Hooker "long tube" headers Custom exhaust Custom ECM 3.73 gears 6 speed tranny and 515 hp at the wheels :) I'm expecting around 550 or so at the wheels after the new fuel system and ported intake and a few other intake fixes are patched up :) Believe it or not the car drives like stock and is fairly quiet...the idle is a little lumpy but it's not over the top :)

Hmmm..95 Z28 with 4.10's smokes you but you beat out the TA with borla and K&N? What year is the TA? Is the Z28 an auto? Actually 4.10's wouldn't yield any hp...it would actually HURT measured hp at the wheels :) When you step up gears extra friction etc=less hp to the ground but the extra gearing more than makes up for it :)

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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Nino

I have the Autometer A/F ratio gauge (phantom...white face with black bezel) and I love it. It seems to be fairly accurate but I wouldn't depend on it. I'm using it just as a "filler" as it's just below my boost guage on my pillar mounted pods and just didn't want an empty whole there. It uses "bars" that semi-rotate around the guage to report the AF ratio. IE. towards the lean side are a bunch of red led's and towards the rich side are bunch of green leds and it moves back and forth by lighting up the appropriate leds with yellow being in the middle.

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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Hi TC, The TA is a 94 or 95. I don't understand. The TA is a 6 speed and the Z28 is an auto (and a convertible). I don't understand either.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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i was looking at that dynamicracing1.com page and it said an upgrade for a non turbo is an unorthodox underdrive pulley w/belt set. have any of you guys put this on. and is it worth it?

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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ROOM,

I'm all for Marc/Mustang Guy's Suggestion.

I spend more time scrolling through non-sense than I do reading interesting posts. Usually it only takes me a few seconds to find out what's "cool" about Any sports car. Fact: every car has its good pts and bad pts. Accepting another car first requires the "not-so-intelligent" car enthusiast to look BEYOND ITS NAME. After that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Cars are like women, if you look at them in detail, your bound to find something intriguing.

Maybe this cite should require a "sense of humor" as a pre-requisite.

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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DAMN 4.10's in an auto :) That thing must really sing on the highway....the gearing for the automatic is 1st 3.06

2nd 1.62

3rd 1.00

4th .70

So at about 70mph in 4th gear the Auto is turning around 3k rpms...maybe you should try your friend in the auto from a 70mph punch...he'd quickly run out of gear (I calculate he'd top around 120 if not lower). Most people I know with automatics pop in 3.73's as the "ultimate" gear. 4.10's must be hell off the line but take him from a roll and I bet it'll be a different story :) Just for comparison's sake a stock auto f-body (camaro/firebird) tops around 150ish...the 6 speed maybe 1-2mph higher and my cruising speed (when I had stock gears 3.42 with my 6 speed) of 80mph was just under 2k rpms...where as your buddy would be turning over 3krpms a the same speed....with a stock redline of 5700 rpm..that convert is not very highway friendly :)

Damn I babbled alot..if it didn't make much sense email me at tc2297@aol.com and I'll try again :)

Date:: 16 Feb 2000

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I have a question on the 94+ Vr4. I was wondering what years active aero was produced and what exactly it does??? I have heard it is prone to breaking, is this true?? I am considering a 94 yellow Vr4 or a 97 Black Vr4, any suggestions on which is a better choice. Also if anyone owns a yellow 3000gt, could you tell me what it compares to, i have seen pics and they look really dull and I was wondering if this is what they really look like or if it is my computer??? Thanks a lot!!

Date:: 17 Feb 2000

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Hey Marc, This is AC. I wanted to know if you know of any company that makes headers for the vr-4. I have been going crazy trying to find one, but all I see are headers for civics and integras. I want to have more exhaust flowing out and I figured I start at the head of the source. Is this worth the money anyway?. You said you had a downpipe on your beast, but is a downpipe by itself worth it(I know you did more than just the downpipe)?. My ultimate goal is to have a 3" all around exhaust sytem but looks stock, although I don't know if it's a good idea to spend + $1000 on an exhaust system just to gain an extra 1/2 inch in diameter. Also, when I start my car up the muffler has a very sweet throaty growl and sounds very nice. I was wondering if the stock muffler is supposed to be quiet. I don't know who owned the car before and I did buy it from a dealer but didn't care to ask, I was too excited, so I don't know if the previous owner had done any mods. I doubt it because evrything looks pretty stock especially that big air box with the tiny opening!. I appreciate any feedback. Thanx.

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 17 Feb 2000

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AC,

The only company that I can think of at the moment that has headers for the VR4 is ELP Motorsports at http://www.elpmotorsport.com. As far as the downpipe is concerned, an aftermarket pipe is much better than the one that comes with the car. The aftermarket downpipe gives you better flow from the turbos on back to the catalytic converter. At the moment it's only netting me about 8-10 horsepower and it will be worth it's cost once I get the larger 15G turbos. The small 9B turbos on our cars are not producing much airflow to really see a significant difference. In other words, the bigger turbos will need a better downpipe to really make a difference, like 25-30 horsepower. I have the Borla catback mufflers with the 2.25" tips and with the two I immediately noticed better throttle response at higher speeds than before. If you don't plan on upgrading to larger turbos, you probably won't miss the downpipe. Definitely get the K&N FIPK if you haven't already. Also, if I remember correctly the stock exhaust does have a low deep rumble at idle and under acceleration, it's fairly loud.

To the question about Active Aero,

Active Aero has been around since 1991-1996 for the VR4. It's purpose is to provide downforce on the rear of car as it increases speed above 40mph(I think it's 40mph). I can tell you that these cars are ROCK SOLID all the way up to at least 140mph. That's the fastest I've gone in my car anyway. I have a Solano Black 97 VR4, which has the short Supra-like spoiler on the back. Still, rock solid. I have heard that the active aero system can be a little funky, especially when the car has been sitting up for long periods of time. The yellow paint, to me was not a good color. It is flat looking, it doesn't jump out at you like a good yellow color would. If it had the Porsche yellow color to it, that would be awesome but it's far from that.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 17 Feb 2000

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WHO SAYS $2 DOESN'T BUY YOU ANTHING?

Guys,

Today I proved myself cheap. I'm home sick, so I decide to make my car faster. I did some research on the ol'bleeder valve trick, and I decided to give it a shot. NOTE! YOU MUST HAVE an aftermarket boost gauge before you increase your boost this way!!!!! I went to Walmart's aquarium section an picked up the imfamous 3-way brass connector Model # 1156A ($2.13, but who's counting). Next, I purchased various sizes of vaccum hose - ya never know. When I got home I re-read the information on the procedure. Go to www.3si.org/ or www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/9589/turbo_basics.php and read up (latter site preferred).

Betweeen Roger's diagram and the scematic under the hood I located the Solenoid valve and hooked up my bleeder valve. Next, came a "careful" series of experiments to confirm the rumors. First, I closed the valve and noted my peak boost. It was normal - about 11-12 peak. Note: These peaks only last for about 2 seconds, then the pressure bleeds down automatically. (See! Your stock boost gauge has been lying all along.) I pulled over and opened the valve "a hair." Picture this, it's 35 degrees, and I'm on the side of the road, in my fucking slippers, adjusting a $2 valve newly attached to my prize possession. Someone slap me! Off I go. This time the needle peakes out around 13-14. I was so concerned with making sure I did not exceed 15psi that I forgot to notice if I gained any power. Once I repeatdly peaked at the same #s I switched my attention to her performance. Oh yes, there was definitely a noticable difference. I figured 15psi was my limit so I opened the valve "another hair."

MY BRIEF MOMENT OF FEAR

After adjusting the valve for a third time, I decided to hit the highway and try her under normal driving conditions. Everyting seemed normal when I was cruizing, but the real fun was when I dropped the hammer. I noticed that I was pulling away from other cars harder than normal. Of course, this distinction in acceleration was brief, but it's those brief seconds that make the differnce.

On my way back, I'm cruizing about 60-65. I downshifted to 3rd and wacked it. Watching how she reacted to the demand, I noticed that she peaked at 15psi. Ut..oh! It was at that second that the engine made, what felt like, a minute pause. That was enough for me. I figured either my y-pipe popped off or detonation. Eitherway, with a jerk of the wheel I was in the breakdown lane. I popped the hood and closed the valve that "extra hair." And I'm STILL in my fucking slippers! When I pulled onto the highway, 1st and 2nd were gone in seconds. I peaked at 14 - good enough!!! Just then I noticed I was just shy of 100mph. Holy shit! That was the best $2 I ever spent.

Frankly, I'm scared that I'm hurting my engine. I know she can handle 14.5psi all day, but it still bothers me that my engine is at the mercy of this bleeder valve. When I got home I secured the valves adjustment nut with a piece of electrical tape. I seems secure. I hope it is.

Guys, I'll take any advice you can give me, even if it's "take that thing out." That only take 5 seconds. Don't try this unless you've done your reading and your not over zealous. Going for max boost will only hurt you car. Not to mention, trying to get that y-pipe reattached while your standing on the side of the road is impossible.

I'm going to keep an eye on this valve. I'll let you know how I make out.

COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE THEM

Greg's 94 + more VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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One more thing,

would you regap your spark plugs after raising the boost to 14?

Greg

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Greg,

You have found out what I and many other VR4 owners have discovered about the valve bleeder. While it's true that it works, the stock fuel system is not quite up to the task of pumping out more fuel to handle the high boost. 15psi and up is the danger zone for our car's stock system. Three things you could do to remedy the situation. 1) Upgrade the stock fuel injectors and fuel pump, possibly the 440cfm injectors by RC Engineering(highly recommended) and Walbro or Denso fuel pump. 2) Do what I did and just go with an electronic boost controller(Blitz DBSC, Apex AVC-R, etc.) You can preset the levels of boost and forget about it. Keeps a tab on maximum boost levels(Peak Hold) and a slew of other features. 3) Water Injection system to lower the temperatures in the combustion chamber which will eliminate knock. You can see how much more performance we can get out of our cars with just a $2 part. It's just the beginning. Once I finish with everything I want to do with this car, I should have a 470HP daily driver that can pull 4 second 0-60's and 12-second quarters but retains it's stock attitude. I love it.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Marc,

A couple more questions. As long as I stay 14.5psi and under am I ok? I mean, will the stock fuel system, ignition, etc handle the increase? You mention upgrading the injectors. I think we have 360 inj stock? Our cars run rich stock. Right? So, if I put in 440's could the stock system support the fuel demand, or is a fuel pump necessary?

Next, I want to find a better controller. I've read about the Hallman manual controller and have seen another. Do you know of any place that would sell these types of valves cheap? The hallman is $90 but the principle behind it is elementary. There has to be something available. Home Depo had nothing.

Sorry to hammer you with these questions, but I'm addicted without cash. I'd rather find a semi-sophistocated manual controller and spend cash on something like injectors. But, like I asked, can the stock system handle 440's or am I then stuck upgrading the fuel pump.

Thanks again Greg

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Hey, I was wondering if anybody else with a base model has dyno'd their car? If anyone has, what were the wheel HP and Torque for it. Also was it stock or have mods. My dyno figures seem a little low for some reason, but the car is fast as hell. I can't figure it out, their can't be that big of a driveline loss from a front driver.

Thanks for any help. Jason '94 Base GTO

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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ROOM:

FOR ALL THE POOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF LOOKING FOR PARTS FOR THIER CARS: GO TO DSM.ORG TO THE POWER PARTS SECTION. THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF PARTS FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL THEM. I GOT A BLITZ DUALL TURBO TIMER FOR $50 BUCKS. THEY HAVE KICK ASS DEALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Hi Greg, Yah, I was thinking of doing this mod. as well, once spring rolls around. But I have the same concerns, the valve opening too much, and I don't notice the psi. That's why if I do it, it would be the electronic boost controller. BTW, where did you buy and how much did the afermarket boost gauge cost?

Yes you should regap the spark plugs any time you increase the boost. The reason behind that, is, once you increase the air density in the cylinder chamber you must reduce the plug gap. Because as we all know air is a good insulator, in order for the spark to jump the gap between the electrodes must be reduced.

Yes if you stay below 15psi you won't need upgraded fuel pump and injectors. That's correct we have 360cc stock. Increasing the injectors will not help if the fuel pump can't handle it. For example, imagine if you removed your garden hose and replaced it with a fire hose, you wouldn't get anymore water coming out.

Why don't you go fo an electronic boost controller. Now that you've connected an aftermakret boost gauge you don't need and EBC with an electronic boost gauge. I think the GReddy profec units are pretty inexpensive, compared to other units.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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ROOM:

just got off the phone w/ stillen, and they make a 3" d.pipe with the flex zones that removes 2 of the 3 cats and is a direct bolt-on. kool for those of us that are trying to stay smog legal. forgot to get a price tho. also, talked to gt pro and the 9b to 14b conversion won't work. one is a td04 and one is a tdo5. but i promise i find a cheap turbo updrade. why can't things be like grand turismo? 11.4 1/4 mile on the stock turbos?

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Gotta respect the mustang

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Guys,

Today we were hit with 6inches of snow, so I decided to revamp that bleeder valve mod. I went to tech/tips under 3si. Graingers sells some really nice "spring and ball" loaded air regulators. The model # that the 3si site calls for is #2Z767 (1/4" mini air regulator) BUT the better one is the 1/8 mini air regulator # 6ZC33 ($15) the mounting bracket is separate #6ZF65 ($5). You can see these in photos under http://www.graingers.com/ Do a search under "air regulator" and they'll pop up. You will also need two brass hose barbs. Unfortunately, graingers smallest barb was a hair too big in diamater, so I went up the street to a industry supplier an found smaller ones. Oh yeah, the purpose of this experiment was my attempt to bring the regulator inside my car. Problem? Where do I mount I. Even though the regulator is cool looking, it clashes with my interior. Ultimately, I mounted it under the hood in the area where my K&N filter is. If you look you may have one available hole to screw in the bracket. This thing looks like it belongs!

IMPRESSIONS: Well, I didn't get to test out the valve because of the snow, but I like the valves construction - it looks feels sturdy - can handle up to 250psi...hahahaha. The top of the valve rotates when you pull it out (like setting the time on your watch, first you pull the knob out then you turn it). When you've found the correct adjustment you snap the top back down and that's it! That puppy won't budge if you tried! I know this will work and it cost me about $30.

So, here's my update. If you need any additonal info just ask.

INJECTORS! Pretty expensive, even 440s. Tip. The 440 injector comes stock in turbo eclipses. Call your local junkyard for some burried treasures. If this sounds wrong, blame the dude at Altered Atmospheres - he told me so.

Have a good weekend

Greg's 94 VR4 Sleeper

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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I don't see how that Stillen down pipe helps. If you look at the picture in their catalogue the pipe that extends upward in the middle is supposed to attach to the rear turbo, but in order to do this that part of the downpipe needs to be much longer. That's why its a bolt on -it bolts onto the rear cat. Ulike the front cat, the cat for the rear turbo is not easy to get at - its up there. So it seems like your only freeing up resistence for the front turbo and not the back turbo? What good is that? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Greg

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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gotta say fuck your mudstain!!!!!!!

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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gotta say fuck your mudstain!!!!!!!

Date:: 18 Feb 2000

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Marc's 97 VR4 Sorry I was gone for a while my computer was down for a few days. Anyway thank's for the info. there's just a few more things I wanted to know. I've heard that the lower model 3000GT's are only front wheel drive, is this true. And do they also have Independant Rear Suspension, and all wheel steering like the VR-4. And!!!!!!!!!! Why the Heck would they drop the VR-4, I'm an American Muscle Car guy and even I Love it.(That and the Mazad RX7, and the Toyota Supra Turbo they are great cars I don't care what Country makes them.)

