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Archive 2

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Date:: 26 Apr 1999
Time:: 09:41:02
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Hey Larry,

Ever used a product called, "Dri Wash 'N' Guard" by EnviroTech. I've used this product for two years and it is awesome. They also carry a tire conditioner for the tires which gives the tires a really clean look instead of that wet look you see sometimes with other products. They also carry a product called OxyGone, which removes the oxidized paint on your car. Dri Wash does this as well but Oxygone conditions the paint too. The great thing about Dri Wash is that your car does not have to be clean to use it. Granted, the car can't have mud or anything like that on it but when you spray Dri Wash on the car, it breakes down and oxidizes the dirt. Of course, the cleaner the car, the better it works but the car does not have to be sqeaky clean. It's a wax as well and when you're done with your car, if you tried sitting on it you'd slide right off.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 26 Apr 1999
Time:: 21:23:17
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While speaking of car waxes,and stuff like that, I've heard that Mothers makes really good products. Does anyone have experience with their products? Any comments?

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 00:34:03
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Hmmm this seems real funny to me. The Camarobird driver acting all innocent about Mr. Probe Boy's lack of respect and trying to instill to us that he hasn't been beatin by a VR4 is full of it. Hey I got one question. Why are you on our Site? Is it envy that brings you here, because our site is nicer or maybe it's because girls prefer them over the American...Every American Musclecar. Hey Mr. Probe Boy...If you hate VR4s than why are you wasting your time on our site? Hmmmm....Hard one to think out huh! Obviously you must still be in High School So I guess it can be overlooked...And Mr. Camarobird don't defend us with your petty apologies for the kid and those little insults to him either. I know personally from experience as well that a Camaro will not run against a VR4 (you can upgrade a Camaro and guess what we can upgrade our GTOs, but think about it a 6banger vs. and 8. Out of our class, but we still can beat you. Ponder on that!) and win...And for the other car owners claiming that the VR4 is slow and the handling sucks and I lost this race and so on....Remember the key element of racing...Obviously I am stating you can't drive worth a ****....Simple equation to learn Racing is 90% driver and 10% car. I know my buddy in a Type R Acura can take GT Stangs. Because he is a good driver...Anybody can go straight and gun it...But who can handle the slaloms? A real driver. So spare us the My car is faster, the VR4 isn't worth **** and I rolled it and so on. Tell lies and good war stories on your site...If you have a section for them. Oh yeah the stats are in for the So called good looking guy in a VW-Bug...Who is also full of ****. 1. Porche Boxter 2. Mercedes SLK230 3. Acura NSX 4. Toyota Supra 5. Porche Cabriolet 993 6. Mitsubishi 3000GT 7 Audi A4 8. BMW M3 series 9. BMW 540i 10. Classic Convertibles

Runner ups were! Lexus GS, Jaguar XK8, Dodge Viper, VW Passat, Misubishi Eclipse, Saab 900 Cabrio, Volvo C70 Convertible, Honda Prelude, Mustang Convertible Classic, and finally New Beetle.

I guess the Camaro and Probe and VW boys are just pissed, because they can't afford a luxury car like we have. Our base model the 3.0 L 161 hp...Is more expensive than the Price of a GT or SS Z28 Camaro. Jealousy and envy get's you no where. And at the same time. Won't make you look bigger as well. To my fellow 3000GT and Stealth and GTO owners. Drive safe and keep your cars intact.

Will B. 98 VR4 "Ruby"

P.s. And if I offended anybody besides the GTO, Stealth and 3000GT owners than Tough. You can always see me on Friday at the Abandoned Airport by Homestead AFB. In Miami when the East Coast meets the West and when Far East vs. American. By the way for the man claiming he runs 12's or low 12's I know some Honda 4 bangers that run 9 and 10's.

Peace

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 06:55:25
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Will,

I get the impression that you judge a car by its cost ? That's not realy the sign of an enthusiast now, is it ? Granted our cars are fast, but they can be beaten by Cameros at times. I'd say we have a 50/50 chance against them.

The base GT although nice looking, is not in the same league as the cars you'e comparing it to. It's basically a sheep in wolfs clothing. Given a choice, I'd opt for the Camero. By the way, the pricing is as follows:

1999 Base 3000GT - $25,920. 1999 Camero SS - $26,995. (this includes the base Z28, SS Package, Removable roof panels and chrome wheels AND 6 speed !!!)

What car/performance person would get the GT if given a choice ?? The base model with 161 hp is mainly for little Valley Girls whose parents sprang for a graduation gift ! Last of all, are you basing the merits of your car on the fact that it attracts women ?? Are YOU the one that's still in high school ??

Get one thing straight buddy, this may be a 3000GT site, but ALL car lovers are welcome to trade stories, facts, tips, etc. If the only reason you bought a VR4 was because of its price and to attract girls, then why didn't you save 30 grand, buy a Fiesta and scotchtape a few hundred dollar bills to your fly ?

Anyway....Marc I never heard of that Dri&Wash, but I used to use something called "Trigger Wash". It worked as well as the stuff your talking about, but is no longer on the market. I used to take a bottle with me on motorcycle trips. It was great for a quick clean and brilliant shine !

Last of all, I still haven't heard anything on that 89 "Jimmy". What's the deal with that anyway ??

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 14:54:12
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Can't we all just get along? (That's a joke for all you serious folks.)

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 17:20:43
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To the guy that posted before Marc:

Great post. Having an attitude like that, I would be willing to bet that little Willy does NOT own a VR4, and is just dreaming. A Camaro can not beat a VR4? I've seen stock ones do it. I've also seen VR4s beat Camaros. Have I been beaten by a VR4 yet(keyword: YET)? Nope, but it will happen sooner or later. There is always someone faster.

Take a look out there, and you will find MANY more stock VR4s than you will Fbodies. The majority of the VR4 owners are not after a rocketsled, but a nice refined and civilized sportscar that can be driven all year round. If these buyers were after pure speed, and nothing else, you can rest assured that they would be buying a Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang.

Money is not an issue here, and as the fellow stated, the SS will outshine a basement model 3000GT with no problem for $1000 more, nicely equipped.

So, grow up Little Willy, and behave yourself like a normal human being. That's not too much to ask, or is it......

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 19:46:33
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You're absolutely right Rated Z. If I wanted a true sports car, I probably would have bought a Corvette or a Camaro SS. Since Chicago is going to be my home for now, I have to buy a car that going to be drivable when the white stuff is on the ground. Besides, I can't see myself paying a car note for 12 months and I can only drive maybe 8 or 9 of those months. These days, you can make any car go fast, no matter whether the manufacturer built it with that intent or not. There's mods for just about everything out there. But I didn't buy the VR4 so that I could go out and challenge every car out there. I bought it so that I could cruise and cruise in style. Do I care if a Camaro, Corvette or Mustang is faster than my car, no. All I care about is that I get where I'm going safely, in style and if I want to, get there fast.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 27 Apr 1999
Time:: 20:20:15
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Hi all,

I actually have a war story. I was driving home from work today when I spot a new Corvette C5 (top- up, it was only 11 degrees C). Anyway, I pull up behind him to see if he wants to play, I figure most people (men in there mid 40's) who buy these cars only do so for looks and not speed. The guy notices me behind him so he floors it, I do the same. I don't bother to downshift to 3rd, I leave it in 4th @3500- 4000 RPM it takes me a few seconds to get on his rear bumper again. At this point we clear some traffic he pulls into the right lane. I figure he wants me to pull up beside him and we'll both floor it. But no go the man who happened to be in his late 40's takes the off-ramp. I guess he figured my Twin Turbo Stealth wasn't worth it. Oh well! After that I kept going on highway 50 (Hull, Quebec, Canada) what do I spot a Mustang (4.6L) heavily modified, by a local tuner shops. The car is lowered, 18 inch wheels, Body kit, Combat style wing, aftermarket exhaust system (loud!) and I think he had race harness seatbelts. Anyway, getting back to the racing I pull up behind him he has a car in front of him and beside him. All of sudden I notice his car squat down and he squeezes between the two cars (damn!). Actually, I don't want to go into great detail the race lasted about 10 mins. Let's just say there was a lot of braking and downshifting. He never pulled away from me too much and I didn't pull away from him too much, either. There was a lot of traffic since it was 5:30 p.m., rush-hour.