Mustang Guy

Date:: 19 Feb 2000

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People like that guy above my first story are just a stupid as the people who get on here and yell out stuff Like "Rice rocket's Suck," are "Jap. Car's Suck." There's Little difference between them there just fighting on different sides.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 19 Feb 2000

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Jammer,

Sorry I forgot to answer you question in my last post. I have a mechanical boost gauge by SPI. I ordered it from Altered Atmosphere 301-294-2700. The gauge was $40-50 the A-pillar was $25. Works fine. A bit of a bitch installing it, but I'd be happy to tell you how. Oh yeah. Biggest problem, the gauge's illumination didn't match my interior. It has a black background and white letters.

Remedy: Why spend $100+ for an amber gauge when you can by some heat resistant orange paint and lightly spay the bulb. The color is perfect.

Greg's 94 VR4 Sleeper

Date:: 19 Feb 2000

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To Mustang guy: Yes, the base and SL models are FWD. But I wasn't aware the SL had 4WS, I think that's only on the VR4.

To Greg: Thanks for the info, regarding the boost gauge. I'm so compelled to go out and do the bleeder valve mod. because it's so easy and inexpensive, but it's also very dangerous. I'll wait 'till this spring to decide if I'll do the EBC or the manual bleeder valve.

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 19 Feb 2000

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It's been a while since I've been here. Here's my kill list:

1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1=Stock. Raced for one block. Beat him from the start to the end. Any farther and I would been Vette food!

1996 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra Convertible=Stock. Easy win.

1997 Chevrolet Corvette Automatic=Stock. No challenge.

1996 Pontiac Trans Am WS6=Stock. VERY CLOSE! But I edged out at the end.

1989 Porsche 911 Turbo=Modified to 450bhp. Got him on the start, but got murdered quickly. Cruised on the highway doing about 120. Porsche stayed in front because he has a radar detector. On our way to the racetrack.

I love all of these car's and would not mind at all to own them.

STEALTH=Black 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo=Stock.

Date:: 19 Feb 2000

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Greg,

If you decide to go with the bleeder valve, you must also get a boost gauge so that you can keep an eye on the boost. I would HIGHLY recommend one of the electronic boost controllers because boost is nothing to play with and you want something that will constantly keep a tab on spiking and/or overboost. I have the Blitz DBSC and I'm very pleased with it. It allows my car to safely run up to 14psi without spiking or overboost. I can set the safety levels and the EBC makes sure that the turbos are operating at those levels. I know you're running low on cash but save up, these things(EBC) are well worth the money. Also, I believe the 1st and 2nd generation Talons and Eclipse turbos have 450cc injectors. Also, if you do decide to upgrade the fuel system, look into some sort of fuel controller(AFC).

Mustang Guy,

Yes, like Jammer mentioned, the lower models are front-wheel drive, no rear-wheel steering(only in the VR4)and I believe they do have independent rear suspension. Who knows why they were discontinued, not selling well, expensive, etc... The ones that are available on the used car market are getting snatched up constantly. Dealers who get them(VR4) say they sell very quickly, so the demand is there.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 20 Feb 2000

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Drew:

Where did you get that program Cartest?

STEALTH

Date:: 20 Feb 2000

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Bleeder update:

Today was the first day for my new air regulator. The immediate downside was having to pull over to make the necessary adjustments. I found the sweet spot and I locked it in. Even after 60 miles, I didn't have any problems with the locking mechanism - no overboosts (yet).

Marc, I have an aftermarket boost gauge (SPI), and I notice that under WOT the gauge will climb quickly to its peak but the needle jitters. Is this normal? Or should that gauge be smooth under WOT? The factory gauge, although inaccurate, never jitters.

Also MARC, have any more info on those eclipse injectors. Are they compatible? If they are I know that I'll need a better pump, filter, management system. But, if they are compatible (I mean just swithching them out...cool) its worth it. Tell me more man.

Greg

PS I know its not my computer but does it always take so long to submit a story under this site?

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Mitsubishi had it all wrong with the 3000GT line. #1 the VR4 was way too heavy. #2 the styling was obviously derivative. #3 twin turbo engines obviously aren't very popular here in the US (further proven by the death of the Supra and 300ZX). #4 they were too expensive(partly because of the cost of the 2 turbochargers).

If Honda can squeeze 240 HP out of a normally aspirated 2.0L 4banger, then Mitsubishi should be able to get [at least] 300 HP out of a normally aspirated 3.0-3.5L V6. If they could develope a powerful normally aspirated engine, drop the VR4's weight to under 3,400 pounds while keeping the AWD, redesign it to be more original looking, and drop the price of the VR4 down to about $35,000, then they might actually have more success with the 3000GT line(or its replacement) if they decide to market it again in the future.

There's my constructive criticism for the day.

Best regards, Bill......a fellow automotive enthusiast

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Okay guys, I need some advice. I have a '93 VR-4 with 52,000 miles on it. I bought it about 6 months ago. Almost immediately the clutch went, so I replaced it with a Centerforce for $1200. Okay, no big deal, but 3 weeks later it starts making a sound that's kinda hard to describe, almost like a loose belt or something. I bring it back to the clutch place, who now informs me that I need a new transmission for $6000.00. The car RUNS FINE. It just makes this annoying noise for the first 10 minutes I drive it, which goes away when it heats up. Of course I don't have $6000, so I told them to reassemble it, and now they've had it two weeks because now they get a "check engine" light now that it's back together, and apparently it runs like crap. So, I have three questions for those of you who know more about these cars than me: 1) If it's running fine, do I really need a new transmission? A noise isn't that big of a deal to me, it still drives fine. They won't even guess at how long it's gonna last, is it even a sure thing that it will fail? 2) I know sports cars are expensive to maintain, but if I replace the transmission (meaning, eventually replace it, when I actually have $6000 to waste again - this isn't my daily driver), can I expect my car to last a while? At this rate, the first six months of repairs cost almost 50% of what I paid for the car. Repairs that are a few hundred bucks aren't a big deal to me, however, if I spend $6000 on this car and end up needing another $1500+ repair within six months, I'm gonna be pissed - in other words, should I just sell this thing? What else can go wrong? 3) Any ideas on what could be causing my car problems after they stuck the transmission back in? I don't have any real details about what it's doing, supposedly just sluggish I guess. After I'm done posting this I'm gonna call up the place and chew out the owner since they've been so terrible about taking care of this (TWO WEEKS!?!) and see if I can't get them on the ball about fixing it.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated!

Jeff '93 VR-4

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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BILL,

Constructive criticism is always welcome. And yes, VR4's do have a weight problem. Are there any pros to having a heavy car? When it comes to speed - no way. But, I have to admit. Our business is cars and I've seen a lot of cars fold like tuna cans in an accident. The VR4 is a solid car an that is a comforting feature. When you close the doors on our cars you can hear just how solid they really are. Traction is another pro. I live in RI and AWD is useless unless there is weight over it. Although there are less pros than cons concerning the VR4 weight, I still appreciate the design. I disagree about her body style being derived from?? I don't know what your refering to. Actually, her curves are rather unique. I've studied her style from all angles. When my dad and I switch cars I sometimes catch him around town. My VR4 is something to admire. I always catch people looking too, so I beg to differ on that point. Turbo powered cars are more popular than ever. The demise of the other TTs is irrelevant for the car market continues to see new versions. ie. Audi's S4 bi-turbo. Euros don't call them "twin turbo." They are very expensive to replace or upgrade, but that goes with the territory. I guess you can always by a naturally aspirated version of any sports car and start from ground zero. Or....hahah

The 240hp 4 Bangers are great engines. But an engine like that would be impractical in other applications. Let physics be the short answer and marketing concepts the longer. We could debate this stuff all day. Bottom line, the Vr4's engine is a noteworthy; especially the bottom end...its race design quality. Anyways...have a good one Bill and stop by again.

JEFF,

Every 3000/Stealth makes that "ticking" noise if that's what your talking about. And the sound comes from your engine (lifters I think, Marc will correct me if I'm wrong) It's normal and really of no concern. Tell those tranny guys jump in the lake. Go to a Mitsu dealer and buy three quarts of BG syncro shift tranny fluid. She'll take almost the entire amount. Tip. Loosen the filler plug BEFORE you remove the drain plug. If that filler plugs frozen your in for a small project.

IF your tranny is making the noise....ouch Dude I feel for you...my friend just had his rebuilt for about $2500. Problem is you have to find a real "machine-head" who has this type of experience. Every day tranny shops won't help you.

Good Luck

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Greg,

The quick response is much appreciated! I just got new news on my project, they've decided to send it to another shop (since this place is primarily a clutch shop) to figure out what's wrong with it (the check engine light and sluggishness - I think they told me it was error code 53?), supposedly will be fixed by middle of the week. Is there any way for *me* to tell if it's the transmission? Like I said, car runs like a champ (that is, before I gave it to these bozos!) It doesn't have a lick of trouble shifting or running. I actually have a friend that works at this same place that I took it to, he's great at basic car repair but most of this is over his head (he's the delivery guy for this company), and he's relatively certain it's coming from my transmission (he told me that prior to me even bringing it in there.) It's not really a ticking sound, it sounds like a belt that's loose, it whines.. and it goes away after the car's warm.. after it's been driven it won't do it until it's sat for a couple hours.

As I've stated, what throws me off is the performance issue. You'd think if there was something wrong with the transmission, I'd have a shifting problem or something? Then again, I know a lot of terminology but when it comes to sticking my head in an engine, I'll be the first to admit that I'm clueless.

Anyway, if this is at all relevant, they changed my transmission fluid when they put my clutch in. (Same place, a clutch shop) Any chance the wrong fluid could do it?

Thanks,

Jeff '93 VR-4

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Jeff,

First things first. Many of your answers can be answered online. You need to familiarize yourself with the VR4 and its complexities. First, go to the top of the screen and go to links. Scroll down to 3000 stealth international. Go to tech tips by john adams. Read these posts. Want to read about my tranny oil experience go to my 2/8 post Gear oil Update. You said your car runs fine and there are no problems when you shift. Right? Where do you live? How cold is it. I sprayed some belt dressing on the belts about a month ago. Actually, the sqweek got worse before better and then it vanished. I've heard my friend complain about certain sounds during the start up period. I've had one or two myself but they go away. Thank God. Who owned the car before you? A kid with a heavy foot. Maybe its time for an early 60k tune up including the timing belt. Your going to have to do it anyways. Hell, mine has 52K. I'm fucked pretty soon too. While your under "links" scroll down to Kevin Clark's post...read it...then at the bottom of his post are more links...read Roger's Gerl (i think)....read read read...the more you know the better you'll feel. Many people don't know jack about these cars. Call Stillen, 18005762177 ext. 166 Ryan. He knows a shit load about these cars, because he owns one.

The better you describe your problem the more likely someone here will have an answer.

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Hey what's up everyone!!

I'm glad to see we are finally getting down to what this site is supposed to be about(having a place to go when you have a question regarding our cars). Fist things first, I too have the "ticking" problem when I start my car up. I live in MA and you know it gets really cold. My guess is, if everyone else is having this problem it should be no big deal. Second, I notice that the "ticking" sound stayed ticking when I last put gas in my car. Ofcourse I only put in 93+ octane in it. This time however, I got my gas at a no name place. The ticking was horrible and loud!!! Luckly I had on put in $5 worth. When I had to put in more gas a day later I went to the Citgo pump. When I drove off I immediately felt more power and the "ticking" went away. My point here is while you may fill it up with 93+ octane a great deal has to do with the quality of the gas itself. I usually fill-up with Citgo or Texaco, and never experienced that "ticking" sound other then when starting up. Does anyone want to add to this?

This past weekend it snowed very hard up here. On saturday I took my car to the car wash. Guess what was parked next door? That's right a fellow VR-4. This was the prettiest black VR-4 I have ever seen. It was jet black and had some cosmetic trim-paint on it. It was really shinny. I got out of my car went over to the guy and said "nice car", he said "likewise". I could tell it was a '95. He asked if mine was a VR-4 I said "yes". The reason he asked was because I removed all my stickers from my car, I like surprising people. Anyhow we went about our business. He finishes before me and waves good-bye. I was not gonna pass up this opportunity! I jump in my car and take off. I pull up next to him and notice that there is a woman next to him driving. No matter, I wave to him get in front of her and punched it. It was the first time I red-lined my car. I was GONE!!!!!!!! 2nd gear 80mph. Even I was surprised. Keep in mind I'm fully stocked. I get to a red light and eventually they pull up next to me. He asked "do you have bigger turbos?". I was surprised!! I said "no evrything is stock". "I'm thinking of putting bigger turbos on mine". Then he says "like I said, I've gotten in so much trouble with this car", then he says "I got caught doing about 180mph". They make a left and I kept straight. Now I have never seen a car take off on me, needless to say a fellow Vr-4. Are these cars really that fast flying by you. I mean when you are driving you don't have much time to feel a whole lot. First my eyes are glued on the RPM needle and second you have to worry about running out of road space. Can anyone help me out here?. I would like to see Marc's beast and some of the other modified beasts next to me. That way I can see what it is like seeing a 3800 pound rhyno on the charge!

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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what cars can a base model beat?

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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AC,

You live in Mass. Right? What part. I travel out to new bedford 5x a week.

I live in RI if your ever in the neighborhood let me know.

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Well, I've beaten base model Camaros, Firebirds, Mustangs, even a Mustang GT (not sure if it was a shitty driver or what, but he wanted to race). Also beaten Civics and Probes, not sure if they count, heh heh. But I'd probably be killed by my fiance's Grand National and her sister's Banshee. By the way, this is to response to the person that wanted to know what they can beat with a base model 3000GT. '94 3000GT

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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Lookin for 94+ VR4 or RT/TT for sale...prefer mileage less than 50k..email at tc2297@aol.com..thank you :)

Date:: 21 Feb 2000

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I too, have the lifter tick. My dad took a look at it and said that it's nothing. It's a light "deisel engine" kind of sound that you can barely hear. This sound on alway's on my car and never stop's. Even when I push it, it still click's. From what I've been told this lower's power, but it still feel's fast for me. Does anybody feel slower or faster?

Another sound is coming from the left of the dash, I guess from the engine, A loud sucking turbo sound. It get's louder at a higher rev. It sound's really cool.

I had a transmission problem also with my tranny where I had to change, I think it was the crank shaft, I'm not sure.

Does anybody have any problem's with the Exhaust Silencing system. A year ago, they had closed and would'nt open, I got them fix and reopened. Now the exhaust on the left is clogged and I have never used the system since I got it fixed. What's the problem?

STEALTH

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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Let me tell you where my stock exhaust is. Leaning against the wall in my garage...forever. That adjustable exhaust is cool but just another bell and whistle. I imagine very expensive to replace too. Want a stainless steal muffler for under $300. go to http://www.xtecmotorsports.com and search under 3000gt. check it out. Have a local muffler make you a new ehaust...total it cost me $325 (that's only one side, didn't want dual). Take out main cat while your under there. looks killer, sounds even better

Greg

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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Greg,

I live in Boston. That is where I go to school. I'm waiting to do my 60K tune-up. Once I get that done my projects are: try a ram-air induction, manual boost control, new boost gage, I want a complete exhaust system. I want a new header, downpipe, high-flow cat, high-flow cat-back. I want 3" all around. I don't want to get into the engine, just strictly bolt-ons. It is hard trying to find parts for our cars. All I find on the web are headers for those damn Hondas and Acuras!!!!!!! Any suggestions? Thanx in advance.

Room: I have been reading about Toyota's next killer. It is called the "Ultimate Celica". It is a 500HP 4 cylinder monster. I saw the pics of it. It looks like the new Celica on some serious juice. And yes, it is AWD turbo. Does Mitsubishi have it's worked cut-out or what?. Go to www.rodmillen.com/racing/ucelica/ult_cel.php to read for yourself.

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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Greg,

This is yar matha! Yar spendin' too much time on this silly web site!

'94 sleeper....I had a sleeper...I just flushed it in the toilet!

LOL...

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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Jeff,

I wish I could have talked to you before you bought the car. You definitely needed to get an extended warranty on a used VR4. The trannys are notorious for going bad, especially when the car has been run very hard, aka, 5K clutch dumps. With 52K miles, you really should've had the dealer do a 60K service on the car(replace timing belt, filters, water pump, spark plugs, etc). I don't expect you to know this, is just bothers me when people spend their hard earned money on something and things go bad. The trannys on the VR4's can go bad with very little warning. I would get the tranny replaced, did you get some type of warranty from the dealer when you bought the car, at least a year? You never know how the previous owner treated the car. The tranny will fail at some point, no matter how much you baby it, the Getrag transmissions in our cars are pitfull and unfortunately the weak link in the VR4/Stealth TT. The tranny fluid and the clutch fluid are the same. If you can hold out Jeff, get a extended warranty. I heard that Platinum Warranty Corp. has a good 3yr/36K warranty for a decent price. They check out OK with the Better Business Bureau, so that's encouraging. Watch them(people working on your car) carefully! With a new or rebuilt tranny, the car shouldn't be sluggish at all. Keep them working on it until the car is back running the way it was before you gave it to them!

Greg,

Sorry I didn't get back to you. Yes, the 1st generation Talons and Eclipse 450cc injectors are direct replacements for the injectors on the VR4. BTW, 2nd gen injectors are 440cc. About your aftermarket gauge, it is actually measuring boost. The boost gauge that comes with the VR4 measures boost as it RELATES to rpms, not the turbos themselves. That's why it's inaccurate and never jitters. One more thing, I don't think the fuel system upgrades are cheap at all (ARC2-GP $1K, injectors $200-$600, fuel pump $150-$300, etc..)but if you want to run at 15psi and above, the upgrade is a must.

The ticking noise usually are the lash adjusters which keep the pistons in alignment. This is a very common and somewhat annoying quirk with our cars, turbo and non-turbo but no cause for concern. I've tried a product called Berryman's Total Fuel System Clean-up http://www.berrymanproducts.com which cleans the combustion chamber, intake valves and injectors. Great product, eliminates the ticking 90% of the time and the car wants to take off with just a slight tip of the gas.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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I just wanted to say something about all of you who want to modify your VR-4's. My friend bought a 92 stealth TT and wanted to race my stock Z-28. He was discouraged because I could beat him by over a car length, so he purchased an HKS boost controller. He raised the psi from 9 to 20psi and went from a 14.2 to a 12.8 1/4 mi. He street races it everyday and has put over 20k miles on it with the boost controller and it still runs perfectly, and the extra performance only cost him $350. Now obviously he can beat almost anything he races.

Date:: 22 Feb 2000

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that boy running 20 psi...actually 19.5 is heading for trouble. better lower it to 15 or start saving for a new engine.

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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One nite while driving in my 92 SL I came to a dead stop in the middle of the road behind two 5.slow's getting ready to race with there flowmasters n all. I was so pissed that they held up traffic for everybody on the road that I felt it was my duty to teach them a lessen. So I dicided to join (Nevermind they were already 1/4 mile down the road). I gun it. It takes me no time to catch up and blow by them at 135mph like they were standing still. After spanking them I dicided to slow down since I could not even see them in my rear view anymore (plus there was a red lite). A few seconds later there came the two 5.slow's again one to my left and one to my right. Lite turnes green as I begin whooopin on bolth of them again. Will mustang owners ever learn?

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Marc,

Thanks for the response. Nope, no warranty, got the car from a private owner. :( Wasn't aware of any design flaws at time of purchase besides the timing belt. The timing couldn't be worse of course, I'm buying a house in 3 months and I'm still a little short on the cash for that right now (Because of buying the car.. sigh), so I have to take care of that prior to doing any car repair. Maybe after it's back together I'll see if I can sell it, get most of my investment back (I only put 3,000 miles on it before this happened.. sheesh), and get another one with a warranty after all this is over.

-Jeff '93 VR-4

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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86 porsche 944 single turbo with few up grades has busted two many 3000gt vr4 to count, or 300zx twin turbo, only found one heavily modified RX7 twin turbo that could give me a run for my money.

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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ok i have one question. can you upgrade a 99 base model? please help.

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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i am new to this site. i just have one question. can you upgrade a 99basemodel? the hp sucks

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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how much does the injectors cost? should they be flow match and blue printed? which are better the 450cc or the 440cc? are these only the injectors from the turbo models or all? what about a cheap fuel pump upgrade? and are there any high performance tranny rebuild kits for our cars?

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Hey guys. What ever happened to the War Stories? We should get the webmaster to set up 2 different rooms: one for mechanical discussions, and one for War Stories. I really miss the good old War Stories that everyone used to posed, especially the ones about that screwy '89 Jimmy.

Jared "Stealthman"

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Hey whats up guys its been awhile since i posted here but i just bought a 95 3000gt vr4 spyder,i paid $32,000 for it it has 12,000 original miles,good price?I still have my boxster,i gotta tell you the 3kgts are everything you guys said it was and more it was hard as hell to find it though,and to the people who say a camaro can out run a vr-4 mines the convertible and i spanked a 98-00 trans-am from a stop light i dont know if i would have beat him if we got over 50 mph any body know?But i just thought id come here and share my new toy with you guys. Robbie,porsche boxter,and 3000gt vr-4 spyder.

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Room:

Who has the most miles on their VR4? Mine is a '91 with 108K miles. The only major repair so far has been the output shaft of the transmission. It still runs strong with an electronic boost controller and Borla exhaust. I am wondering about the long-term reliability.

Dave_VR4

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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ROBBIE:

welcome back

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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my rt3 had 131k but shot a rod because of a broken piston. the idiot before didn't take very good care of the car and the dealer gave me a faulty mech history. the crappy part is i had four different shops/mech look at and they all claimed it was in excellent shape. the tranny also is trippen. but the rebuild of the engine (and cooling system) is almost complete. then i can start on the turn and stop factors. appereance is last.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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TO NAMELESS GUY:

Yes, soon you will be able to upgrade your base GT with a supercharger. There's a guy I'm talking to who's designing a kit for it and my car will be the prototype. He's being conservative with the fugure until he gets the car and claims it'll have gains somewhere between 60-75 horsepower with 5 lbs of boost and no other mods, though he did recomend them. The supercharger, along with a new exhaust, intake, and other misc. mods will get you in the high 200, maybe even 300 hp range. I'm probably being overly optimistic, but the thought of a base GT being able to hang with a stock VR-4 has me tickled. In the strait-away anyways...

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Marv,

When you get that FWD beast up and running, let me know, I want to race you, which is very rare because I don't normally initiate racing. Base 3K at 3100lbs. give or take a few pounds with 300HP. If you can get off the line half way decent, you might give me a good run. If you win, which is very possible, I wouldn't be upset and actually it would be quite funny. By the way, where do you live?

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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to the base 3000 with the supercharger

congrats on the whole thing, but is slicks in your list of mods? kinda weird to have slicks on a FWD. ha ha. no harm intended, just throwing a little humor around.

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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HOLE-Eee-SHIT!!!!

I finally discovered a 3KGT / Stealth page with up to date posts Didn't have enough time to read many of the posts above, but here's some war stories:

Me: Male, 43, 2 kids: 16/F and 20/M (he's in college) The car: 92 RT/TT, Firestorm Red The beater: 85 Nissan King Cab 4x4 Location: Rural Pennsylvania My insurance: Allstate The premiums: $318.50 a MONTH. Yes, you read correctly. That's why the expletive intro.

Short story on the insurance: The car is fast, what else can I say. I was driving up I-81 one Saturday afternoon, and ended up in a 3 way "I dare ya" with a Camaro and Mustang and me. I was driving my usual 80 or so. They flashed past me at about 95. I goosed it and oozed past them at 100. They upped it to 110. So did I. Then 115. So I finally took it to 120 and after a few miles, we all backed off. I hopped off I-81 onto I-80 towards Jersey. Still pumped from the fun, I eased it down to 90. Ooops. Hello, officer. $190 fine and who knows how many points. I missed the next month's insurance payment by ONE day and Prudential dropped me like a hot potato. Got them back - cancelled all our company's accounts with them (about $100,000 a year) and switched insurance carriers. Now I was classified as "high risk". PA law requires that someone insure you when this happens, Allstate took me. After reading the above insurance costs, I'd say they TOOK me. To the cleaners. I'm going shopping tomorrow!

Radar detector purchased.

SNOW - after 4 years, we finally got enough snow to get the car stuck in. about 12 inches is the limit, after that, the car starts to hang on the underbody and AWD does nothing when the car is lifted 2 inches off the pavement. It's great fun, though, to pass the Explorers, Blazers, et al, on the highways when the snow is making the roads slick.

More Speed: Got nailed again a year later, on the PA Turnpike. 84MPH, says the trooper. He already had someone pulled over and his radar gun was on and the detector saw him at the same time I did. No way, says I. I appeal. Hire the best lawyer and go to court. $800 (happily paid to the lawyer) later, I am aquitted. "Only my 2nd aquittal of a speeding ticket charge in the past 20 years" says the judge. Kept lawyer's business card for future reference.

More Speed again: Pulling onto the expressway on the way home from work, a Mustang Cobra comes out of nowhere and flashes past me. I was in 3rd gear. A/C was on and the window was down. I slam the shifter to 2nd and ooops, go to 4th instead. Mustang is about 4 car lengths in front of me. Back to 3rd and I pull even. No time to turn off the A/C or put the windows up. Mustang lunges forward. Stealth is even. 110 mph - even 120 mph - Mustang is 1/2 car length in front of me. 130 mph - 'Stang is now one full car length ahead and I surrender. The wind noise at 130 sounds like a jet exhaust.

Less Speed: March 1999. Noon. I'm waiting for oncoming traffic to pass before I turn left into golf course parking lot. My brother is directly in front of me in his Ford Ranger. Suddenly <BANG>, I am rear ended by a drunk in a Ford Tempo. $10,000 damage (the car looks great, though!). Tempo is demolished, looks like an accordian. Stealth also collided with bro's truck, wrinkling the right front fender. Drunk driver is removed from scene in handcuffs.

Fast forward to today. The car, driven daily, has 125,000 miles on it. Everything is in good working order, but has never had a tune up. It's time. 2nd gear is also pretty clunky, I see a tranny fix coming. Anyone prepared to give me a guess as to how much that will cost?

Feel free to email me. I'll try to keep up with the posts, though.

mike21b@redrose.net

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Mike,

New trannys are running in the $5000-$6000 range, re-built about $2500.

Room: If you have a VR4/Stealth TT and the warranty has expired, get a extended warranty as soon as you can. I don't know when my trans is going but I still have till May 2002 or 25K miles before my powertrain warranty expires. I will be covered by someone the day after it expires. I do not have $6K sitting around for a new tranny.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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Robbie I would have to say that the new camaro's and trans am's(f-bodies technically)can hang/beat a VR4. They are highly overrated and with a competent driver are pretty quick down the 1320 :) I know a few guys in the AFB (Austin F Body Club) that with totally stock LS1's (latest generation of camaro's) posted rear wheel dyno figures in the 300-310 range...which is more on par with the Vette's hp rating of 345 at the flywheel :) David Titternery(sp?) posted a high 12 with his 98 1LE which was stock except for removing the air filter I believe...I haven't seen a stock VR4 post a 12 second 1320 :)

TC Keeping it real :)

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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To the guy talking about beating "5.slow's" in a SL, I'm having a little trouble swallowing this one, how is it that you beat (are massacured as you describe it) two extreamly lite weight cars that have 225hp, and as you said were motified beyond that, "with there flowmasters and all." With a much heaver car with only 222hp. Those car's run 14.31 in stock form, which is by no means up to VR-4 standard's but is enough to handle a SL.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 23 Feb 2000

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I didn't want to piss people off with that last post I think 3000 GT's are great car. But like that guy TC above me said, Let's keep this real. Come on facts are facts. Which goes along with my response to the guy talking about comparing base modles. Heavier base 3000GT 161hp. vs lighter base Camaro with 200hp. are an even lighter base Mustang with 190hp. and on top of that you claim to be faster than a 260hp, 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 in 14.0 Mustang GT. Like I said I love 3000GT's don't get me wrong. There good looking fast cars. But don't become so upsested that you distort facts.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Hehe hows this for a experience. My second car was a 92 RS Camaro with a wheezer of a 5.0 engine rated at a dismal 170 hp and 250lbs of torque. All I had done to it was a flowmaster catback and modified the stock intake a lil. It also had 100k miles and badly worn shocks that made for a very "launch friendly" "handling unfriendly" ride :) Needless to say the older "pop up" headlight 3000gt NON-VR4's fell to that 5.0 RS many a times...I never raced one of the newer "non pop up" headlight base models with even the wimpier engine :) Took it to the track and stock it ran 16.2@83mph..after the "mods" if you can call em that it ran a 15.8@88mph :) I'd say an SL beatin a stock 5.0 was either an act of god or human error :)

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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HEY MARC:

I should find out today or tomorrow when to send it in for the mods. He said either end of this month, or the beginning of next. I live in Orlando, FL. but make frequent trips as far north as North Carolina. I'm trying to keepm the miles as low as I can on the car, so I ride my motorcycle about 98% of the time. Thats' cool about the racing thing. If your near the area, there's a drag strip nearby here that alot of my co-workers go to every once in a while. (we have a pretty big following of racers here. 1 C5, a supra TT, a HEAVILY modified mustang, a modifead camaro, a regular camaro, and a couple of others)That way we don't have to worry about tickets, or accidents. I'll be sure to post the progress as I get the info on it. I'll be driving it around this weekend and hope to beat a few ricebys that have been pestering me for the past few weeks. My girlfriend is also coming down for a few days, and beleive it or not, constantly asks if she can drive it. She likes fast cars. :)

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Hello,

I own a 92 dodge stealth rt non turbo with 222horse and 201 torque. I have left everything stock exept for a kn air filter. I have a gtech pro and have a best 0-60 time of 6.1 seconds and a quarter mile time of 14.6 seconds. Has been a great car and enjoyed every minute of it. Getting ready to trade it in on an early 90's corvette. As far as racing: All stock mustang gt's are slightly beatable, except the 99 and 2000 models. 93 and up Z-28's arent, the bases are easy. THe vr4 is extremely quicker and so is the 85 and up corvette. This is for my car. Just sick of all the hipe when I know the truth. James.

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Have a 92 stealth rt non turbo. ON my g-tech I have a best 0-60 of 6.1, quarter of 14.6. Has 222 horse and 201 torque stock. Have kn air filter. Raced almost everthing. Stock mustang gt's are all barely beatable except for the 99-00 models. 93 z-28 aren't, possibly the automatic. VR4's are extemely quicker. 85 and up vette also. Can beat any base mustang, camaro and firebird. They are obviously an easy challenge. Just sick of the hipe, here to share the truth.

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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So your telling me a Base camaro outfitted with the 200hp 225 torque 3800 series engine and with a curb weight of around 3000 lbs is easy prey ? :) I'd think it was fairly close :) As I've seen the lil base camaro's take down some of the 4.6 mustangs :) This one time...in my first car..my saturn SL2....I totally beat a VR4....I just down shifted from 5th to 2nd and totally beat his ass....my 124 hp and 2500lbs were too much for it.

=sigh=

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Mustang Guy and TC,

I had a 93 3KGT SL and I can tell you that I've tried 5.0's and lost early in the race. I eventually matched their speed but that was after they had a 5-6 carlength lead. Now the Camaro RS, I didn't have any problems with those, I flat smoked the RS. I raced a later model Z28, the squarish car(don't know what year) and I edged him out, I mean less than a 1/2 a car length. I also tried a LT1 Z28 while on the highway and held him off from 60mph to about 90. After 90mph, he blew my doors off and I expected that(275HP vs. 222HP). The SL's are a slouch off the line, that's why I was always game for running while on the highway. They have good power in the midrange just like the VR4 but slow down considerably after 110mph.