That's it, damn that was long. Sorry!

Jammer "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT only mod: K&N FIPK

Date:: 28 Apr 1999
Time:: 08:07:29
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Rated Z (Dan ??) / Marc,

It was me that posted before Marc. I forgot to sign my name. Larry VR4

Date:: 28 Apr 1999
Time:: 08:21:51
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Here are my mods and 1/4 times as follows:

Base Car: 95 VR4 Mods are: Alamo downpipe, K&N filter and HKS EVC IV Quarter mile time:

1. First run 13.7 @ 99mph a. track temp 92 degrees b. 1/4 tank of 93 octane c. launch off idle d. boost 1.1 bar c. non speed shifting(lift throttle) at 6800 2. Second run 13.5 @ 101 mph a. launch car at 4000 shift at 6800 b. other parmeters are the same as above 3. Third run @ 13.22 @ 104 mph a. Track temp 66 degrees b. 1/8 tank of 93 octane mixed with 3 gallons on 100 octane c. launch at 4000(side step clutch) d. speed shift at 6500 c. boost at 1.1 bar

I have the stock exhaust system past the downipe and probably will change the exhaust due to the intrusiveness of the after market systems. I believe the car will run high 12s on a 30 degree day or with an aftermarket exhaust of which I do NOT plan on installing. I didn't due a baseline(stock) run on the car and the adove results were with all three modification installed simultaneously. The third run was during a cool spring night, runs one and two were a hot and humid summer night

My email address is: VRFOUR1@AOL.COM

Date:: 28 Apr 1999
Time:: 11:37:30
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Yes Larry, my name is Dan.

The times listed by VRFOUR1@aol.com are fantastic. It shows what the AWD launch is capable of, by the ET being so low, with a low mph. If I could get my car to hook, I would probably be able to hit around 101 (estimated) in quartermile, and around a 13.6 or 13.7.

Despite my horrible driving skills, I have better luck on the street than at the strip. I've beaten cars that run 13.6s @ 103 (LS1 Fbodies mainly, or what the owners claim to run, time and time again, but I've also lost my share.

My best quarter time is a 14.1 @ 95mph (Great Lakes Dragaway - Union Grove, WI) along with a 14.4 @ 98.11mph. I raced again 3weeks ago and ran a 14.6 @ 97.96 (Cecil County, Maryland) and ended up with another horrible 60ft time of 2.519 seconds. I've made all my runs on street tires (CompTA VRs), and these tires have quite a hard compound. If I get a pair of slicks, I am confident that I will definitely dip well into the 13s.

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 28 Apr 1999
Time:: 13:32:53
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That post by VRFOUR1 pretty much sums up the fact that the VR4 could definitely benefit from some products (downpipe, K&N Filter) that will help it breathe better which gives the EVC a chance to provide better boost. Add a blowoff valve and free flow exhaust mufflers to the mix and the VR4 should finish a quarter mile run much stronger than the stock would. You might be out of about $1500-$2000 but considering what the car is gaining, it would be a smart investment. I wouldn't mind my car being a little faster.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 28 Apr 1999
Time:: 22:36:04
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Marc,your car would definitely benefit from some mods like an exhaust, downpipe, and other mods to do with air intake. These turbo motors really respond well to airflow enhancing modifications.

that's the one thing i really love about Turbo motors....they can go MUCH faster for MUCH cheaper than a n/a motor.

Date:: 03 May 1999
Time:: 23:16:18
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I have a question,ive been considring a 1993 3000gt vr4,and i was wondering if anyone has ever raced a 1994 - 98 mustang cobra,if yes did you beat it?pleae give me real answers,dont just le and say you beat one just to make the car look good.also how fast is the top speed?the only thing i dont like about the vr4s is that theyre all wheel drive,i lke to do burnouts lol,one more question are 3000gts reliabe?

Date:: 04 May 1999
Time:: 06:20:01
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To respond to that last post, personally I never raced a Mustang of any kind but the VR4 and only the VR4 in the 3000GT line can and has the power to keep up with or beat a Mustang Cobra. Secondly, the car has been posted in a couple of popular magazines as topping out between 157-162mph. Third, I can personally attest to this, it is nearly impossible to do burnouts with this car. The VR4 is a "high-tech" car and the purpose of it's all-wheel drive is to provide maximum traction at all times. If you want to do burnouts, this is not the car you want. Finally, the VR4 is very reliable but it is expensive to maintain.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 04 May 1999
Time:: 13:48:34
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I agree with you there, Marc. The 3000GT is reliable, as is any other car if it is properly maintained. In most cases, the more expensive a car is, the more it costs to maintain.

The AWD launch is the superior launch, as you stated. NO spinning wheels....just goes like a slingshot.

I know this is off the subject, but I can't help but express my "hope" that this really happens: I recently picked up th newest issue of Hot Rod magazine, and this small article popped out right away. It had to do with the ALL NEW Camaro. It was reported that the all new Camaro will likely have an independent rear suspension setup similar to that of a Vette, and.....a Twin Turbo setup...I SERIOUSLY doubt we will see a twin turbo setup on the Camaro, but instead, possibly a 5.3 derived from the LS1. We'll just have to wait and see. This is going to be for the 2002 Camaro. I'm just excited that there will be a follow-up. GM has the chance to do the Camaro right, and I hope they do...but knowing GM, they'll blow it again.

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 04 May 1999
Time:: 16:39:46
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Dan,

I heard the same thing about the supposed new Camero. Can you imagine if they chose to go that route ?? AWSOME!! I also heard that the Camero was going the way of all the other muscle cars......no longer made (everybody wants an SUV).

Anyway, here's some news: VR4 TRIUMPHS OVER McCLAREN F-1 !!!

OK......so it was really a Saab 900S Turbo.....I still blew it's doors off. Nothing to brag about, but it sure was fun putting "Mrs.Look at me, aren't I cool and Waspy" in her place.

As far as the other post, I agree with Marc. They are a bit expensive to maintain when maintenence is needed, but worth it.

Dan, will you opt for one of those new Cameros if they go into production ??

Larry VR4

Date:: 05 May 1999
Time:: 09:01:58
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Larry, I would DEFINITELY opt for a new Camaro if it came out with the setup that I reported. However, a Camaro with a Twin Turbo or Turbo setup? Hmmmm, I don't know about that. I think it would be much easier to go MUCH faster, but at the same time, I feel that the Camaro is all about "big motor Gut-wrenching" torque and horsepower. I guess after time, it would "settle" with me. I would just be disappointed to see the V8 in the Camaro go. GM would be going with a V6 instead. I can't see a Z28 with a V6. I think that as long as the Camaro stays alive and kickin, I don't care what it has as long as it is fast as the current ones, sporty looking, and rear wheel drive. GM has the chance to do it right this time, but as always, they will probably let me and every other GM fan down.

Date:: 05 May 1999
Time:: 14:25:21
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Dan,

Don't be so hard on GM. They're known for some of the all time greatest cars ever made ! GTO, Chevelle, Camero, Firebird, Vette, GrandPrix, 442, the "Wildcat" engine, Roadmaster, Grand National, etc. I think over the years they've knuckled under to what they "think" the consumer wants. Back in the late 60's and early 70's they ruled the street.

In the event they are planning to do away with the camero, why not go for a new 00, or a left over 99 SS now ? I have commercial access to all the cost information, including holdback percentages, and rebates that the dealers get (the ones they DON'T tell the customers about).

Can you imagine an LS-1 motor under the hood ? With minor mods you'll be turning in the very low 13's high 12's !

Let me know if you want me to check out some pricing. I may even have a contact in your area.

Larry VR4

Date:: 05 May 1999
Time:: 22:33:34
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Very true, Larry, but it's time to do the Camaro to year 2000 specs. Isn't it time to give up the live axle? I don't disagree that GM made some of the greatest performance/musclecars of all time, but it's time to for GM to evolve. underneath the sleek body panels, the CamAro (with an "A", Larry haha)is still a caveman.