Gotta go!

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Maybe some body can help me,im looking to start modifying my new vr-4 soon and was wondering what should i start eith first,should i let the mitsu dealership do the installation?I'm planning on putting arond $15,000 to $20'000 dollars into the engine,where would that put my quarter mile times at?Hey whats up nino.well i gotta be going now,see ya. Robbie,95 3000gt vr-4 spyder,1998 porsche boxster

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Robbie: So are you in love with your Spyder or what? I love mine to death. As far as a list of mods go I would go with the hks dual tip catback exhaust, hks upraded intercoolers with hard pipe kit, hks bpv(I've heard of problems with other brands), upgraded air filter (I use hks super mega flow). These mods are the "basics" prior to installing new turbos and will net you around 430hp. When your ready, go with maybe a 15g turbo, denso 720cc injectors(RC inj. suck at low rpm), ATR down pipe with high flow cats, GT Pro y-pipe(the stock one can't hold the higher boost), new clutch (as the stock one will fry almost immediately), and last but not least try to get the GT Pro split second ARC2. ($1000 by itself but is by far the best on the market for A/F mixture control and street drivability. Beats the VPC/GCC hands down. These mods will net you around 520-540hp. I just did the latter mods to my car and it was about 5k in parts and 1.5k installation. Enjoy your toy 96'Caracas red 3KGT Spyderman

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Who do you buy an extended warranty from? How much should it cost?

Dave_VR4

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Here's one of the golden rules about car ownership that everybody should know and follow.

"Just because you can afford to buy it doesn't mean that you can afford to maintain it and repair it."

Simply put, I could have spent $30,000 on a mid-1980's Ferarri 328 GTSI, but I wouldn't be able to afford the car's maintanence and repair costs. That's why I spent my $30K on a brand new Chrysler 300M. Fun car to drive, luxurious, low mainanence costs, reasonable insurance payments, great gas mileage. I don't have to worry about having to replace anything expensive on the car before I sell it since I always pamper my cars. I even have a little money left over to put into the engine. OK OK OK enough preaching.....

Now, on to my first "war story." I thought I'd bring this up since everyone has been talking about racing Mustangs lately. I was getting onto the freeway yesterday on my way to lunch and right beside me was a 1994-1995 Mustang 5.0L GT convertible. I could tell it was an automatic by the sound of the exaust when it was accelerating. The long 2-lane onramp(slightly downhill) merged into one lane about 1/4 mile ahead of us, and I heard the guy floor it in the Stang, so I figured "what the hell, let's see what my baby can do." I put the petal to the metal at which time the Stang was about 2 carlengths ahead of me. About half way down the ramp I finally got even with the Stang. We both kept our pedals floored but I slowly inched past him and beat him by a carlength right when the onramp began to merge into 1 lane. Winning that race really made my week! Of course, I don't intend on doing a lot of racing with my 300M. I'll save it for special occasions, like the one yesterday :-)

Bill...fellow car enthusiast...2000 Chrysler 300M

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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ROBBIE:

you suck!!! $20,000??? I stuggled to put close to $6,000 in my motor(all internal work). Plus there's still a sh!t load more to do to the motor. The only shop on the west coast that actually specializes in our cars www.gtpro.com. they should put in you the low 10's or high 9's w/ a bomb proof motor. they're in l.a. do me a favor when you're done go kick craig paisley in the ass.

ROOM:

check www.eclipseclub.com. their website is the bomb! a sh!t load of tech info in the modifications section. (i new i should've bought a first gen dsm)

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Hey, I recently bought a 92 3000GT SL, I always like to have a repair manual for my cars, just in case, but I can't find one for the 3000GT. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance

Mike's 92 SL

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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Hey, I recently bought a 92 3000GT SL, I always like to have a repair manual for my cars, just in case, but I can't find one for the 3000GT. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance

Mike's 92 SL

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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TO the ones that don't have faith in the base model 3KGT, I will stand firm that I've beaten 5.0's and have tied with Z28's in a straight line. I've even beat a 289 mustang that had just the driver in the car and I had four people in mine, it was up hill and the mustang had a head start. Just like SOME mustangs can beat SOME VR4's, SOME Base 3KS can beat SOME Mustangs/Camaro's. I havn't raced any of the brand new 260hp mustangs yet. In case your wondering, my engine mods are K&N intake, big bore throttle body, custom cat-back exhaust, Paxton fuel pressure reg., Jacob's 8.5mm plug wires, and Apex Super AFC. When track season starts this year at Sears Point here on the west coast, I'll post my times. BTW, I too was curious as to which car was more fun to drive, my '94 Base DOHC 3KGT, or an american muscle car. So, to satisfy my curiosity, I bought a '93 Pont. Formula. I can tell you, the pontiac sounds better, but when it comes to driving anywhere but a straigh line, I say the 3K wins hands down! (My opinion) Thats why my wife gets to drive the Formula and not my car.

To MIKE: If you want the repair manuals to our cars, you have two options. 1) fork over close to $450 dollars for the factory repair manuals that cover every detail of the car (not recommended). 2) go to WWW.ALLDATA.COM and pay $30 for a CD ROM with _most_ everything you'll need. Probably the best 30 bucks you'll spend on the car.

As for the camaro RS's and V6 mustangs, It wouldn't even be close, I've got a friend that just bought a 2000 V6 mustang with a stick shift. I'll ask him to help me prove it.

I also run faster than my brother's just restored and rebuild from the ground up '71 Camaro RS with a 350.

To Marv's Base Sleeper: Is your car the SOHC or the DOHC, and will the supercharger kit work with either one?

Please no flame wars, I was mearly defending those on this board that get ignored and made fun of because we don't have a VR-4.

Jason '94 Base GTO

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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hey guys i have question i have 94 3000 glass over the head lights can you take them off and clean behind them it looks like they are sealed in there good. thanks eric.

Date:: 24 Feb 2000

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hi i am also new to this list but was reading where do you get your bolt ons from. I live in MN and have only found one dealer and his prices are un real. About the ins thing i am 22 3 tickets when i was 17 and pay 73.50 a month for insurance on my 91 3000 gt vr4. if you guys can e mail me back with the places and or web sites that would be great mail to teresarunke@aol.com

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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To Robbie:

Congrats on the new car. So which do you like better the Boxter or the VR4-spyder? You’re going to spend an extra $20K for modifications, man, must be nice to have money. Well one thing somebody neglected to mention is an Electronic boost controller. Since you have a lot of money to spend, get the Apexi Super AVC. It’s got a great LCD display for boost pressure and it’s got fuzzy logic which will reduce boost spikes. Don’t get the HKS super mega flow unit. They’re not as good as the K&N FIPK. Also you can gut the cat. and pre-cats for better low-end torque. Also a better blow-off valve, and lower the car.

To Bill 300M / Room: You mentioned the maintenance of cars, and it’s so true just because you can afford the car doesn’t mean you can afford to fix it. Just to let you all know, I was checking for brakes (rotors and pads) last year, I called a mod. Shop after the guy looked up the price for my RT/TT he told me the price of the brakes is more expensive than a Ferrari 328. I would assume the price of our brakes are on par if more expensive than a Ferrari 348. Just something you should know since Bill mentioned a Ferrari 328.

Jammer: ’95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Hey guys! (and girls, if there are any)

Since discovering this website (finally did a search on "3000 GT VR4" instead of "Stealth" or just "3000GT", it's been great fun so far. I'll keep coming back

I see that there are flamers in here calling us fags and other (OMG!) nasty names. Well, fuck 'em. I've been on the net for years and find this type wherever I go. That's fun, too.

Equally interesting are the posts from the guys who are telling us about driving 170mph+ in their VR4s and RT/TTs. The car mags can only top them out at around 160. Hmmmmmmm……….. Reminds me of my days as a motorcycle mechanic and racer when I worked in the Kawasaki shop and the guys would come in and talk about doing 150 in their KZ-1000s - a bike that peaked at several mph below that. I've always wondered if these guys were looking down at the tach instead of the speedo. Or if they dared to look down at all at that speed!

Personally, I have had my Stealth up to 140 and was scared shitless. Not that it wasn't steady there, but the scenery flashes past at an ungodly rate and any slight curve in the highway makes you feel all 3800 pounds of car fighting Newton's laws. I'm no pansy ass (well, maybe I am……), I've driven bikes on the road at 130 and at -that- speed, the wind is doing it's best to rip your arms off.

Email me pics of your cars! I like seeing others who love theirs too. (show me yours and I'll show you mine!).

Mike21b '92 RT/TT, F-Red, stock, except for wheels from a '97 VR4 Michelin XGT tires (the best ones by far) (126,000 miles on the car)

mike21b@redrose.net

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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What's the story with water/alcohol injection kits?

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Had a fun run last night. A guy and gal in a Honda something with VTEC (?) emblems (looked lowered a bit and sounded like there was some exhaust work done) pulled up next to me and my daughter (4 1/2yrs old) in the left lane and started the speed up slow down ritual. I decided what the hell and dropped to 2nd and mashed it (from about 35mph).

As I shifted to 3rd I slowed up to wait for them. They wanted to go again and my daughter was telling me to "zoom faster daddy". This time they got a serious jump (again from about 35mph)as I was telling my daughter to hang on and trying to downshift. I was passing them by the top of 2nd though and as I hit third third I started walking away. I slowed at 75 and waited again.

We did it once more from a dead stop at a light. I didn't even rev to launch. I just slipped the clutch a bit to help spool and left them 4 or 5 lengths behind by the time 2nd gear was running out. Zero to 60+ even without the drop is enough to tame most other cars.

They pulled up and chatted a bit then. My daughter wanted to "do more zooms" but we had to head home. She's got the right stuff though. Can't wait til she's old enough to drive. Get her in the SCCA and let her roll!!!

Not much of a "kill" and not much speed (75 max) but it was a blast listening to my daughter giggle and ride me about going faster.

Mike (Red VR-4 / stock)

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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to marv,

what is the cost for upgrading a basegt with a supercharge?

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Mike,

Check out Vineet Singh's Manuals On CD - http://manualcd.dsm.org He has made copies of both manuals and the sell for around $30. It's all on the web page check it out. '96 Caracas red 3000GT Spyderman

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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RE: What's the story with water/alcohol injection kits? Water/alcohol injection is used to cool down the cylinders to help control detonation and knock. One of the by-products of this is better mileage due to less gas in the mixture.

Robbie: Jammer was correct about the need for a boost controller. Gutting the pre-cats will definately help low end torque as well but you will likely get a check engine light if you have the 2nd gen models. If you live in an area with emissions control a check engine light will automatically fail the test. One more thing, our cars are different from their brethren in that our car is about 200 pounds heavier because of the top and when the top is down all that weight goes over the rear springs. Be aware of this if you want to lower the car as most aftermarket springs will not support the additional weight and will squat the rear too much. You would need to go with some kind of adjustable system like the ground control coil over springs or Eibachs then uprgaded shocks like GABs.

Hope this helps, '96 Caracas red 3000GT Spyderman

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Spyderman,

So do these water/alcohol injection systems help performance at all? What does it cost? And, at what point in stagged modifications are they recommended? My mods are K&N, BOV, Exhaust (main cat is gone!) and increased boost to 14.5. Looking for another mod without getting into the real expensive shit.

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Well, I finally upgraded my '94 Eclipse and bought a '97 Black VR-4. Pretty nice, it came with only 9752 miles on it and had never been wrecked. (Think it was leased from what the dealer said). At anyrate, I want to add some good bolt on mods, so what should I begin with in order to bring me into 'stage I' so to speak?

Ruiner, Black '97 VR-4

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Greg,

The water injection system allows you to introduce higher levels of boost by keeping the chamber cooler under high pressures. If your turbos are stock, I would say that your gain would be minimal as your turbos can't supply enough air to be able to run over 14.5psi anyway. You say you have boost set to 14.5 already. Is this with a manual boost controller? (I didn't see a boost controller listed in your mods.) Have you gutted the pre-cats? I would recommend this if you don't need smog checks in your area. As for the next step in mods, I'd say intercooler upgrade and hard pipe kit (about 2k and around 10Hp) After that your ready for the turbo upgrade. I say to do the intercoolers first because when you upgrade the turbos you also need to upgrade the injectors to handle the increased air flow/fuel demand as well as a fuel controller to correct the mixture and lastly a y-pipe as the old one will likely blow off. (Turbos $2000, Inj. $800, Fuel controller $500-1000, new y-pipe $350). Another reason to do the intercoolers first is that if you do the turbo mods without the intercoolers to cool the intake air you will likely heat the cylinders too much causing pre-detonation and knock. At that point water injection or intercooler upgrades would be necessary anyway.

water injection would be about the last stage in upgrades.

Have fun '96 Caracas red Spyderman

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Greg,

The water injection system allows you to introduce higher levels of boost by keeping the chamber cooler under high pressures. If your turbos are stock, I would say that your gain would be minimal as your turbos can't supply enough air to be able to run over 14.5psi at high rpms anyway. You say you have boost set to 14.5 already. Is this with a manual boost controller? (I didn't see a boost controller listed in your mods.) Have you gutted the pre-cats? I would recommend this if you don't need smog checks in your area. As for the next step in mods, I'd say intercooler upgrade and hard pipe kit (about 2k and around 10Hp) After that your ready for the turbo upgrade. I say to do the intercoolers first because when you upgrade the turbos you also need to upgrade the injectors to handle the increased air flow/fuel demand as well as a fuel controller to correct the mixture and lastly a y-pipe as the old one will likely blow off. (Turbos $2000, Inj. $800, Fuel controller $500-1000, new y-pipe $350). Another reason to do the intercoolers first is that if you do the turbo mods without the intercoolers to cool the intake air you will likely heat the cylinders too much causing pre-detonation and knock. At that point water injection or intercooler upgrades would be necessary anyway.

water injection would be about the last stage in upgrades and I think they are around $800.

Ruiner: Check the modifications section on the top left of this page. It has alot of useful info. Have fun '96 Caracas red Spyderman

Date:: 25 Feb 2000

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Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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I'd have to agree with the Mustang Guy. If i remember correctly, my SL model isnt nearly as heavy as the VR-4 at about 3325 lb(i think). After i learned to launch, its beena tossup between my SL and my friends 97 Stang GT.

ROOM: After dealing with dead stock foglights since the summer, i'm probably getting new blue ones tomorrow. I went "car stuff" shopping today. (ie: air filter and fog lights)Found these nice Fogs for $80 and told the guy i would be back when i got some cash. Later that night i wound up goin through my pockets and found 120 bucks. I never keep all my money in one pocket and i dont keep any in my wallet in case something bad happens i keep most the cash, my id and my credit cards. Needless to say i'll be goin back tomorrow. And the guy at the other shop said he'd be gettin some new air filters by friday so i'll have my next paycheck by then. (Cool thing was, they were working on a VR-4 from Pennsylvania when i got there) Next thing i gotta save up for is my exaust. Cool $h|t.

Rob 94 SL - Chrom rims, 240 watt amp, 10" sub, no more tint =( soon to be phat lighting and a filter.

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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Wow, a twin turbo V6 with 320 horsepower. I'm sorry, but that is some fuckin achievement. Good Lord, a boost controller! Now you can turn that PSI dial way up and burn out your engine even sooner. Whoopeeeee! Don't forget to also buy those cool looking Japanese decals for your windows.

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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to everyone that said an sl can't beat a mustang GT, that's sh*t. My friend had a 93 SL, five speed, and could beat his cousins 97 Mustang GT with an auto, but he had H pipe, flows, shift kit and a cold air intake. And mustang guy, no stock gt's ran a 14.3 except the 99-00 model.

Also my friend sold his SL and got a 92 stealth, twin turbo. I drive a 93 Z-28 and the only way he could beat me in a race was if I f*cked up bad off the line. I could beat him from a drive pretty easily at any speed up to about 120.

93 Z

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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Thanks for the information,Now about which one i like better between the boxster and the vr-4 spyder,just put it this way after i step out of the vr-4 into the boxster i feel like i just stepped into a volkswagon beetle speed wise,I still like the boxster but the vr-4 looks awesome and is fast,I never realised how slow the boxster was.Nino how much performance gain did you get with $6,000?Would $20,000 put my quarter mile times in the 12s?Where do i get a g-tech pro from?Anybody ever tried one,and are they accurate?WEll gotta run see ya.Robbie 95 red 3kt vr-4 spyder,and 98 porsche boxster soon to be traded for 00 boxster s.

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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I normally enjoy just reading the posts on this page but feel compelled to relate my "horror" srory. Some of the posts lately are concerning purchasing extended warranties on vr4's. I recently purchased a 92 vr4 and paid $1600 for a 2year extended warranty. That decision probably kept me from jail time. After owning the car for one week the transmission went out, the electric motor for the driver seat went dead, electric antenna quit, and the a/c went out. Some bad luck. The warranty company was not to happy but believe it or not covered all repairs and labor minus a $50 deductible. The total cost of repairs was around $9500(all work done at a local Mitsubishi dealer). That is over half of what I paid for the car. My advice to anyone purchasing a used vr4 would be to definitely purchase a warranty. I did test drive a 95 Spyder vr4 but decided not to buy due to the price and the amount of wind noise. I know the 2nd gen. cars have 320hp as opposed to 300 for my 92 but my 92 feels quicker than the 95 spyder. Does anyone have any data on performance difference between the two cars?

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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Scott-92vr4

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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ROBBIE:

i was supposed to go to the track this weekend but it's gonna ran tomorrow. anyway mr. gude did all the work the pistons were:$1049.00 and rods:$1195. as you can see that's a 1/3 for parts. throw in knife edge crank and all mr. copper new gaskets. plus hone the manifold and cylinder walls match port the manifold and bore out the throttle then coat everything w/ ceramics (walls, pistons, manifold) throw an msd dis-4, mag wires and regapped beru plus, unorthodox pulley, k+n filter w/ stillen adapter, guttted pre-cats, random technolgy cat, greddy bov, and reprogram the ecu to run 12.5 psi and i was quoted 400hp to the wheels w/o being fine tuned (lack of four wheel dyno) the msd is useless until then. i believe it tho. theres a guy around town whose '99 gsx runs 12.5 on street tires. first time i raced him (when i was bone stock, even tho now the only thing you can see now is the msd k+n and magnecors, bov is in stock location hard to see if you're not looking for it) he kicked me in the ass several times by several car lenghts. last night i won it all at the nhscc king of the hill races. it's only 1/8mile but it projected i could run a 12.3 1/4 (12.0 is the quickest you can be to run) then we raced (on the way to the freeway from a stand still) and i kick him in the ass several times. managed to walk about 2 lengths which makes me think my car is a little faster then the 12.3. but i have a few bugs to iron out with the cooling system. next week i'm going to uprd to get it fine tuned on the dyno and the track to get a time slip to post. but based on racing mark (99gsx) i say it was worth the money. no worry about throwing pistons just need to do a turbo rebuild($300/ea), fuel pump and new clutch and hopefully i can hit my goal of 11's on the stock turbos (think the exhaust system will have to go d.pipe and exhaust). then its on to brakes and suspension. oh... it should be mentioned i stripped quite a bit of weight from the car. like close to 300lbs. how? just look behind the drivers seat, and remove EVERYTHING. (everything but the plastic around the lights.) no b.s. it handles much better and even has better gas milage. so the price wasn't too bad.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed" again.

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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93 Z

Have you even been to a quarter mile track? :) If so then you would know that your "no mustang Gt's ran 14.3 except the 99-00" statement was dead wrong :) My car buddie has an 86 gt with 150k miles on it and nothing more than bumped timing and it ran 14.1@97mph...before that it was stuck running 14.4. The 96-98 Gt's with the weak 4.6 are the slow ones. They usually posted times in the high 14's low 15's for a coupe with 5 speed...where as the convert with auto would run anywhere from low 15's to high 15's :) The gen previous to the 94 mustang restyling could and DID run low 14 second quarters stock and with a lil bump of the timimg(CR of around 9 ish and are tuned to run on 87 octane) and some gears could pull mid 13's for very lil money :)

5 days away from about 700 hp :)

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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Nino:You got 400 horsepower for 6grand,man your car must fly,after you go to the track keep me posted on your times.My vr-4 spyder draws a lot of attention when i put the top down,i love this car,see you,Robbie 95 vr-4 spyder,98 porsche boxster soon to be traded for 00 boxster s

Date:: 26 Feb 2000

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To Jason '94 base GTO and '96 Caracas red 3000GT Spyderman: Thank you for the info on the repair manual CD-Rom's. It sucks to tear apart your car without a reference to let you know you're doing the job right.

ROOM: Last week I put Bosch platinum sparkplugs in my car, and while changing the plugs, I noticed that there was a carbon buildup inside my intake plenum and intake manifold. The throttle body is perfectly clean, and the buildup starts at about the midpoint of the plenum. My car has over 100k on it, and the carbon deposit wasn't too big so I think that it is normal for those kinds of miles, but if you think otherwise, please respond on this board. Thanks.

I don't have many warstories, I've only raced a friends slightly modified '99 Eclipse (beat him pretty bad) and a '99 Z28 (got beat pretty bad). Other than that, if I pull up next to someone to try to race them, they either don't look in my direction, or wait until I leave the stoplight before the start to go. I guess the car's a little intimidating on the street. Well, I gotta go.

Mike's 92 SL

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hey everybody! I was wondering if anyone has ever had any problems with the transmission in a 92SL? Any Info may help. Thanks. NATE

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

I'm selling my Supra Turbo and buying a used 3000 (less than $14K). At first I had my heart set on a VR4 (especially after driving one), buy a friend of mine who owns a mechanic shop talked me out of it. He said the transmission will almost certainly go and only one company makes it ($4,000). That in addition to the fact that its 4WD has scared me back into the SL range. My friend also says I can get a computer upgrade for an SL that should give me 20 or 30 more hp. However, on the VR4 side I see some positive stories here about extended warantees. Any suggestions about this or the SL vs VR4 repair issue?

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

-MikeMo

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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mikemo, what kind of computer upgrade are you talking about?

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Drew Z:

I would like to know where you got that Cartest.exe porgram. It sound's really cool.

STEALTH

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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Hello,

I'm selling my Supra Turbo and buying a used 3000 (less than $14K). At first I had my heart set on a VR4 (especially after driving one), buy a friend of mine who owns a mechanic shop talked me out of it. He said the transmission will almost certainly go and only one company makes it ($4,000). That in addition to the fact that its 4WD has scared me back into the SL range. My friend also says I can get a computer upgrade for an SL that should give me 20 or 30 more hp. However, on the VR4 side I see some positive stories here about extended warrantees. Any suggestions about this or the SL vs. VR4 repair issue?

Date:: 27 Feb 2000

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MikeMo,

The 3000GT SL and VR4 are really two different cars. The SL is over two seconds slower 0-60 and 1/4 mile than a Supra TT/VR4, so if you're about speed, you'll definitely miss it getting the SL. SL's are extremely reliable, the 91-93's suffer from some electrical problems(radio in the steering wheel, door locks) but nothing serious. 94-99 SL's are better than the earlier models. The ECU upgrade only nets you about 5-8hp. Unless your friend is talking about something else, this is the only computer BOARD upgrade at the moment. The VR4 is another issue. Although, they are reliable as well, the Getrag transmission wears down over time from handling the load of distributing power to all four wheels. Four to one your trans will bite the dust, whether you drive your car with care or not. My car has 38K miles on it and the tranny has been fine thus far despite running it hard at the track. Definitely get an extended warranty if you're going to buy a used VR4 or any car for that matter. You just don't know how the previous owner treated it. Why does the AWD scare you? No one on any of the 3000GT/Stealth web sites has mentioned a problem with their AWD system on their car.

I've heard positive things about Platinum Warranty Corp(A rating with the BBB). I don't have any additional info for you but I plan on researching them. As soon as I get something, I'll post it here. If you find a VR4 under 60K miles, like 55K-60k have the dealer do a 60K service on the car as part of the deal. Same thing for 30K miles. Except for the transmission, the VR4 is a rock solid car.

BTW, this is the first time I've read that someone was trading their Supra TT in for a VR4. Smart move.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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TO: MikeMo - I wouldn't let the transmission scare you out of a VR4 if that's what you want. To tell you the truth, I have a '94 Base and with the increased horsepower I have already had to replace 5th gear altogether (under warranty) back in '98. And now it's getting close to 80,000 miles and my 3rd gear is starting to act funny (warranty ran out already!). So, if you got a SL only because of the tranny problems in the VR-4, you might end up replacing or rebuilding your 5 speed in an SL anyways.

To ROOM - Anyone know about what I should expect to pay for a new tranny or a rebuilt one. I was also wondering if it would be cheaper to get a tranny off of a wrecked 3000 with low miles. Any comments?

Jason '94 Base GTO

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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I've got a problem,im new to turbo engines but is the engine supposed to take a second to put power to the wheels?its like i floor it and it waits a second before i feel anything.I heard a few people mention turbo lag could that be what it is?If it is what modification can make it spool up faster?I went to the porsche dealership today to pick up a new '00 boxster s but i test drove a new 911 carrera 4 and it was great so i decided on it,its black with black leather six speed manual transmission,the main reason I chose the carrera 4 is because i've been driving around the vr-4 spyder so much i've grown to love all wheel drive,Its a great car,but what im really waiting on is the new 911 turbos.Well i'll talk to you guys later.Robbie 95 3kgt vr-4 spyder and '00 porsche 911 c4.

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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OH yeah by the way what are the best speakers to put in a vr-4 spyder,i'm looking for a little more bass and power.Robbie '95 3kgt vr-4 spyder and '00 porsche 911 c4.

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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To Scott -92 VR4,

The reason your 92 VR4 seems faster than the 95 spyder because it is. The spyder is heavier than the coupe. I think the spyder is around 4000 lbs.

To the guy who wants the sell the Supra,

Do you have an MKIV (93.5+) or the older Supra. If you have an MKIV why are you trading it for a 3/S? But like Marc mentioned get the VR4 with an extended warranty (make sure they cover the transmission in the warranty plan). Other than that the AWD is great, I also have never heard of the Viscous coupling leaking or breaking or any horror stories. The only time you have to worry about the AWD is towing, the 3/S has to be put on a flatbed.

Jammer: ’95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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ROOM: depends on what you want to spend or do. you can have the turbos honed (i recommend this over the latter), or ported. you can gut the pre-cats. or just add an intake. i have the k+n, but i'm about to try out the weapon-r (i hear it out flows the k+n and is cheaper but no carb exemption) and the monster flow (one of the crews that want are sponsored by 'em, wow a free filter) once i go to uprd(you be amazed at how much attention i get now that my car is faster. crews trying to recruit me and some of these fake ass shops wanting to sponsor me, too bad i don't do the sticker or the buster thing. damn band wagon hoppers.) down pipe, cat, or exhaust. i went w/ the random technology cat cuz everybody says it kicks alot of ass. basicly anything the moves more air through the motor will give you better spool up. i'll probaly start my own club, any name suggestions? i like "highspeed" or "hellafukenfast" gimme some feed back.

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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To Jammer,

Thanks on the info. My post was kind of negative but luckily now I have a very nice vr4 that everything works(including Active Aero). I think the people that owned it before me knew it was time to trade the car in. This 3000 is my 3rd one(first vr4) and as much as I loved my pearl white 95 SL, they really don't compare performance wise. Still a nice ride. I could have got a 99 vr4 recently but with a 2 1/2 year old son I thought I could maybe use my money more wisely. Even with 10grand down the monthly payments were still around $600/month on a smart buy. Does'nt sound like a smart buy to me. No war stories yet, but feel some coming-I live in the 5.0 infested Houston area.

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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To Jammer,

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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To Room/Scott,

Every town/city is infested with 5.0s and Camaros. Don't want to start a flame war and no offense to TC or Mustang Guy, but that's the truth. They're all over the place, because they're the best bang for your buck.

To Robbie, To answer your previous post, with $20K in mods you should be able to do better than 12 secs. Oh, BTW, Robbie I realize this is your money but with the money in mods, the price of the 95 spyder and the price of the new Boxter S. Why don't you go out and buy yourself a Viper, an NSX, a Porsche or Ferrari?

Jammer: '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 28 Feb 2000

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Japanese cars are such a joke. You punks think your turbo V6's are so badass...HA! My friend's dad owns a blown 1999 Dodge Viper ACR that makes over 750 rear wheel horsepower and runs the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds flat, and he's not even done modifying the engine yet. With a few more tweaks, NOT including nitrous, his engine will be making 850-900 rear wheel horsepower, and it will still be reliable enough to drive every weekend. If he ever decides to put a nitrous kit on it, he would surely have close to 1,200 horsepower. It's currently the fastest car in California, and it'll be even faster after he tweaks the engine a little more. Too bad your pussy little Japanese engines can't make over 600 reliable horsepower at the wheels no matter how much money you put into them. Don't start crying ladies...

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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To the post above... Although the Viper is a great muscle car, it's a crappy off the track driver. I'm glad you came to the conclusion that it's not a daily driver by a long shot. The comfort ride is virtually non-existent and the gas mileage is horrible. As far as criticizing Japanese engines, there is nothing you can do to a viper to beat a modified 4 cylinder civic or an eclipse/talon. With around 450-550 horsepower a turbo eclipse will demolish a viper, yeah really!. Try getting a viper to run the 1/4 under 8 sec. Not a flame war, I gave up on that stuff a while ago. Just needed to clear the air on this matter. And btw the vr-4 3T can produce excess amounts of HP as well and retain it's daily driveability. The only difference between American engines and Japanese engines is that the Japanese make smaller more technology orientated engines. That are very potent and are more refined than the big simple engines Americans make. Say what you like but when a V10 viper cannot beat a 4 cyl. civic or eclipse/talon I would keep my mouth shut.