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 10 May 1999
Time:: 13:33:18
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Burnt Tailfeathers.

Me and my black vr4 recently had the honor(ha ha)yea right !Of racing a pontiac firehawk This gut thought he had the baddest thing to hit the streets(well mabe the loudest)but any way. Me and my wife(she's a japanese import too!:-)were on the way home from a late night movie. when out of nowhere this guy in a fire chicken desides he wants to play he pulls up next to us revving up his flowmasters. So at this point i told the little wife to hold on cause things were fixing to get interesting.Since she loves cars espically imports she said lets show him what japanese cars can do. I left the line at about 4000rpm (no wheel spin of course) and proceded to watch his head lights fade away along with his loud exhaust and smoking tires! I guess the moral of this story is "horsepower is useless;unless you can put it to the ground"

keep it between the lines and dont try to race undercover 5.0's!! OOPS!

Date:: 10 May 1999
Time:: 13:35:12
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Burnt Tailfeathers.

keep it between the lines and dont try to race undercover 5.0's!! OOPS!

Date:: 10 May 1999
Time:: 13:37:50
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Burnt Tailfeathers.

keep it between the lines and dont try to race undercover 5.0's!! OOPS!

Date:: 10 May 1999
Time:: 21:52:12
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to 3000 owners and mazda owners..I own a 3000gt vr4, and at one time it was bone stock, one night (bone stock)I was on cruising around when I saw a little mazda mx6 GT, I looked over and he immediately saw me and stepped on it.. I though hehe.. so I stepped on it,, he pulled me for a split second and the I began to pull, we were nose to nose in third gear then he must have shifted and began to pull me like hell.. I though what the hell.. I just got burned by a 89 mazda.. I pulled up to the dood and asked what he had in there, and he replied.. Stock turbo man,, I do this for a living.. Well since then I have boosted upped boost and whatnot.. nevertheless,, I went a shop in San Fernando one day to see about some parts for my VR4 and the hell it I don't see that same little blue mazda sitting outside... I walk in and said Hi i'm the guy that you smoked in the VR4 that night, and he said yeah.. I was just messing with you.. I said damn that little cars fast... I ended up buying that little blue mazda that whipped my VR4 and I'll tell you it is fast and will beat just about anything around 300HP.. It has 150HP stock ,, then a downpipe, big stock intercooler, boost controller, computer from G-FORCE.,, test pipe, and HKS offroad exhaust., as well as a intercooler pipe kit...MX6 's are fast little rides,, And quite frankly it's one of the fastest rides you can get without getting noticed, that means killer sleeper abilities.. you can roll up on brand new STANG-GT's , Acura NSX's and camaros and spankum, and ther're like, what the hell.. anyway.. since then I have increased the HP on my 3000VR4, it's right around 400 now and am going for newer turbos..As for mister PROBE man,, I wish I coulda raced you with the mazda ,, it would have been a good race.. but for a really fast ride.. obtain a 3000gt or a toyota supra before 96, take it to ROD millen motorsports and he will give you about 420HP at the wheels.. and lemme tell you that is haulin balls.. L8r

Date:: 10 May 1999
Time:: 22:24:45
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Regarding the last Article: By the way I didn't mention the MX-6's price since everyone on this site likes to see $$$'s and many owners may want to do this ,, I paid for $3000 for that blue mazda MX, when I got it the HKS F-CON had been removed and sold, so it just had air filter, downpipe, and exhaust on it.., I immediatle make a test pipe to replace the cat, cost $20 bones, boost controller, greddy, $300, upper intercooler pipe kit $250, G-Force Computer--$250 bucks.. and a boost gage.., turbo timer..

The stock IHI Turbo was good for 300HP, I never put an F-CON back on it since G-FORCE did a really good job on the firmware chip that replaced the stock eprom... It eliminated the god aweful abrupt fuel cut that follows a nice little digital beep, as if to say %%uck you , no more fuel for you!!..

The car was wonderful and had plenty of torque around 3000RPM but fell flat on it's ass at high rpm.. So this car was great roll up races when your in 2nd or 3rd gear and all you do is hit the gas pedal and your spinning tires in 2nd but 3rd hooks up nice...

The stock IHI turbo had run 24psi for a year and had incredible passing power in 5th gear on the freeway..but unfortunately took a dump as I was power passing in 5th gear on the freeway.. I replaced it with a bigger T04 hybrid with a special exhaust manifold, and ran about 20psi,,, it hauled serious balls. and required no new clutch.. the stock clutch in the mazda is bigger than a mustangs or an eclipse..

HAVE FUN MAZDA PEEPS...

Date:: 11 May 1999
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Well I'm tired of seeing all you guys think your VR4 IS REAL HOT...I was driving my Girl Friend home one night, and I drive a 95 Pontiac Formula with some light mod's and a this guy in a VR4 pulls up with his Girl friend..and he thinks hes bad, so when the light turns green he takes off....so i figure ok.. this guy wants to have some fun..so i catch up to him at the next light..I press in my Power trans button..so when the light turns green..we both take off....NOW i'm playing with him alittle...just giving enought gas to keep up with him..door to door...so at about 60phm...i PUNCH IT.....FEW SECONDS LATER.....HES WAY IN MY REAT VIEW MIRROR...the light in front of me turns red..so I STOP....and the guy in the VR4...blows the light..to save from another imbaresment.....SORRY GUYS..CAN'T BEAT THIS BIRD!!

Date:: 11 May 1999
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To the guy in the 95 Pontiac Formula. I have a freind with a 94 TransAM with K&N intake system and Borla exhaust (thing is loud!). We where both on the, high-way don't remember what gear or RPM I was at, we where nose-to-nose and we both punched it and I went past him. Mind you it wasn't a huge jump but I slowly inched away from him.

Since I'm on this topic, another friend has a 94 Z28 automatic with a 4.10 (or 410) gear ratio and I CAN'T take his car. Now I'll be the first to admit I can't launch my car if my life depended on it, but should I be able to take him.

I have a '95 Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (stock).

Jammer - '95 "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 11 May 1999
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Hey guys (Jammer),

I've been thinking of giving my VR4 to my brother in August when school starts again and get myself a Stealth RT/TT because it's about $2,000 to $5,000 cheaper. Being in school takes away a lot of money and a lot of time from work. I could still afford it, but I would like to have some more extra money for a special day. I've never been in or driven a Stealth before so I guess what I'm trying to ask is, "Is there any diffence between the two cars in driving, power and others?" Does it feels the same? I would rather keep the VR4 because in my eyes it looks a lot better than the Stealth, but I know the VR4 is not what I really want. I'm hoping to get some day is a '98 Supra Twin Turbo or a NSX. So tell me, should I do it?

Thanks,

JT Ruffs

Date:: 11 May 1999
Time:: 20:28:12
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Keep the VR4...they look a hell of a lot better than a Stealth.

RatedZ@aol.com

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 07:34:55
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JT Ruffs,

What year is the VR4 ? They don't make the Stealth any more, is it an older model than the VR you own that your thinking of buying?? Why are you getting an older car and giving away a newer one ?? As far as the 98 Supra.....Toyota stopped making them in either 96 or 97. Where are you getting a 98 from ?? As far as the NSX, if you're in school, how the heck are you going to buy an NSX??? They list for around $85 grand, and a used one will cost you between $40~65K !!

As far as what you should do.....first get your facts together as well as your dollars. Once you do that, keep the VR4 anyway.

Larry VR4

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 11:54:49
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Between 1997-1999, the Dodge Stealth TT and the VR4 are mechanically the same. During 91-96, the only difference was the electronically adjusted spoiler on the VR4's. I've never driven a Stealth TT before but I would bet the ride is no different than the VR4, however, some years back I did hear mentioned that the build quality of the Dodge was not as good as Mitsubishis'. Don't know if that's true but the resale value of the Stealth has always been a few thousand dollars lower than the 3000GT no matter which model. Horsepower is the same for both: 1991-1993(300HP), 1994-1999(320HP) but given the choice, the VR4 is the better looking car in my opinion.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 11:58:43
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Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 16:06:21
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Hey guy....thanks for your opinions. I do enjoy my VR4 very much and I'm sure you guys do too. Anyways, Larry, you are right about the '98 Supra. There isn't one. I knew that. It was just a mistake. I meant '97. As for the NSX.....I know that they cost a lot. Way more than a Supra or a VR4. That car will have to wait until I get my degree and have a stable job. The NSX is what I'm shooting for and as for now the VR4 will do. Jt Ruffs

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 16:35:55
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A Mothers day special. It was 11:30am and I was stopped in the turn lane and a nice black 98 Firebird came to a stop on the cross street. The driver gave me a nice long look. I knew that look. He moved on at a quick pace.