AC '94 red beauty

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Hey viper boy if your friends dads viper so bad tell him to bring it on,if i wanted to i could go buy 10 vipers and still have the cash to put 50,000 dollars into each of them,the reason i bought the vr-4 spyder is because i liked it and it was rare,it will out handle a viper,and id hate to drive that viper around on a rainy night.Firestormer:I test drove a few cars including a viper,a ferrari 550 maranello,I liked the ferrari but in my honest opinion i didn't like the viper much,i still might buy the 550 but no matter how much money you have it still feels weird buying a 250,000 dollar car and then taking it out on a back road at around 130mph :)But i bought the 911 c4 because it was a smooth ride and my previous boxster was a great car,im actually gonna trade the new 911 in when the new turbos come in,Is it true that mitsubishi is bringing back the 3kgt in 2002?Well i'll talk to you guys later.Robbie '95 mitsu.3kgt vr-4 spyder and '00 porsche 911 carerra 4

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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TO THE VIPER BOY: what kind of sh!t is this? you come to the 3000gt room bragging about your friends dads car? boooo!! my uncles third cousin on my aunts moms side of the family is batman the infamous. what kind of car do you drive? venny ten, craig paisley, ray lochhead, and eddie bello all have 8 sec import cars. venny and craig v6 twin turbos, ray a rotary, and eddie one of those wierd ass porsche engines. talk about what you got. and don't knock the next man, especially if he's sitting fatter then you. and the fatest car in cali is bullsh!t. there's cares runny 7's and 8's. dont get it twisted i love the buick muscle cars, grand national, t-type, gnx, syclone and typhoons. this are the sickest american muscle cars ever released. best bank for the buck. intake, chip, and exhaust low 13's, and all of these cars are sleepers. kenny d's red gn runs a 7 sec. 1/4 mile. just wait 'til we bring back the grand national and watch the sales of the other americans muscle cars decrease quickly. (plus i get a employee discount, kick ass.) by the way i'm 20 years old w/ a 12 sec stealth that i paid $7000 for. another $6000 to bullet prof the bottom end and open up the top end. can you do what i do. then don't compare me to someone else.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

projected 12.3@110/60ft. 1.700 on the stock 9b's/exhaust/tires @ 12.5psi

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Viper boy...I doubt a supercharged Viper makes 750 RW ponies...with it's high CR and all..most Vipers dyno around 400 at the wheels....so 350 more than stock would call for major engine modifications...and throw that shot of N20 on there....BOOM V10 kabob :) And I don't care who you are...anything over 500 hp in a RWD car is grounds for serious traction problems...or lack thereof depending on how you look at it :) Yeah I almost got beat by a stock Cobra due to that lil thing called wheelspin...but running a 13.0@120mph+ is fun :) Also Robbie...I honestly doubt a VR4 could outhandle a Viper stock. Check out your local Auto X group (Spokes is fairly popular around here) and watch the VR4's place in the middle to back of the pack :) Everyone heralds the VR4's great handling...but track times don't lie and the VR4 is usually a non contender :)

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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has anyone had success with the fuzzy logic greddy boost controllers? what about hks? blitz dual solenoid? do these hold boost well or spike problems? does any of these offer rpm dependant control? what about the apex super avc-r/afc but i can't find a good place to install either one because of the size of them. any feed back would be appreciated. bill 94jetblackvr4

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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ALL NON-TURBO OWNERS:

alterted atmosphere is making a turbo kit for your cars. i know i love you too.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Hay little "kid" talking about someone else's Viper that's great what do you drive probalily nothing. "My friend's dad's car", what a joke are you even old enough to be on your parent's computer. Shouldn't you trying to look up porn are something what are you doing here anyway.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Mustang Guy

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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ROOM

Does anyone know anything about those Nissan 300ZX's how much power, what they run, etc. I think they look cool but I heard they don't make them any more. Also do they make a Conv. for them because I saw one along time ago haven't seen one since so it may have just been a conversion.

Oh and to 93 Z

If you don't believe the numbers I posted for the 5.0's you can pick up an old issue of Road & Track and see for yourself. I've never lied on any post I've made, I've just simply stated facts.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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ROOM

Oh and to 93 Z

If you don't believe the numbers I posted for the 5.0's you can pick up an old issue of Road & Track and see for yourself. I've never lied on any post I've made, I've just simply stated facts.

To Scott-92vr4

I live in Houston to and I see nothing but a bunch of Rednech idiots and Soccer Moms in jacked up Truck's and SUV's. There's more of them than anything else and that's what I'm sick of.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Yep, his Viper is rated at 750 RWHP, and the block will be able to handle much more than that. It has the potential to be a "mini" NHRA engine that actually lasts. He could care less about his Viper's traction in the rain, because he never drives it in the rain. That Viper only sees daylight about 3-4 times a month. And about an Eclipse doing the 1/4 mile in 8 seconds, who cares. I've seen them at the track. Those little cars are gutted so much that they usually weigh between 2,500 and 2,600 pounds. Eclipses and Talons don't handle worth shit. The day his Viper exceeds 1,000 horses(which can be done without NOS by the way), it will be running the 1/4 mile in the 6-second range with a pair of slicks on the back wheels, and that's without having to drop the car's weight by gutting it. You want to know what I drive? I drive a 1998 Pontiac Firebird WS6 and I'll absolutely put any one of you punks to shame in your pussy little Mitsubishi's. After I sell my stock I'm going to buy a 99 Vette. That's right, a REAL car, not some weak boy-racer Japanese car with cheesy spoilers and wings.

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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nino

where did you hear this from? do you know an approximate price range?

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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I am in the process of buying a 97 Vr4 and I am planning on upgrading the turbo system. I was wondering what PSI the stock system will handle with a boost controller. Also, how much horsepower or psi will the stock turbos max out at before upgrading to larger ones?? I was thinking about upgrading the fuel system first, I am not sure what to do though... i hear the injectors arent big enough or should i get a fuel pump?? I was also wondering how much approx power the bottom end can handle reliably before needing stronger componets??

Also, to the guy who talks about te viper, you rip on our cars on how they perform in a drag race but that is not what people use their cars for. Most people here probabily drive there cars as a daily driver and that is more than you can say for the viper that gets out 3 times a month. Its like comparing a Funny Car to a an Indy car, they dont compare. Also japanese cars are so much more balanced than the american cars i have driven. Two of my friends have 4th Generation Camaros.... one a Z28 and the other a blown 6. They will both melt the tires, go in a straight line fast and that is about it. All I have to say is that they are built on truck solid axles. I am sorry but that is sad. Just dont talk smack where no one cars

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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Friend has 92' 300zx TT. Wants to know if he can put a boost controller in it. What's the max psi he can increase to with the stock turbos before knocking or detination occur?

Greg

Date:: 29 Feb 2000

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...oh, and why am I talking about my friend's dad's Viper? Um, maybe because it's the beastliest car on the west coast, and it provides concrete proof to back up my point of how futile it is for you rice eating morons to spend $10-20 grand on your pathetic little V6 engines thinking that they will overpower our "redneck, unrefined" American V8's. [***pause of laughter***]

MUSTANG GUY:

Why the hell are you backing up these assholes? Let me guess... you have a V6 Mustang and you got laughed out of www.corral.net by all the GT and Cobra owners. If you actually do have a V8 Mustang, then you're just a confused guy with a major identity crisis.

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Your friends dads viper isnt that great,piss me off and i'll go buy a twin turbo viper that has 1100 horses under the hood as i said before i don't like vipers very much,and for the vette your gonna buy,my moms got a 99 vette convertible with only 16,000 miles on it and the s.o.b. has already got an annoying rattle coming from it i'll admit i like the new vettes i even like the ws-6 but give them a few years and they are gonna start falling apart maybe not the vette as much as the firebird.And for your friends dad viper (btw that sounds so retarded) I doubt its the fastest or baddest car on the west coast.Robbie '95 vr-4 spyder,'00 porsche 911 carrera 4

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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A 300 zx tt has a i think around 300 horse power and 0-60 is in the 6 sec. range and ive seen them pull anywhere from a 14.2 to a 14.7 quarter mile.Robbie "95 3kgt vr-4 spyder and "00 porsche 911 carrera 4

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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I recieved a brand new 3000GT VR4 last week for taking it in the rear from a 60 year old rich man. He said i was damn fine, good thing the seats are comfortable.

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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VIPER GIRL:

put your pink slip where your mouth is. i'm is san diego. we can meet in pamona. don't just be a chat room warrior.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Viper Lover,

Tell me..what brand of supercharger your "friends dad" is running. What size pulley's he's got on there...how much psi is he running? He running a belt or cogged system? Whats the static CR with the boost? :) What is the CR without the boost? What fuel system is he running? It's fairly easy to come on here and say "I have a car with 50000(Speed Racer anyone? :))hp and not back it up with any facts :) Answer the above and you might actually earn a lil credit/respect around here :) OH BTW what tranny is your friend's dad running..the Borg Warner T56 can't handly 1000hp without getting munched up :) It can handle 700-800 fairly reliably :)

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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ROOM:

go to alteredatmosphere.com they actually need a few cars to see if they're any major difference in the various models. they don't have a price yet, but call 'em, these guys kick alota ass. whoever calls let us know if its for sohc of dohc.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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ROOM:

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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HEY NINO!

What's the direct link to that turbo page for the base model? I can't seem to acces it from the website. I send my car in sometime next week(gotta find out how much a greyhound from miami to orlando will cost. Airfare during spring break here is ridiculous) I'll be carless for 2 months. :(

To the post about the price of the supercharger kit, approximately $3,500. All bolt-on parts.;) That should include everything you need for installation. By the way, I got so caught up in the thought of the supercharger, I never stopped to think...What's the difference between the supercharger and the turbocharger? I have a basic idea, but does anyone know the pro's/con's of each? Kinda dumb I don't know, but any help would be appreciated. :)

Marv's base sleeper (in maiking)

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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HEY NINO!

Marv's base sleeper (in maiking)

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Hey Nino You mentioned getting your stock turbos rebuilt for $300? My the turbos on my '91 Stealth TT are shot - where did you have the work done? Did you install them yourself? Also, anyone have any information on the cost & driveability of upgraded turbos, if I choose to go that route instead? I drive a lot for work & don't want too much lag . . . Thanks, Dan

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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MARV:

please forgive me i don't have anymore info then what i gave earlier. i have a turbo and i'm having a hard time finding parts that can take me all the way to the end of my drag racing days (i wanna go all out some day). so my bad man. are any of you guys in SAN DIEGO?

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Hey jerk you picked the wrong guy to talk trash to 95 5.0 Mustang GT Conv., go faster goodies include SVO performance, headers & pulleys, Cobra intake, Hypertech Super chip, K&N filter charger, Flowmaster exhaust, Hurst quick throw shifter, Z Rated racing tires, and a Paxton Supercharger, topped off with a Double shot of NOS.

Not faster than a 1,200hp Viper(if it exist) but it will blow the doors off whatever you drive, "if you drive."

I love my car dearly and wouldn't trade it for anything, but is there something wrong with thinking a VR-4 is a great car too.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Today I saw a 3000GT VR4 with loud mufflers. It sounded like a pissed off leaf blower. Maybe that car would have a throatier sounding exaust if the guy attached a giant kazoo to the end of his tailpipe. bzzzzz, Bzzzzzzz. BZZZZZZ, BZZZZZZZZ! That's what it sounded like when he accelerated.

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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DAN:

texas rebuild $300 per turbo includes shipping and handling w/ a 48hrs turn-around. i'll post the contact info tomorrow as it's at home. but i had a nissan certified mech remove and install them for $100. so i got a good deal.

it really depends on what you want to do with your car. i want to run 11's on the stockers cuz supra's can run mid 11's on theirs. i also wanna stay smog legal which may mean i have to sell my msd and get a jacobs cuz of the carb #. if you're trying to do warpspeed 3 you'll need bigger turbo or steriods (nos) i hear 13g's and 15g's are pretty good. like the 16g and 18g turbos for the dsm's. all out? 17gs to the twins as to 20gs to the dsm's. gtpro.com takes e-mails and they know alot more then most of us put together about making these cars fast. check 'em out, they kick alota ass.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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DAN:

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

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DAN:

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

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DAN:

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

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DAN:

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

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DAN:

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sorry for the repost my computer is trippen.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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A Story, I was heading up to a local race/hangout area Saturday night when to my suprise a bright red mustang 5.0 with some loud exhaust pulls beside me, he looks at me and we both drop a gear my rps right at 4000 I punch It and all I can hear is the turbos screamig all the way to 130 mph (the Mustang was toast). Later that night while heading home a Acura Integra pulls up next to me, I'm thinking whatever. He punches it I do too, he's right with me he shifts but I don't need to yet I pull ahead and keep incesing my lead we pull over after going about 150 mph(at about 2 am) he has a little honda motor, with everey upgrade you could think of (NOS, turbo, all kinds of shit) it was a wild night. Oh,Oh guess what my daddy has a 1955 Chevy Belaire with a 632 c.i. merlin block 1,200 hp. running 8's.

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Hey guys, first time writer, been reading for a while though. Just wanted to share an experience. I own a 95 3000 Gt SL and live in South Florida where your pretty much on a race track from when you get in the car until you get out. Where I live theres somewhat of an infestation of Civics. One day while driving toward the beach I got to play the role of exterminator. While slowing for a light, i saw one of the uglier Civics in the area coming off of an onramp. Metallic deep blue, whale spoiler, custom moldings, and a drop about 2 inches. Along with the trendy 18" chrome rims commonly known as "kitanas". Lucky for me we both got in the front side by side at a light. If sound was power then this kid would have had me beat, he had what sounded like 3 or 4 12"'s in the back and I couldnt even hear my Infinity system anymore. That got me pissed. So we glanced at each other and reved. It was on. It was time to see if the Civic was all Bark and no bite. My adrenaline was pumping. At the green light, we both got off pretty even for a couple seconds until I had the cleanest shift into second and slowly watched the Honda Ribbit Civic fall by the wayside. I just kept pumping the ponies until after about 1/2 mile, then he gave up. We crossed paths again after that but didnt race. I dont usually street race but he looked about the same aga as me and im 18 so i didnt pass up the opportunity. And by the way, anyone looking for some super cosmetic upgrades for their Mitsu Machine visit www.GTPRO.com. Great stuff.

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Hey guys, first time writer, been reading for a while though. Just wanted to share an experience. I own a 95 3000 Gt SL and live in South Florida where your pretty much on a race track from when you get in the car until you get out. Where I live theres somewhat of an infestation of Civics. One day while driving toward the beach I got to play the role of exterminator. While slowing for a light, i saw one of the uglier Civics in the area coming off of an onramp. Metallic deep blue, whale spoiler, custom moldings, and a drop about 2 inches. Along with the trendy 18" chrome rims commonly known as "kitanas". Lucky for me we both got in the front side by side at a light. If sound was power then this kid would have had me beat, he had what sounded like 3 or 4 12"'s in the back and I couldnt even hear my Infinity system anymore. That got me pissed. So we glanced at each other and reved. It was on. It was time to see if the Civic was all Bark and no Bite. My adrenaline was pumping. At the green light, we both got off pretty even for a couple seconds until I had the cleanest shift into second and slowly watched the Honda Ribbit fall by the wayside. I just kept pumping the ponies until after about 1/2 mile, then he gave up. We crossed paths again after that but didnt race. I dont usually street race but he looked about the same age as me and im 18 so i didnt pass up the opportunity. And by the way, anyone looking for some super cosmetic upgrades for their Mitsu Machine visit www.GTPRO.com. Great stuff.

Prodigy's 3k SL

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Warstory!

Today on my way to school this silver porsche passes me with its little aero wing activated. It's times like this when I wish my car still had its active aero wing. When I see an aero wing on another car, it's like another female signaling she's in heat or in the "ready to race mood." Anyways, I take her from 6th to 5th and ease into the throttle - I'm not provoking yet. We are traveling about 80 and slowly climbing. Before I realize it, I notice that this porsche is crusing around 100mph. That's enough of a signal for me. I had just been feathering the throttle in 5th not working my car at all, but I decided to pick a fight. I shift to 4TH and pork it. What a coincidence, as I start to accelerate the porsche does as well. The best part is that I'm closing in like a heat-seeking-missle, so I let off the throttle. We're doing 120mph so I gave the porsche a little room to flaunt its stuff - off the throttle again! Back on the throttle - again I came right up on its ass. Well? What do I do now? Hold 4th and cruise by this turkey at 140? Or call it a day? I decided not to risk it. Besides this porsche didn't have what it takes. HERE'S THE BEST PART. I cruise up along side of it to discover a chic behind the wheel. What a turnon! I love a women in a porsche. Wonder what was going through her mind while I was teasing her from behind....hehe? Oh well, "Sleeper strikes again." TODAY'S VICTIM: 97-99 BOXSTER!

Funny: if I recall the last boxster I raced was 97-99 and a girl was driving too. Do I assume poor driving skills were a factor? ....No, it doesn't take a Formula 1 driver to hold 4th to the floor! Besides, it's not like we raced from a dead-start.

I have to say those Boxsters are very respectible autos.

Greg's 94 VR4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 01 Mar 2000

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Mustang Guy Not to be nit picky or anything...I'm just wondering how you are running the SVO pullies and a paxton SC? :) The belt routing on that must be a bitch see'n as how they are incompatible :) And a double shot of N20? Dual stage or double shot? :) What size pills you running? Oh and I wasn't aware that the FIPK was compatible with the blower intake of the paxton or any other SC intake unless you had that fabricated as well :)

Notes the BS getting thick on all sides :)

Date:: 02 Mar 2000

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WARSTORY!

Tonight I battled it out with an M3 - metallic silver - my favorite! Anyways, it was a pissing contest through a few miles of traffic until we finally hit a patch of clean highway. I was in front beaming the pickup ahead to move over. When he did I let it roar. Both of us were waiting for an opportunity to get over 80mph - here it was. I fucking stood on the pedal as we began racing up a slight incline. As I stated in a former posting, I'm sick of people coming here and saying I smoked this car and that one. What fucking bullshit! The reality is just this. It was a battle up to 140. The M3 held a respectable pace, about 5 car lengths behind me. I was gaining ever so slightly - even with my mods. Go figure! I have more than 100hp than an M3 and I couldn't pull as much as I wanted to in a race beginning at 80mph. Question? Would it be different if we started from a standstill? I think I would have an edge but not much. I've loved M3's for years; they are great cars. Peroid! My warstories continue to demonstrate that it take a shitload more power to really pull away from another respectable sportscar. That's a fact! Anyone who disputes this is a fucking idoit and you don't know shit. Is my car slow? NOT BY A LONG SHOT! Some of you freaks just love exaggerating the way it really happens.

In the end, I slowed down to about 65 and he crept up to my side. I looked over to see an older guy, the mid-life-crisis type. He gives me a thumbs up and I immediately extend the same respect. Cool race.

A HARSHER REALITY: What's racing the new M5 going to be like...? 240 BMW hp vs. 400 BMW hp...better brace youselves guys the competition its tougher than you think.

Greg's 94 Vr4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 02 Mar 2000

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WARSTORY!

A HARSHER REALITY: What's racing the new M5 going to be like...? 240 BMW hp vs. 400 BMW hp...better brace youselves guys the competition its tougher than you think.

Greg's 94 Vr4 "Sleeper"

Date:: 02 Mar 2000

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Greg,

I agree with what you're saying, although I've raced many M3's(I seem to attract these cars frequently) and I've beaten them soundly, except for one that gave me problems while in traffic. I raced only one M3 from a light leading to an onramp and up the expressway about 2 miles. I immediately got 2 cars on him at the light, by the time we hit the bottom of the onramp, I added another carlength. I ran up to about 135mph before I quit and I had about 10 cars on this guy. The other M3's I encountered were on the expressway already. I downshifted to 3rd and was gone. They can keep pace for a brief moment but slowly fall back as speed increases. That's only if you have a plenty of highway ahead of you and light traffic. One of those M3's I raced, we ended up in a zig-zag race. Cars were scattered everywhere and I couldn't lose this guy, he was about 2 cars back the whole time. M3's are extremely agile and stock vs. stock would give a VR4 a fit. I'd hate to run into one on the twisties. A slightly modded VR4 like yours and mine should handle one no problem. What's your horsepower? I'm estimating 400HP for my car, give or take a few horses.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 02 Mar 2000

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Man I know what I've done to my car all the modifications, were done through Tomball Ford, Randal Reed Ford, and Performance Mustang's except for the NOS kit which I adimitally know very little about, (I call it a double shot because I have two bottles in my trunk) other than it gives my car a 80-100hp. boost at the touch of a button, was done by my uncle's performance shop in Austin so you can call them up and discus the technical Bull shit with them.

By the way both the S281 and S351 Saleen Mustangs use SVO pullies with Paxton Super charger's along with a Steeda Q Mustang, and the Super Stallion, and most Pro, and street 5.0 racers, so maybe it's not that imposible after all.

When I finally get my web page made I'll post the address so you can see for yourself OK.

Mustang Guy

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Hey Mustang guy,

Where do you run your Stang at in Houston? I used to live near the dragstrip in Baytown but have since moved to Friendswood.

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Just and FYI...

I contacted the guys at GT pro last night, and it hase been confirmed. There is a twin-turbo upgrade kit for the base model 3000GT. I retails for just under $7,000. He didn't specify if it was for the SOHC or DOHC config. I should know today though...

Marv's base sleeper (in making)

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Hello room. Well, i JUST got my VR-4 delivered to me this morning. The acceleration on this car is just breathtaking. It is a drastic change from my Eclipse, that's for sure. I ended up with a black '97, VR-4 with only 9800 miles on it. Never wrecked, just leased to a guy who barely drove it. This is an incredible car that will still look great 5 yrs from now. I always envied the 3000GT owners while I had my eclipse, and now I can say that I have joined the ranks of a select few 3000GT vr-4 owners. By the way, if there is anyone in the Atlanta (or Conyers) area, drop me a line. I would be interested in learning about mods or just joining a local 3si club in the area.

Ruiner '97 Black VR-4 brandon.odell@lithonia.com

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Not to be disrespectful to all you road warriors, but I get the feeling that not all races are actual races. What I mean is that when someone says "I smoked that bad ass bimmer!" maybe it's because they were't actually racing. It just seems that you smoked them because they appear to be standing still when you pull away from them. Last night at 2am, there was a late '90s model 540i right next to me stopped at a red light. I had not even realized what kind of car it was because I was tired and only wanted to get in bed. The last thing I wanted to do was to race. Anyway, on the green, he slammed it and pulls away from me by 6 car lengths and I became a blip in his rear view mirror. In the meantime, I was left confused in my state of fatigue. At the next light at an intersection, I looked over and saw a punk ass 18year old driving his dad's bimmer. On the green, he slammed it again and went straight while I went about my business and made a left at the intersection. He ain't worth it. In his mind, and most likely he's bragging to all his friends today, he smoked a '99 VR4. It must've done a lot to raise his pitiful ego. You can only be sure if it's an actual race by looking at each at the startline and give each thumbs up or if a car is obviously pulling to keep up with you or is trying to beat you. If you say you toasted or smoked that car, then good for you, it's probably because they didn't care and were probably looking at you in disbelief. This goes to all cars, not just 3000GTs and BMW's. Just my 2 cents. Happy and safe racing to all.

Stan's 335hp '99 VR4.

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Stan's 335hp '99 VR4.

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Mustang Guy

Thats funny and lets just leave it at that :) It just seems "convienent" that you happen to have a supercharged and N20 injected stang when some guy on here comes on the website and makes outrageous claims :) It's the "oh yeah well my daddy can..." syndrome :) Ya know where the two lil kids go back and forth and "one up" each other :) Anywho I don't really care :)

And Stan Stan the man...I hear you wholeheartedly :) But when people do that crap to me all they think is "I just beat a fairly stock looking V6 camaro with exhaust work done" not nearly as exotic as the VR4...but it does turn heads for those that are educated in what a Camaro is suppose to sound like and what one sounds like thats been mildly modified :) If I raced every mustang and Honduh Integra that reved their engine at me...I'd be a dead man by now :) You gotta pick and choose :)

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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TC i dont know if you know this or not but you're a sarcastic bastard:)

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Stan,

Not to disrespect you but you sound like a victim. Just because you were "tired" and chose not to race doesn't mean that everyone who loses a race by a considerable margin wasn't trying to race. The four M3's that RACED me were bonified races, whether you believe it or not is of no consequence to me. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that my 160HP advantage had a lot to do with me beating those M3's by a considerable amount. Should I have turned down my boost to stock levels to make it a "fair" race. Hell no. If I pull up next to you and challenge you to a race, I don't know if your car is modded or not. If I have to ask then I don't need to be racing you. I'm sure those Bimmers had no idea that my car was modded and probably wouldn't have cared. Like I said in my last post, stock VR4 vs. stock M3 would be a very close race.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Hey guess what, I just made some extreme mods to my 1989 Jimmy. I put on twin turbos, bleeder valves, boost controllers, and huge injectors. Last night when i was cruising at 80 on the freeway this punk in a VR4 wanted a piece so I dropped it down to 3rd and whopped his a$$. Then I saw a supercharged Ford Pinto and raced him too. By the time I reached 200 MPH he was just a little speck in my rearview mirror. Then came my hardest race of the night. It was a 1980 Mercedes diesel station wagon with a 12 cylinder Caterpiller big rig diesel driven by an 80 year old grandma. She had that beast floored and just blew right past me ay abouyt 180 MPH, but I finally caught up to her bitch a$$ and waved goodbye. What a night. My 89 Jimmy with blue dome lights is still the king of the road, so watch out!

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Marc,

I didn't say that every race that was either lost or won by a considerable margin is not a true race. I'm just saying that a certain percentage of those races are not real races. I'm not just referring to BMW's. Hell, I've even got fellow VR4/StealthTT owners that want a piece of me, granted it doesn't happen a whole lot, but it makes the race more interesting. I'm all for racing and tearing up the pavement, but there are times when it's not worth it so I don't show my teeth. Unfortunately, the other driver doesn't seem to agree with me and when he pulls out, he thinks he's got me beat. Sometimes, I would teach them a lesson and sometimes, I don't. You've got to choose your battles. But I just hate it when someone says they've got me smoked when I wasn't even trying. Sometimes, it's vice versa. I'm sure Marc, with your mods and hp advantage, you're watching your opponents disappear in your mirror, regardless of whether they were trying to race you. I'm just saying be open to the possibility that your opponents may not be trying to race you. Sometimes it's obvious that they're racing you and sometimes it's not. I know those M3's were racing you 'cause you know when M3s are pulling. I've had some very close races with them before. If I was to race every jerk out there that wants a piece of me, I'd be racing every time I drive out. Believe me, I get plenty of challenges 'cause of my combat spoiler. I'm thinking about putting on SL spoiler. Sorry about the long post, but I wanted to get my point across.

Stan's 335hp '99 VR4

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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WARSTORY!!!

whats up party people. just happen during my lunch break. kick ass race. winner-nino loser-southernseries mr2 turbo. southernseries is one of the crews that are trying to recruit me. these guys are generally track only w/ a more professional air to their crew. i was talking shit about why join a crew where i'm the quickest? no one knows how to work on my car so why join? anyway i was on my way to zone motorsports to check on my wheels and tires (kosei k1 racers nitto 555) low and behold, half of southern series is in the parking lot getting parts w/ a group discount. only two of the guys i met were there. these idiots didn't believe my car was all that cuz ass you can see is the msd, mag, and k&n. my comment "better to look slow and go fast then spend four years building a slow car that longs fast." i was asked to "pop the hood". after they looked they claimed "you perping man...ain't no way in hell your shit is running in the 12's". my response "line up or shut up" keep in mind this is about 2:15pm on a friday cars every where. he wants to hop on a free way near by. i wanna go from a dead stop. we agree to go to national city blvd towards the freeway. my car has been running hot, so i only wanna run for two blocks. so we're off to the spot w/ all these damn honduhs, one mrs2, one dsm (trader) and my kick ass turbo twin. they all head towards the end (entrance to the wal-mart parking lot) we pull to the side and wait til traffic clears. we line up... and a pig gets behind us. as luck has it we both have stock bodies. line up again... awd on that ass! car length w/in i guess 60 ft. round two, no clutch dump... same result. wants to go again. no problem w/ me. wouldn't mind kick his ass again. and to think he paid more for his car then i did. i love awd.

-NINO"livinglifefasterthenever"

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Stan,

I see your point. I don't race that often but when provoked to race 9 times out of 10, my ego will get the best of me. I like fast cruising, 5th gear, 70, 80mph. Then, all of a sudden, some Z28, M3 or WS6 pulls up behind me and rides my tail. I hate when that happens because all I'm trying to do is cruise. I don't go out my way to prove my car's the fastest because I know it is far from that. I'm also tired when I get off work and have to drive home and I just want a peaceful ride home. I even got a dirty look from an elderly lady about 5 months ago that pulled up beside me at a light. She was in a Buick Century and she gave me this, "I'll take you sonny!" look on her face. Hey, I wanted no part of that. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

BTW, I don't want a piece of your 99 VR4.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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LOL to whoever called me a sarcastic bastard...I'll take that as a compliment ;) Anywho this is really a heads up post. Anyone in the Austin or Central texas area that will be free next weekend for a good car cause? My car club is hosting a "poker run". You donate money...we drive in a big line across a few citys (police escorted might I add) and all the money we raise goes to the Kyle Police Dept and their keep kids off drugs fund etc. The AFB last year provided prizes and food and refresments as well as a bunch of good ol car talk :) (Prizes include free oil changes, free car washes, discounts to local speed shops and a free detail at a local detailing shop) Any and all cars/vehicles are welcome...and this is not a race...just a cruise with a ton of cars :)

For more info check out www.austin.f-body.org or email Michael Marr...his email addy is somewhere on the aforementioned website (yeah I'm lazy :P)

Date:: 03 Mar 2000

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Hey Guys,

I've been gone so long, I haven't been able to read all these stories. The guy with the Jimmy, it's a funny story but very unrealistic. Oh well, aren't most of the stories.

NINO, 400hp(100+) with internal. Are you going to do any other mods? I plan on being at 385-406RWHP at Stage3 but I have to replace the Chip, Intake, Exhaust. Should be nice, but the internal stuff freaks me out.

See ya, don't have much to say tonite!

-Drew "Z"

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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To: Marv's Base Sleeper - Hey Marv, who is that twin turbo kit through, GTPro? Also, I live in California, do you know if it is 50 state legal and have a CARB number for it? Smog Checks SUCK!!!! Thanks!

Jason '94 Base GTO

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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HEY JASON:

I don't know if it's 50 state legal(I live in FLorida, and we don't even have inspection;p), but yes, it is through GT pro. Also, I found out it's for the DOHC version of the base ans SL models of our cars. : ( I guess I'll have to stick to the supercharger. I WAS going to send it off this week, but my sisters clutch just gave out and needs something to get around in while we get it fixed. BTW, it seems that her pedal is just loose as hell. The gearbox seems ok, but if you turn it on, the clutch won't budge, Any ideas?

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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I have a 94 3000gt, automatic what would be some good mods to get to increase perfomance. I would like to keep it usable for my dail driver also. Thanks Steve

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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BUY AMERICAN, OR ELSE MOVE TO JAPAN. HERE IN THE UNITED STATES WE HAVE A COMPLETELY OPEN MARKET. VEHICLES PRODUCED BY JAPAN-BASED COMPANIES ARE HIGHLY ADVERTISED AND GLORIFIED HERE IN OUR COUNTRY. IN JAPAN IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE; THEIR GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY DISCOURAGES THE PURCHASING OF AMERICAN PRODUCTS. SORRY BUT THAT'S BULLSHIT, AND YOU PEOPLE ARE HELPING TO PROMOTE IT BY BUYING JAPANESE CARS.

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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if moving to japan meant that I wouldn't have to deal with people like you I would...

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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Hey guys, I can't seem to find a book on my 94' and i'm wondering about this warning light in the bottom left corner of my dash, it's orange and looks like a building, it comes on sometimes when I have to get on the brake too much, please let me know what's wrong with my baby. 94' green machine

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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hi there...i have 3000gt 1997 vr4 but there is on problem that it's not as strong as it should be so can somebody hellp me out and tell me how make it stronger...

can u e-amil at sultan_@hotmail.com

Date:: 04 Mar 2000

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HEY 94 GREENMACHINE...THAT IS FOR YOUR WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID!!!!!

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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"Buy amarican" You idiot! When was the last time you have even been to japan? Where did you hear that? Did your racicst mom tell you that you hick!! Go preach somewhere else moron!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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And another thing. If I buy a Dodge stealth am I still buying a japanese car? Bottom line. BOLTH 3000GT AND STEALTH WERE BUILT IN AMERICA!!!!! Ill give you a tip for life. GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL AND GET YOUR DIPLOMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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to mustang guy:

better check again, Saleen uses Vortech superchargers, not Paxton.