After the light changed I began an eager pursuit. He was moving at a good clip and traffic was not working in my favor. After about three lights I finally caught up to him. We tried to negotiate thru traffic and get to a light. We went thru another three lights before we got to a very nice racing spot. We both moved into the turn lane and waited.

The light changed and he punched it and quickly headed into the far turn lane. He lost traction and began to fishtail. I however came up from behind and took the inside lane without the slightest loss of traction. I quickly accelerated past him, but traffic was too thick for a major move.

We did however soon get our light. He had the LT-1 engine and said he was running about 315 horses. I revved to about 3000 RPM and I could not hear his motor at all. The light changed and I got a good launch and was a car length ahead by the time I crossed the intersection.

We had a full half mile to ourselves and when I reached 120mph he was about 3 car lengths behind. So the LT-1 must have a fairly strong second gear torque. I was slightly impressed that he almost kept up with me. I really need to upgrade my cat-back so that I will have some more power in third. Any way he turned off with his tail tucked beneath his legs. Now I am ready for an LT-1 Vette!!!

Don't worry Larry I did not have 4 people in the car this time :P

GCope - Panama Green Pearl 92 VR4 www.forgedesign.com/mycar/

Date:: 12 May 1999
Time:: 18:47:20
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Ummm, Panama guy?? The 98 Firebirds don't have LT1s. They have LS1s....and I know for fact that you didn't beat an LS1 Firebird if your car is anywhere near stock.

Date:: 13 May 1999
Time:: 06:23:54
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JT,

It just so happens I own both a 98 VR4 AND an NSX. I drive the VR4 everyday and really love it. As far as the NSX it's bright yellow,1997 model, auto trans. It cost me $59. As much as I love the VR, the NSX has always been my dream car. I had to search long and hard to find it. Oh by the way, I should mention the fact that the NSX is only about 9" long, and was made by "Kyosho", not Acura. It's one of those diecast models, but the best detail and quality I've ever seen ! Every morning I sit in my office and while having my morning coffee I stare at the model and drool....

I'm still shooting for an NSX one day. I have the degree and a stable job, but I also have a wife that knows what the NSX costs, and will leave if I spend that much on a car.......hmmmm, I'll have to think about that one....

Anyway, good luck in school and I hope you get your dream car some day. For now, stick with the VR. It's really a great car, and is beter looking than the Stealth in my opinion.

Larry VR4

Date:: 13 May 1999
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Larry,

So the NSX is your dream car too huh? I hope some day our dreams will come true. I know it's going to be a long time before it happens. Anyway, just to clear something up again, there is a '98 Supra. Sorry, my bad. I have the "FAREWELL TO THE SUPRA" issuse of SPORT COMPUCT CAR magazine and they talked about the history of the Supra. Also late last year my brother came up from California (I'm in Oregon) and we went to look at a '98 Twin Turbo at a Toyota dealership. He thought it was awsome because the Twin Turbos aren't allowed in California. I'm sure you know why. That was actually the second time I saw that car in two months and they had jacked up the price to $50,000. It was $46,000 ($40,000 retail price plus $6,000 dealership profit) the first time I saw it. We played with the salesmen for a while and left.

Wouldn't it be something if we could all get the cars we want?

JT Ruffs

Date:: 13 May 1999
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Oh, by the way, did you order that NSX or did you buy it somewhere. I have a catalog from "Exoticar" (a company in on the east coast) and they have two of them in the for $49.00 each (made by KYOSHO). The have the 1997 Acuar NSX-T (yellow) and the Honda NSX Type S (orange). I was thinking about ordering them, but I thought maybe I could find it somewhere so I would have to wait two weeks for them and pay shipping and handling.

JT Ruffs

Date:: 13 May 1999
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To JTRuffs and anyone else who wants to comment,

Every aspect of both cars is identical, ride, feel, horsepower, interior looks, matriels etc... the only difference between both cars are the looks. The only thing I like on the VR4 over the Stealth TT is the rear wing (pre 1999 models). I think the Stealth wing is ugly. I prefer the rear end of the Stealth over the VR4, looks to much like a ford probe (I'm sure a lot of you are going to flip-out over that comment). This is to "Marc's 97 VR4", I don't see how the build quality can be different for the Stealth considering both cars are built in the same plant in Nagyano (spelling ??), Japan. You are correct about the resale value of the Stealth over the 3000GT. The only reason is, people think the Stealth is made by Dodge (Chrysler). But we all know they are identical (except for looks).

I'm looking for an NSX, 1991/1992, for a good price but haven't been able to find one. From the looks of it I don't think I'll be able to afford it. Damn those SUVs and rising value of the YEN!.

Jammer "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 14 May 1999
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I agree with you Jammer, I think because of the Dodge name tag, which at the time in 1991 when these cars were introduced, was not a manufacturer you assiociated quality cars with, kind of hurt the car's value. About what I heard with the build quality, it was from a mechanic at a now defunct Dodge dealership in Chicago who mentioned that he has serviced both cars and that the engine mounts and frame area around the engine were of slightly less quality in the Stealth than the 3000. Again, I don't know and have no way of knowing if that's true but that's what he said. Nonetheless, it's the same car as the 3000 and that makes it damn good.

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Date:: 14 May 1999
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Date:: 14 May 1999
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JT,

I had to order it from Exoticar. I couldn't find a hobby shop that had one. They shipped it UPS, and I had it in 3 days. It shouldn't take you anymore than 5 or 6 if you're on the West Coast.

I managed to drive one once. It was with an auto trans. Some guy was selling a 93 with only 8,000 miles on it. He was asking 60K for it. I was so awed by it at the time, I don't even remember what the ride was like ! The only thing I do remember is that is handled like a go-cart and the seating position was extremely comfortable (I'm 6'2").

I hope my VR doesn't read this.......I wouldn't want to hurt it's feelings.

Date:: 14 May 1999
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Thanks for the info. I stand corrected. LS-1 it is. They are very nice cars. Anyway I have a boost bleeder valve and and couple of other mods that put me in the 350hp to 360hp range. I have raced two Firebirds now and the first one stayed right on my bumper. The second...well you know about that one. I do know however the driver is a large part of the outcome. It's all very fun.

GCope - Panama Green Pearl 92 VR4 www.forgedesign.com/mycar/

Date:: 14 May 1999
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Hi Everybody, I have been reading your stories and comments. They are very intersting. I have a Question about which car to buy. I have not test drove them yet, but i would like some general feedback. I am deciding between a 3000GT or a Corvette. Please tell me your thoughts on them. Also, if i get a VR4, does it a have a sign or label on the back of the car that says that? Thanks

Date:: 14 May 1999
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Date:: 14 May 1999
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Date:: 14 May 1999
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Date:: 15 May 1999
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The Corvette is a very nice nice car and had considered buying one at one point but I like the VR4 because it's a blend of luxury, performance and good looks. The all-wheel drive system makes it one of the safest sports cars to drive. This car is very easy to drive fast and is rock solid no matter what speed you're driving. There are no suprises with this car, it goes where you point it. Even in the snow (with all-season tires, a must) it's sure-footed. It's a heavy car, about 400 pounds heavier than a Corvette but it can keep pace with it. The VR4 can be modifed up to 400 horsepower for around $2000 , all depending on where you go to get the work done. There's no car in the VR4's class that can embarass it. In my opinion though, it's the best looking in it's class.

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Date:: 15 May 1999
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Date:: 15 May 1999
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Marc, thanks for replying. I have another question for anyone about the VR4. How are the back seats? And do any corvettes come with 4 seats? Thanks.

Date:: 15 May 1999
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Since I haven't posted for a while....I'll take this one...the Corvette is only a 2seater...if you find one with 4, please let me know, because i want it!

the 3000GT's backseats are jokes.....decorations at best.

I read about dreamcars, and i picked my dreamcar up about a year ago. I got it for 10bucks....it's a nice dark blue McLarenF1......it is the most awesome car i've ever owned. I even dropped it and it didnt break! By the way, it's a Maisto, not a McLaren....but it definitely is my dreamcar.

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Date:: 15 May 1999
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To the person who wants to know about VR4's and 'Vettes:

I don't know much about 'Vettes but I could tell you that if you're looking for the looks, I think only the '98-'99 'Vettes could somewhat match up to the VR4's. If you're looking for the power, I've always heard that the 'Vettes would edge a little bit over the VR4, but not much (same years). RatedZ is right about the back seats. I'm only 5'8 and I can't sit in the back seats unless I get the two to myself (sitting side ways) or have the front two moved all the up forward, which is not much. And to answer the question about the sign in the rear of the car.....yes, it does say VR4 on the car. It's on the right side underneath the tail lights. The ones without the sign are just base models and the ones with "SL" are the second models. VR4 of course would be the top of the line models.

Go with the VR4!!!!

JT Ruffs

Date:: 15 May 1999
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Hey RatedZ, Larry and others:

Have you guys seen 1/18 models of the 3KGT's and the Supra's? I can't find them anywhere. I know that "TAMIYA" have them in the kit models because I have both of them. I trying to buy all the cars I could only dream of of having. I have a red Ferrari F50, a silver F50 (hardtop), and a yellow Diablo so far. They're all made by Burago. Please tell me if you guys have seen one.

I saw a 1/43 model Stealth the other day at Hobby Town USA.

JT Ruffs

Date:: 17 May 1999
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I haven't seen any models of the VR4 since 93. I had a model a few years ago. A friend of mine put it together and it looked just like my car ! (I used to have a base 93) Unfortunatley, I was dusting the den one day and knocked it off the shelf. I put it in a bag with intentions of fixing it, but the Mrs. thought it was trash accidently and tossed it out.

As far as the VR4 logo, it's on the car, but I removed mine...along with the window stickers that said "twin turbo".

For the Vette......nice car ! Good looks, fast, etc. etc. I was considering one, but I need the traction in the snowy weather, so I went for the VR.

The only problem with the VR is finding one ! Getting a 99 may be next to impossible.

Larry VR4

Date:: 17 May 1999
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JTRuffs, I haven't yet seen those Tamiya models that you are talking about, but Tamiya DOES make remote control cars. I used to have an "offroad" r/c car....it was fun, but they also make r/c "street" cars. I thought about getting a kit, and buying a Camaro body for it....but figured it would be more of a decoration so passed on it. They have interchangeable bodies, so I could buy one with a Porsche body, then get a Camaro body as well....not worth the $400 or more for all the parts though. I would get a rise out of running it once or twice, and then it would just sit and collect dust.

I get an Ertl news letter (joined the hobby club..I must be a dork!) and they are in the process of designing some 2nd generation Camaro Z28s...Awesome models! I can't wait until they come out. I beleive they are 1970s or 1971s.

Date:: 17 May 1999
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VR4 EQUALS FERRARI, PORCHE 911 TURBO, LAMBORGINI !!!

Maybe not in performance, but certainly in sound !!

OK, let me elaborate a bit.....I bought a set of "Hella" German made horns to replace the stock toy sounding ones. They sound much, much better and "classier".

Larry VR4

Date:: 17 May 1999
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Thanks again everybody who responded. I also have another question. Does the VR4 come with automatic transmission? And what is up with the new spoiler. How do you think that looks? I personally like the SL's spoiler. Can i get that on the VR4. Thanks

Date:: 17 May 1999
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What the heck!!! I just heard they are not going to make a 2000 model of the 3000GT. Is this true? And if so WHY!!!! Thanks

Date:: 17 May 1999
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What do you guys think of the new Trans AM? Thanks

Date:: 17 May 1999
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Larry,

Why did you removed you VR4 sign? Did you do that so that know one would know that it's an twin turbo? I've only met a few people that actually knows what VR4 stands for. Last week I had two guys in a lowered '91 Accord asked me what VR4 stands for. After I told them what it stood for one of the guys said "Oh, that's sweet!" Then they sped off. I guess I don't have to take mine off since nobody here knows what it stands for. I even have VR4 on my license plate too.

JT Ruffs

Date:: 17 May 1999
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What DOES VR-4 stand for? Sorry, don't have one yet - I'm working on it!!

Jato

Date:: 17 May 1999
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What do I think of the new T/A? I think it's ugly. I hate the front end on the T/A, and I'm not into all those flashy ground effects. I do like the high-rise wing on the T/A though. I personally would go with a Formula. They are lighter than the T/A, cheaper than the T/A, and lighter means faster!

What DOES VR4 stand for?

No VR4 for 2000? what gives?

And about that VR4 wing....WHAT was Mitsubishi thinking? The group of people that purchase these cars are not little boy-racers....WHY would they want some rediculous wing on the rearend that looks like a towel rack? That thing is hideous! It ruins the entire car. No wonder I haven't seen any 99 VR4 on the road yet! I'd be damned if I'd buy a Corvette or a Camaro with a rediculous wing on it like that. The one on the Toyota Supra isn't much better.....leave it up to Mitsubishi to destroy the looks of a great looking car like the 3000GT VR4. I mean, hell....they even did away with the AWD Turbo for the Eclipse....STUPID!

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Date:: 17 May 1999
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I have been away in the service for about 4 years. Since I have been a kid my dad has always had some kind of smooth car that he promises to one day bequeath to me. He was currently driving a 93 3000GT base model, pearl white. Very nice car (maybe not to all you VR4 nuts). He calls me up one day and says he has just decided to buy a new Dodge Intrepid, he wants to know if I would like his 3000. I was until then driving a BMW325. It was suprisingly fast, much to the dismay of several Firebirds, and a couple Vettes. (I'm not lying) Of course I jumped at the offer, but took it with a grain of salt since he had never lived up to his automotive promises. He calls me up about a week later and says he is bringing it down to me. I pass the Beamer over to my g/f and start driving the 3000 and fall in love with it. Suddenly my much loved BMW seems like driving a go kart. The handling and braking just are not on par with the Mitz. I come home for good about a year later, and have never realy opened it up yet. OK, maybe a few times but i am still getting a feel for it. I am driving down the road one day with a buddy of mine who works at a Chevy dealer. He is going on and on about those new Firebird and T/A Ram Airs. I tell him I fear no chevy and he proceeds to talk trash. Well as luck would have it, a few miles down the road as we go through traffic guess what comes rolling up from behind. A very nice looking White T/A Ram Air. he comes up next to us with some black tint but i can feel the looks coming through the windows. The T/A messes around in the traffic a little, while I am telling my buddy "Yeah, whatever. He dont even want to get on the highway with me". Low and behold he does. We are sitting at the light gettig on to a two lane Highway that leads to the expressway and the T/A is in front of us. The light changes, he has a car in front of him that gets off on a ramp. Its wide open in front of him and hes just sitting there. So I do what any normal jack ass would do, I drop to third at about 75 and whiz around him on the right. I got about 10 car lengths in front and slow down to wait. He takes the bait, comes up beside us and dumps his four barrell. WHAAAVOOOOM! It did sound good... So I open up the 6 banger and start shifting at around 7k, just into the red. I mean damn. Thats what the car is made for right?! We are quickly in front of him, and stay that way for 7 or 8 miles. He just wouldnt slow down and take a beating. Eventualy we crest a hill and some older fella, using his Grand dad driving skills cuts me off. I whip it over to pass and cut off the T/A. Thats when i noticed my tires were low. I make another point to leave Mr. V8 in the smoke of high octane one more time just to prove a point the my friend (who is holding on for dear life at this point, 125 through mild traffic aint his bag) that no Ram Air Whatever can hang with the 3000.

Having felt the wrath Mr. T/A passes after we slow back to the speed limit, reverently. lol, it was sweet. ;-P

Killer@Large... Long Live the 3000.