93 Z

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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CHRYSLER MADE A BIG MISTAKE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO SLAP THEIR NAME ON A MITSUBISHI. THE STEALTH WAS A JAPANSES CAR, EVEN THOUGH ITS DODGE BADGING HAD MANY PEOPLE THINKING OTHERWISE. AT LEAST CHRYSLER REALIZED THEIR MISTAKE BACK IN 1995, WHEN THEY DISCONTINUED THE STEALTH DUE TO POOR SALES. AND GEE WIZ WHAT DO YOU KNOW--- 4 YEARS LATER THE 3000GT WAS DISCONTINUED FOR THE SAME REASON: POOR SALES. AWWWW, TOO BAD!

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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THE CAMARO'S NEXT IN LINE TO GO...

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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To Numbnuts,

Get some business. Is your life that boring? Just for reference I checked out some net sites devoted to American muscle cars and found no import car owners talking crap in their forums. Get a life and don't give me any patriotic crap-I am a veteran.

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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Marc,

Interesting discussion between you and STAN. I see it somewhat similar; First, an M3 stock vs. VR4 stock WOULD be a good race up to 140. Can't take it away from those Germams - 5.6 - 14.2. That's competative! I also despise people who say "I smoked'em." Either the other guy wasn't racing or you have a rocketship. That's the only way it happens. I usually don't bother proving up my car unless the competition is comprable. ie. SS, TT's, Porsche, Cobras, M3. Anyone of these cars will not allow a VR4 to just "smoke em." Unless, of course, they are not racing. I'll say it again, it takes a lot more power, design, skill, and BALLS, or a Viper...hehe...to really smoke someone driving another sports car.

MARC, tell me what you think my mods total up to; I figure around 370-380hp. Filter, cat-back exhaust plus I removed the main cat, manual boost controller set at 14 -14.5psi, BOV and 94octane, radar detector, wing and a prayer!

Greg

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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I OWN A 1995 3000GT BASE MODEL AND I AM LOOKING FOR SOME GOOD INFO ON WHAT TO GET TO BOOST HER UP..NOTHING TOO CRAZY...IM JUST STARTING...BUT THINGS SUCH AS EXHAUSTS, PERFORMANCE CHIPS, AIR FILTER KITS, ETC. AND WHERE TO BUY ALL THIS SHIT?? I KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE A VR4 BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE DUE W/ WHAT IVE GOT. THERE ARE SO MANY BRANDS TO CHOOSE FROM BUT NOT SURE WHAT TO GET. I FIGURED SOME OF YOU EXPERTS OUT THERE COULD HELP ME GET STARTED. THANKS GUYS, -STEVE-

Date:: 05 Mar 2000

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Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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OK, I'll be first to admit, there are faster cars than the VR-4, but then again, there's still MANY far behind. I like to say, "there's faster cars, and there's slower cars... but there's nothing like a VR-4." I presently own a '92 completely stock VR-4, and I know if I don't do something to it to keep it updated with the lastest averages of speed times, I'm gonna fall behind. But this is war stories, enough of my blabbing.

I have plenty of stories to tell about my driving experiences in the VR-4, I've raced ole GTO's (the Pontiac's), T/A's, Camaro's, Vette's, and even a Lambo Diablo. Believe it or not, it was a drag race at a light with that Diablo... and I beat it! Ok, so he stalled it, but I did beat it!! :)

One story I'll mention real quick was back a few years ago not to long after I bought my VR-4 in summer of '92, bout a year or 2 later. I live in Kansas City, and was cruising to St. Louis for business the next day. It was getting late, about midnight when I finally shoved off, through my tunes in, it was ALL good. Hop up on to I-70 which will take me all the way to St. Louis, take some more of them tunes out, and sit back for a fun ride. East side if KC, I come across a black '94 Porsche 911 Turbo, VERY nice car, VERY fast I might add. Of course, no competition, especially for my stocker, for all of us die hards, a little fun wouldn't hurt, right? He comes onto the highway from his on ramp, and we meet at the same speed side by side on the highway, like a race was meant to be. We exchanged looks, smiles, and laughs for about a mile, then we both let it out. Waiting for someone to make the first move, I downshift to 4th, take off a bit, not accelerating as fast as I'd like, I pop into 3rd at 75mph. Bringing up my speed, he stay RIGHT there next to me. You gotta love the sound of 2 very different, and yet VERY similar turbocharged 6-cylindered cars running through the gears. We never really got away from each other(I tried, but he never let me), traffic was very very low being so late. We ended up having a nice side-by-side cruise to St. Louis at crusing speeds... for an plane, about 120mph. And if anyone's been from KC to St. Louis, or vise versa, they know it takes about 3 1/2-4 hours to get there... it's been a while, but if I remember right, it took us just over 2 hours that night. We ended up stopping at the same exit, and had some coffee at a Waffle House, exchanging more warstories.

No, I guess it wasn't a race, but it was a darn sure good time. I have plenty more to tell, and not just with the VR-4, but I won't bore you anymore. If anyone has some nice mods on their car, and has pics of them online, feel free to send them to me at XValkF6X@aol.com. If I get enough, I'll make a sight dedicated to VR-4's, and what mods people have done. In the mean time, fly safe... I mean DRIVE safe!

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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Greg,

I'd say 355(minimum) to 370(max)horsepower. More towards 370HP because with the filter and cat-back installed, you're maximizing airflow. A downpipe will net you about 5 more horses(assuming you running at stock psi)and even more horsepower if you're running 13G or 15G turbos. With the manual bleeder, a good rule of thumb is 10 horsepower increase per psi. So, you're looking at 20-25 horsepower increase just upping the boost. I don't know if I responded to your question about the 450cc injectors from the DSM 1g cars but the injectors are direct replacements to the stock 360cc injectors.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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Hey fellas , I love the stories ... I'm 17 and am looking to buy my first sports car. I currently own a 96 blazer and i plan on selling it to buy either a 98 Camaro , Formula , and im looking at like 91-92 3000gt VR-4s . The blue book for the blazer is 13,500 and i can get whatever i want with that money and my parent will most likely help me out with anything around 20 grand. I definately like the 3000gts more than the F-bodies but i have heard reliability problems and finding parts for them is a major hassle.I am real comfortable with standards so a manual tranny wont be a prob .What about gas mileage for the VR4's , i am assuming it is better than the big gas chugging LS1s ?I jsut want a haul-ass car that will take any Z28 or MustangGT off the line without any modifications . Please tell me what you think about reliability , gas mileage , the durability of an older (90-92) VR-4 ... thanks , Kyle

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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KYLE: welcome to the gang. i'm NINO one of the youngest (and probaly most arrogant) guys around these here parts. i would suggest a stealth r/t twin turbo. same as the vr4 minus active aero (which means a little bit less weight). plus they're alot cheaper. i have done some internal mods (i'm broke as hell for do so) that have me running about a 12.3 1/4 mile. but for about $3000 (or less) worth of bolt ons you can run the same. smog legally you can also run close to these numbers. these include: a jacobs ignition (the complete kit comes w/ wires and all) ngk plugs, random tech high flow cat, cat back exhaust, and k&n fipk. throw in a boost gauge, turbo timer, cheap boost controller (hks evc ez) old school apex afc and itc (which can be found pretty cheap at www.partstrader.com or www.dsmtrader.com) w/ a j&s safe gaurd knock sensor (you can get it with a display that shows the timing and fuel ratio). and boom 12 sec. et and slightly improved gas milage. pass visual inspections and emissions. they only problem is find somewhere to mount the j&s monitor. plus i love the awd. if you want a sleeper all you have to do is mount the after marker boost gauge in the stock gauge location. mount the afc/itc in the arm rest in front of the cup holders and the boost controller/turbo timer next to the steering wheel. want to go fast for cheap? gut all the cats (both pre and main) gut the exhaust, get a manual boost controler and a weapon-r intake and run mid to high 12's. the only think to look out for when buying these cars are the mechanics who inspect them. most people do know shit about these car (i learned the hard way). plus get a warranty for the tranny (they're a piece of shit. i'm saving up to have my rebuilt and hopefully find some upgraded shit to keep it from braking down again). lastly, the cooling system has a tendacy to crash. if this happens it's either the thermostat, radiator cap, or a bad fan switch. most shops charge stupid ass prices to do these repairs. if this comes up e-mail(hated@hotmail.com) me and i'll send you instructions on changing the t-stat and the fan switch. they can be done in less then an hour for cheapor then $80 bucks (compared to the $350 the gay ass dealer tried to charge me for the t-stat alone, talking about three hours of labaor it took 20mins of drinking and joke cracking). hope to hear ya stories soon about kickin the muscle car guys in the ass.

ROOM: so few believers in my pursuit of 11's w/ the 9b's.(but i don't wanna add a rollcage. dead give away to other racers and cops.) i'm gonna contact tec, turbonetics, and texas rebuild to see if they can upgrade 'em. the quickest i've heard of so far is a 12.09. i can beat that. i will beat that.

JASON 94 GTO: what part of cali are you in? i'm in s.d.

ROOM: everyone have kick ass night.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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JASON 94 GTO: what part of cali are you in? i'm in s.d.

ROOM: everyone have kick ass night.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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Hi guys, my name is randy and i have a similar story to kyle. I'm 16 and lookin to buy a 3000GT... I want to get a VR-4 (the year will depend on my $$). I just wanna say that u guys are doin a kick ass job of keepin the stories commin. I just had a question about the 3000GT. What is the best thing to mod when i first get it. And 2) does anyone know of a good place (preferably good price) to buy a 3000GT in the Los Angeles area, and a good parts shop in the LA area... thx randy

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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well kyle i am also new to this site actually tis is the first time i have put anything on here i have a 91 3000gt vr4 with a new tranny of course and have put a few mods into it the only problem i have had is the tranny and of course the lifter tick whice if you use synthetic oil it seems to be less noticable but i have raced a couple of mustangs corvette's and cameros and they are easy to beat thanks guys

miguel 91 3000gt vr4

also if you guys ever hear of any place to get a vr4 spyder email me at mpc3000gtvr4@aol.com thanks

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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Gas chugging LS1's? My LT1 when stock would pull down about 30mpg on the highway and around 20mpg depending on how spirited I drove around town. The F-bodies have a 6th gear ratio of .50 with a rear end ratio of 3.42 ...that is 80mph at 2,000 rpm's or 70mph at just a hair over 1,000rpm's...the AWD system in any car usually saps gas mileage due to the simple fact your running twice as many wheels as with a FWD or RWD :) Plus the tranny's in the f-bodies are bullet proof :P

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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IT'S ALL ABOUT HEARING THE DRUMROLL SOLUTE AND PICTURING THE AMERICAN FLAG FLAPPING IN THE WIND EVERY TIME YOU SEE A TV COMMERCIAL FOR THE CHEVY SUBURBAN. OF COURSE NOBODY IN HERE KNOWS WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE NONE OF YOU ARE TRUE AMERICANS---YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING TRAITORS!

Date:: 06 Mar 2000

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To the moron above....did you know that major components from your coveted Suburban are infact "import"'s? :) There is hardly anything built these days that is strictly "domestic" or "import" as evidenced by many automobiles these days :) Many Toyota's are built right here in the USA (Camry being one) as well as many others :) So please educate yourself about current affairs of industry and internet courtesy and STOP WITH ALL THE CAPSLOCK. It just makes you look childish and ignorant :)

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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To the BUYN AMERICAN Guy....

Most "American" cars are made out of the US. Actually more Japanese cars are made in America than American Cars. If you really want a "Domestic Car" then go to Mexico and buy a Ford. In todays Global economy, it really dont make a difference where the cars are coming from. Besides, if they really are imported, we gotta pay high Tariff prices which goes right to the govt of the USA. Where are car is made is not as important as how well its made and how much the person buying it likes it.

Rob 94 SL

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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To the capslock dickhead,

Hey numbnut, how many wars have you served in? I do take personal offense in your remarks. Once again, get a life. Probably your problem is one of a discretionary income nature. Can't afford so bitch about it. Kind've like the ugly guy who thinks all women are bitches because they will not have anything to do with them.

Scott-92vr4

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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To CAPSLOCK_DUDE(s?):

It's a global economy, in case you haven't noticed lately. Doesn't matter much where cars are built anymore, the lines are very blurred.

I thought that "BUY AMUURRRICAN" sentiment died out in the 80's?

Also -- BOTH the Stealth and 3000GT were/are 100% made in Japan. Yes, Dodge killed the Stealth, but it was for several reasons: 1) Decreasing sales 2) They didn't want a performance coupe to interfere with the Viper 3) They are attempting to distance themselves from Mitsubishi (never mind that the Diamond Star Motor Co in Normal, IL is co-owned by Daimler/Chrysler/Mitsubishi

Which brings me to another interesting thought.... the Dodge Avenger and Mitsubishi Galant are built on the same platform. The Eclipse is also built on a similar line The 3000GT is closely related to the Eclipse. "All in the family", so to speak.

....Imagine a Galant VR4 (yeah, I know they had one in '91) along with an Avenger RT/TT - sharing the drivetrain from the 3KGT VR4.......wowsers.....

mike21b 92 Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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To CAPSLOCK_DUDE(s?):

It's a global economy, in case you haven't noticed lately. Doesn't matter much where cars are built anymore, the lines are very blurred.

I thought that "BUY AMUURRRICAN" sentiment died out in the 80's?

....Imagine a Galant VR4 (yeah, I know they had one in '91) along with an Avenger RT/TT - sharing the drivetrain from the 3KGT VR4.......wowsers.....

mike21b 92 Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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To CAPSLOCK_DUDE(s?):

It's a global economy, in case you haven't noticed lately. Doesn't matter much where cars are built anymore, the lines are very blurred.

I thought that "BUY AMUURRRICAN" sentiment died out in the 80's?

....Imagine a Galant VR4 (yeah, I know they had one in '91) along with an Avenger RT/TT - sharing the drivetrain from the 3KGT VR4.......wowsers.....

mike21b 92 Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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RANDY:

mail order your parts from www.dynamicracing1.com and have www.gtpro.com (they're in the l.a. area) do the install. the specilize in the vr4/rt3's. the best three mods are a intake (weapon-r if you're cheap and stillen to stay smog legal) boost gauge and a manual/electictronic boost contoller set to 15psi. that will take you to about 370hp

CAPLOCKS KID: i'm really not a "real" american i was brought here w/out a choice in the matter. so... i'll buy what ever i want. most such to be that big of a loser that you worry about what the hell the next man (or women) is doing w/ their money(probaly means you're broke ass hell).

ROOM: my baby no longer overheats. now it's time to kick some ass.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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RANDY:

ROOM: my baby no longer overheats. now it's time to kick some ass.

NINO"livinglifehighspeed"

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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GAS PRICES ARE STARTING TO EFFECT MY GOOD TIMES!!!!

Ultra in RI is about 1.75 per gallon and rising. What do we do? Run cheaper grades and use octane boost additives?

Date:: 07 Mar 2000

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This isn't a war story, just a question. Does anyone know the 0-60 time of an early (91-93) TT/awd Dodge Stealth? The 99 3000GT with 20 more horsepower did it in roughly 5 seconds (depends on source), so i am hoping the early Stealth (stock) can do it under 6 seconds.

I am currently looking to buy a fair condition Stealth. As others have pointed out, the Stealth is cheaper compared to the 3000GT (heh, college ain't cheap) and i slightly prefer the look of it to that of the early 3000GT (except for the spoiler). So another Q i have is, what is active aero that the stealth doesn't have?

Also, what size of speakers fit in the car? I have a pair of MB Quart 5&1/4" components i hope will fit, and have read Quart makes 8 inch midbasses specifically for the Stealth (Car Stereo Review, April '99 pg. 158). Will these fit without modification? If so that would add some major punch to the front stage, something lacking in my current Eclipse GSX (i loves AWD, had a BMW 325ix in High School <g>).

Thanks all, hope to have some stories for ya soon Adam

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