Date:: 18 May 1999
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Just a quick note:

The new Firebirds are a bit flashy, I like the Camero much better, especially the SS. Spoiler ?? Is that what that is ? I thought a WWI bi-plane had rear ended a Stealth.

No auto trans in the VR, only a 6 speed. I took the VR4 & turbo stickers off so as not to attract attention (cops). It's also great for fooling Mustangs (and Saabs, if you remember my earlier post). I also removed all the wording and numbers on the rear....3000GT, Mitsubishi, etc. Now I get comments like "Did you have your car re painted ? There's no stickers on it".....Just can't win, I guess.

Are they really going to make a 2000 model ? I heard they only manufactured 66 99's.

Killer, I hope you're not claiming you ate this Trans-Am with a Base GT !! I had a 93. It was gorgeous, but was basically not a very fast car despite the mods.

Last of all: What the hell DOES VR4 stand for ?? I assume the "4" has to do with 4 wheel steering and 4(all)wheel drive. What about the "VR" ?

Please, I gotta know !

Larry VR4

Date:: 18 May 1999
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Ok Ok ive been reading all the stories about the Vr4'S and the other cars out there. So I asked myself should I add to this boasting and braging? What the hell I feel proud! Now dont all you non vr4 owners start replying and bitching about how your muscle car can whip the **** out of the vr4 and how we suck because we have a mean machine. Save it. Anyway my best competitor to date has meen a awesome red ferrari I met on the Garden State Parkway on the way back from the shore. I was at the toll booth when he came up behind me with a roar . I asked myself as I looked in the rear view , what the hell is that? after paying the toll I crept away barely letting the turbos kick as I saw him ripp pass me. You know what im feeling now, ripp it! My heart felt like I ran two miles as I downshifted to second at the same time gripping the wheel and telling my brother in the passenger side to hold on. At this time he was a good 10 car leangth's ahead as I was approaching 100mph you guys know what happens in fourth gear at 100 mph you see 120, 125, 130 really quick! This f---er was mean though. He kept pulling away. I was starting to feel like all of the pretty horse owners feel with their loud exhaust's and cocky attitude's. We were coming up on another toll booth as I saw him sitting there with the top down wondering how the hell didnt he fly out? Anyway he was waiting for me! Now my palms are sweaty my brother is ****ten in his pants as I tell myself give it all you got. I slowly paid the toll as i hear his engine whine as he was reving. At about 10mph I took it up to about 5500rpms and dumped the clutch, yes the tires did slip for a second(rare) . But I had about a half a car jump on his ass. He slowly crept by me between 60-80 mph. But I was on his ass the whole time we got back up to 140 for a second and he was never anymore than two car leanth's ahead of me.And by the way the car never saw that sixth gear! I felt pretty good knowing that my car was about 1/4 the price and could hang with a nasty machine like a ferrari.Its the only car yet that I havent passed. At the time I was all stock now Ive done hks double intake(you know the double mushroom with two green ends) and the hks exhaust dual 3inch tips on both sides kinda looks like stock. Very noticable difference in torque and power. To all you guys who feel like your getting used to the power, this upgrade will make you drive around all night again and waste someore gas : ). And if your the guy who keeps his window down to hear the turbos better they get alot loder and are enhanced by the swwooosh you hear everytime you shift by the intake. I love it ! I just want to see another ferrari :) Danny-NJ proud owner of a 97 vr4

Date:: 18 May 1999
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I'm wishing that somehow Mitsubishi can shave about 300 pounds of the VR4. I know that's a lot of weight considering what the VR4 has (all-wheel drive, leather seats, etc.) but if they could, imagine how much quicker it would be. The VR4 is either matching or keeping pace with cars out there weighing 100, 200 and in the Corvette's case 400 pounds less. On paper, the Corvette flat out humilates the VR4 in the quarter mile but in the real world I've yet to see that happen. The Skyline GT and GT-R will be on our shores sometime next year (according to June 99 issue of Turbo Mag). They also mention that the VR4 really only has 3 or 4 useable gears in it's 6-speed transmission. I can vouch for that because fifth and sixth gear on these cars are useless. The VR4 has much room for improvement and I know that Mitsubishi knows this. When they decide to pull out all the stops on the VR4, it's going to dust just about everything out there in it's price range.

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Date:: 18 May 1999
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Date:: 18 May 1999
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Larry, Camaro is spelled C-A-M-A-R-O, NOT C-A-M-E-R-O (just to nit-picking)haha!

First off, in a basemodel 3000GT, this fella did NOT beat any new RamAir TransAm.

Marc says that they should remove about 400lbs from the 3000GT. I agree. They could start by removing that rediculous spoiler.

Marc also states that the Skyline is coming to US shores...Will it be a de-tuned version of the Skyline? I didn't think it was able to pass US laws. How much is it going to sell for? Do you have any information on it?

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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I think these high spoilers are getting out of hands. I do like them, only on the Supras and the 3KGTs (97-98) though. I've seen many Integras, Accords, Preludes, and Civics with those high spoilers and them look ridiculous. What are these guys thinking? From time to time I'll see a spoiler that is too big for the rearend of the car and they still put it on. I've even seen Supra-like spoilers on pick-up trucks. Now, isn't that funny?!! Hehehe!! The first time I saw the Supra spoiler, I gotta admit, I didn't like it at all. But now I do, only on the Supra. I think only the Supra has the body for it. I like how the 3KGT spoiler is 3 piece. It looks better like that. I do have to agree with you guys on the new 3KGT spoiler. Mitsubishi has to give this spoiler thing a better look because the Eclipes spoilers are pretty funny too. My 3KGT has an active areo. Do you guys like that kind of spoilers?

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Sorry Dan.....what the hell do I know anyway, I drive a Mitsubooshi.

Larry

Date:: 19 May 1999
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The only info I have RatedZ is from the June 1999 issue of Turbo Magazine. There is a correction I have to make from my last post, Turbo Mag says that Nissan is trying to setup Skyline dealerships across the U.S. as we speak. In addition, the Syline GT and GT-R are now available for sale through certain dealers in the U.S as of last month. They didn't go into great detail about how you can contact these "dealers" but I guess Nissan would be the obvious place to start. However, because of the 49 state emission laws, you won't see the 1100 horsepower version the Skyline in the U.S.. The cars for sale will be the "watered-down" versions of the car. They will sell for between $55K and $80K. Of course, once you buy one there will be a slew of aftermarket products available. Turbo magazine also mentioned some other things but I don't have it in front of me at the moment. Pick up a copy. They also have an article on the 99 VR4 that's interesting.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Just a comment to those of you that ar interested: In Japan, where all these great cars come from (by the way, most of the ones that make it here are DE-TUNED) has the strictest vehicle laws in the world ! The speed limits are limited to no more than 90kph or 55.9mph. They are so strict that if you are caught speeding, they will heavily fine you and quite possibly jail you ! I've been there a few times, and have asked friends of mine why the sale of such hot cars in a place where you can't use them. His response was "Marketing !". I know for a fact they are so market/trend driven there that they'll buy just about anything high tech related. If any of you are "gadget" oriented like me, Japan is the place to go. It's also the cleanest country I've ever been to as well as the safest. The people are very hospitable. The youger kids LOVE americans. They'll stop you on the street just to chat (they like to practice their English) and have a photo taken with you......yes, they DO take cameras wherever they go !

Larry

p.s. CamEro......see Dan, I'm learning.

Date:: 19 May 1999
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No Larry! CamAro! haha.

Marc...what are the hp figures of the Skylines coming to the USA? What's this about an 1100hp Skyline?! That thing's a beast! Is there such a "street car" as that out of the Nissan factory? Can it be daily driven, and sit in traffic? Is it reliable? It's a beast!

You also mentioned that the price is between 55K and 80K. Who in their right mind would spend 55K-80K on a Nissan? I think that with prices like that, the life of the Skyline in the USA will be short-lived.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Hi again everybody. I think i have decided to get the corvette. It is mainly because i must have an automatic. Also what do you guys think of the 3000GT SL compared to the corvette? And if anybody has more info on the corvette, like winter driving, reliability ect. that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Date:: 19 May 1999
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The company that's taking orders for Skyline GT-R's and V-Spec's is MotorEx. MotorEx is only certified to bring in OE-spec cars, so a fully-tuned Skyline (1100 HP ouch!)can't be sold by them but "light modified", which is an exhaust system, intake, clutch, turbo timer, gauges and suspension will be permitted. Only engine mods that affect emissions are not allowed. As far as insurance, the Skyline will be insured similar to a 300ZX or 240SX. Financing is totally up to the buyer, however, MotorEx has found a finance company that specializes in exotic and rare automobiles. The models being offered are: R32 (1990-1994) R33 (1995-1998) and the new '99 R34's. Nismo 400R's may also be offered if they clear emissions testing. Since MotorEx will buy the car from Japan, they require a 20-percent deposit. Once the demand kicks in, they will stock some cars that you can buy "off the lot". And yes, the steering wheel will be on the right-hand side. Shifting left-handed for me would be hilarious. By the way, the only horsepower numbers I see here is for the Nismo 400R which is 400 HP. I vaguely remember though that the US legal GT-R (there is no GT model) was about 282 horsepower but the car was nailing 13.5 quarter-mile's at around 104mph. OK, finally here are the prices listed in the magazine:

1990 R32 GT-R $36,000 1999 R33 GT-R $75,000 1999 R33 V-Spec $78,000 1999 R34 GT-R $85,500 1999 R34 V-Spec $89,500 Nismo 400R To be determined

I'll see if I can dig up the article on that 1100 hp Skyline to see what was said about the reliability.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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1990 R32 GT-R $36,000 1999 R33 GT-R $75,000 1999 R33 V-Spec $78,000 1999 R34 GT-R $85,500 1999 R34 V-Spec $89,500 Nismo 400R To be determined

I'll see if I can dig up the article on that 1100 hp Skyline to see what was said about the reliability.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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1990 R32 GT-R $36,000 New R33 GT-R $75,000 New R33 V-Spec $78,000 New R34 GT-R $85,500 New R34 V-Spec $89,500 Nismo 400R To be determined

I'll see if I can dig up the article on that 1100 hp Skyline to see what was said about the reliability.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Just thought you guys would like to read my last post 3 times. :-) To the guy who's thinking about buying the Corvette, I test drove one back in 1997 and it was an automatic. The ride is almost like a sports sedan but a touch stiffer. That Corvette had the real-time dampening system. Plenty fast and excellent control was what I remembered most but for winter driving the C5 is just not a winter car even though it has standard traction control. The cars have 3 year-36,000 mile warranties, so Chevy is confident about it's reliabilty. I've heard nothing but good things about it and from personal experience, it's a very nice car. As far as the 3000GT SL, I owned a 93 SL and it was a very reliable car. Mine was a 5-speed manual and before I traded it in for a 97 VR4, it had 91,000 miles on it. It took a beating from these rough streets in Chicago but it took the beating well. The SL's are slow off the line but when you get around 60mph or so it's got good pickup from there, however don't think about trying to run with Corvettes, Mustang SVT's or a Camaro Z28's. Or is it Camero? :-) I tried a late model Z28 (1995 I think?) once on the expressway and I was in front of him on the expressway about a car length and decided to punch it on him. I punched the gas at around 60mph and he didn't pass me till about 80mph. Once he passed me though, no miracle known to man would have helped me catch him. The SL is a TOTALLY different car from the VR4 but it's still a good buy.

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Date:: 19 May 1999
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Date:: 20 May 1999
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Man driving on the right side.....that would be too weird. Do you guys know if you have to take a special driving class to drive a right driving side car? You know, I've actually seen a couple Jeeps around town that was driven on the right side. Yeah Mark, that would be hilarious shifting with my left hand.

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Date:: 20 May 1999
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I would probably have to learn how to drive all over again with that Skyline. In addition to the steering wheel being on the right side, you would probably have the accelerator pedal on the left side of the steering wheel. My right foot knows how to accelerate just right but my left just shifts all day. If I had to accelerate with my left foot, I would probably end up in a tree somewhere. Oh well, uncoordinated people like myself are always used to these challenges.

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Date:: 20 May 1999
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Left or right hand drive, the pedals are still set up the same way. Here in New Zealand we drive right-hand drives, and I can't imagine shifting with my right-hand!! Guess it just depends on what you're used to.

Date:: 21 May 1999
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Driving on the opposite side is freaky (to us anyway). I was in a cab in a country where they drive on the left and my buddy was sitting in the front seat as a passenger (what is normally the drivers side for us) He kept turning around to talk to me, and I kept yelling "Watch the road !!" Of course downing a few beers before hand didn't help.

Dan, form now on I'll just refer to your car as "Fast, great looking and cool", OK ?

Larry

p.s. Did I miss a post.....WHAT DOES "VR" STAND FOR !!!

Date:: 21 May 1999
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GEEZ MARC! HOW MANY TIMES YA GONNA POST THE SAME THING?! :)

Larry, you about hit the nail on the head with that post....great looking and fast...sorta like the perfect woman! hehe!

I can't wait to see one of these Skylines on the road. Now that I know they are here, I really want a piece of one...even though I'll probably get blown away!

Ok, I have a story for you all...a WAR story!

Last night, I ran into my first confrontation with a 1999 Mustang GT. This guy still had his temporary tags on it, so I know it was brand new...less than a month old...probably not even broken in....anyway, he pulls up next to me revving his engine, jumping on and off the gas, popping his clutch, etc....we come to the end of the road, and I start revving my engine back at him. He gets behind me, and follows. We get out onto a highway, and he's trying to race.....naturally, I had a car in front of me and nowhere to go...I guess he expected me to run through it? Anyway, I'm thinking "ok idiot, what do you want me to do?" Apparently, he wanted me to do NOTHING. Well, we finally meet at a redlight with a clear road ahead. The light turns green, and I take off. I leave him standing at the line burning up his tires and his clutch. He was not catching up, but just fading. The race was over by 70mph. Naturally, like every Mustang owner, they go flying by you at a very high speed so you think they're fast...even though you just beat the hell out of them. I think that is so funny! Of course, he's not happy, and the poor sport that he is, starts cussing and making obscene gestures. Hey, it ain't my fault he chose to buy a 260hp piece of crap. Don't blame me! And nobody asked him to roll up on me and mess around either! So anyway, I'm sure he's got pee in his Wheaties and is ready to return his brand new car to the dealer. :)

To change the subject. I'm thinking about getting a new car (of course I'm keeping the Camaro B4C!). I can't decide between a new Formula Firebird, Camaro Z28 (1LE, B4C), a new Mustang is definitely outta the question after last night, a used Competition Yellow C4 Corvette (I love the yellow!), or maybe a used VR4...maybe a 94 or 95. Does anyone know what the going price is for these VR4s? But then again, I haven't seen any for sale (yet). I want something that's faster than my car, or just as fast, but easy and cheap to modify.

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Date:: 22 May 1999
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I heard that 1999 is going to be the last year the 3000 GT will be offered. Has anyone heard this terrible news? or did I hear something wrong?

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Date:: 22 May 1999
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Hi everybody. I am the guy who said he decided to buy a corvette. Well, i changed my mind. I need winter driving ability. But i don't know how to drive a stick shift car. and i know i want a VR4. My questions are Is there any year VR4 that has automatic trans.? And if not do you think it is resonable to learn how to drive stick and then get this car? and Also what is the availibility of the VR4? PS I am really jealous of all you VR4 owners. I just test drove the camaro. When i floor it the wheels just spin, that sucks. I have heard the VR4s don't. That really rocks. I just wish i could get one. Are there any other sports cars that compare to the VR4 that can drive in the winter? Thanks

Date:: 22 May 1999
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RatedZ/Dan,.....Oh man, I wished I was there with you. I love it when a newer car gets the crap beat out of them by an older car.

Anyway, we had wonder weather in Oregon today so everybody was out cruising. (It usually rains here. Just stopped two days ago. But expected to rain on Wednesday. It sucks......oh I have a VR4....no problem.) Well, I was heading out to the supermarket to get drinks for my party today and a little Turob MR2 comes zooming right next to me. I knew right away that he wanted to play. I was going to floor it with him, but I backed off. Then on my way back home, I stopped at a 7-11 and what do you know, there was an early model Camaro with its hood removed because of its gigantic engine, and a convertable Corvette parked in the parking lot. I think the two guys saw me pulling in so when I walked in the door, they let the customers behind them go ahead of them. We needed up next to each other in line so we all walked out one after another too. When we got to ours cars they started revving their engines and looked right at me. Boy were they loud. I couldn't even heard my stereo. I just turned the other way, put on my sunglasses and went on my way. What was I suppose to do? I'm sure if I punched it was them they wouldn't be able to hear my engine.

Okay one last thing.....has anybody raced a 300ZX Twin Turbo? I drove a Twin Z last week and it was weak. Two guys at my party was claiming that the VR4's would never beat the 300ZX Twin Turbo becausse it's too heavy and it's slow. I didn't want to say anything, but I think I can. Do any of you know which car would come out victorious?

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Date:: 23 May 1999
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I've raced 300ZX Twin Turbos before...they're a big joke. They weigh in at around 3700lbs too....they have RWD but you VR4 guys have the wonderful AWD. You'll beat them....trust me, you'll beat them. I pulled up next to one the other night that appeared to have an exhaust, and had the typical "riceboy" towel-rack spoiler on it....he didn't want none. He would sit and rev his engine, but when there was a clear stretch of highway, he didn't want a piece of me. I don't know if I mentioned the 300ZXTT that wouldn't race in my last post when I mentioned a run-in with a 99 Stang GT.

JTRuff....you'll beat one. 300ZXTTs are weak. The way I see it, they are overpriced underachievers. A bone stock Fbody V8 that cost half of the price of a 300ZXTT will walk it like there's no tomorrow.

Date:: 23 May 1999
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What a coincidence ! I was at Circuit City yesterday, and when I came out of the store there was a black 300Z TT parked next to me. I was looking it over when the owner came out and we started chatting. Seems he had some added mods.......exhaust, chip, filter-charger, Eibachs and some Stillen larger turbos. He claimed to have about 400hp. We got to talking about "quicker", and the next thing I knew we decided to run. We cruised a bit till we got to a stop light on a not to busy road. When the light turned green we went. He worked the clutch just right and didn't spin much at all (I didn't spin a bit). We were dead even for about a solid half mile. The only reason I was a bit, and I do mean a BIT ahead, like maybe 3 feet, was because of the launch. We tried it again, and the same outcome: DEAD EVEN. It's nice to know my stock VR had the same capabilities as a heavily modified TT Z ! We chatted a bit more later on, and wound up getting a beer together (he bought). Turns out the guy was really nice and had lots of respect for all kunds of cars. I also found out the my wife and his work for the same company....small world ! It was a pleasure to meet another enthusiast. It was also great to prove to myself that my VR can hold its own against most other road warriors !

Larry VR4

One more time: WHAT DOES VR STAND FOR ??????

Date:: 23 May 1999
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I think VR4 is a symbol of Twin Turbo and those other stuff you had mention. I'm not sure what the "VR" really stands for. It could be some Japanese word that looks like "VR" if you translate it to english. But, the Mitsubishi Galant (VR4) and the VW Corrado (VR6) also has a "VR" model. Does that mean that they are Twin Turbo too. I just know all the 3KGT's I've seen with VR4 are Twin Turbo, AWD, AWS, and has 300+ HP.

About the 300ZXTT, the guy at my party also claims that it also looks better than the 3KGT's. I DON'T THINK SO!!! It does have its own looks, but I'll have to be blind to pick the 300ZX over any year model of the 3KGT's. I don't dislike the 300ZX, but I just perfer the 3KGT.

Thanks for the comments

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Date:: 23 May 1999
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Hey guys! My Internet Explorer has got a couple of issues. Hopefully, there won't be any more multiple postings. Rated Z, if you can find a 94 or 95 VR4 with low miles(40,000miles) it will run you between $19K-$23K. A great place to start looking would be www.traderonline.com. They're an excellent resource for all used cars as well as some new ones. For the guy that is seriously considering the VR4, all VR4's 91-99 have manual transmissions. When I bought my 91 SL, which is a 5-speed, I didn't know how to drive a manual. The salesperson took me out in a 89 Honda Civic on the side streets. I learned in 10 minutes but the main reason I learned was because I wanted that 3000GT so bad. Anyway, once I bought the SL, I had to drive home by myself at night from the dealer which was about 7 miles down a main street. So, if you're enthusiastic about getting the car, you will learn. The VR4 is an easy car to drive which helps at lot. I share that feeling with Larry and I'll say it again, although the VR4 weighs about 3800 pounds, the fact that it can run with or beat cars weighing less with the same horsepower is a true testament to the car. If Mitsubishi could find a way to shed about 200 or 300 pounds from this car, it would toast it's competitors. I will be getting the HKS exhaust system in July which will get me to about 350-355 HP. I saw a blue 1998 Dodge Viper last month and ever since then I wanted to get my car up to 400 HP. We'll see.

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Date:: 24 May 1999
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Marc,

Let me know how you like the exhaust system when you get it. Is it the one with the single outlet or the dual ? I had a Borla on my 93 base. I liked the way it looked as compared to the HKS, and was easier to keep clean and polished. It also had a nice sound to it..not loud or abnoxious. Any reason you're going for the HKS in lieu of the Borla ?

JT, I was thinking, the "V" may stand for V6. Now we gotta work on that "R".

Dan,

Before you buy, know the worth ! If you go on line to "www.kbb.com" (Kelley Blue Book), you'll get a wealth of information. Enter the year, make, model, mileage etc. You'll be able to get both the retail and trade-in values......a good negotiating tool. You can even do a Title Search for $20. The information you'll true and accurate, nor matter what car salesman tell you. The truth is they HATE the stuff the internet tells you......it leaves them totally unarmed when it comes to "shafting" customers.

Another great site to check out is "www.autopedia.com" All kinds of info on leasing, pricing and a wealth of other tips for car folks.

Larry VR4

Date:: 24 May 1999
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Thanks for the info about what a used VR4 will run. I will definitely have to look into it. I may be starting a new job at State Farm Insurance, and I hear they compensate VERY well. I might just get "cocky" and go out and buy myself another awesome automobile.

It's funny. I bought a Sony Playstation for my girlfriend, and I bought a game called Gran Turismo. I have a 930-940hp GTO in that game....if it steers anything like the real thing, I may be disappointed.....it experiences MAJOR understeer!

Larry, about the 300ZXTT owner you ran into...that must be a rarity! Most of the ones I come up against are cocky little s.o.bs. That was really cool.

Marc, do you currently have any mods done to your VR4? If not, I would hate to disappoint, but you probably will not get close to 350hp with just an exhaust. You may bump it up to around 330 or 335 at the most.

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Date:: 24 May 1999
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Understand Rated Z that this is a Stage 1 upgrade. Not only are the mufflers being replaced but so is the downpipe and the Y-pipe. In addition, a K&N Filtercharger will be installed. That's a 30HP gain. Stage 1 sets the stage "no pun intended" for Stage 2 which includes the Super Power Flow Air Filter which would add another 14 HP to the total. So, that's adds up to 364 HP. The reason why I chose HKS was because it's more performance per dollar than the Borla system, the Borla system is about $400 more than the HKS. I may "get off the dime" and go with Borla because of their million-mile warranty on their stainless steel system. The extra $400 would be worth it. The guy that's doing the work talked to me briefly about a 93 VR4 he used to have. He mentioned that Stage 1 doesn't do that much for the car considering it's weight but Stage 2 and 3 makes the car stretch it's legs, especially at speeds over 70 mph. I don't think I'll do Stage 3 until next year but I'm looking forward to it.

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Date:: 24 May 1999
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I have an 86 trans am I put 1500 in the engine so all to gether I spent 9000 dollars and I can blow a gt 3000 right off the road you tell me wich one is better

Date:: 24 May 1999
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What is the VR4s 0-60 time? And have any of you heard about the new BMW M5-400hps and 0-60 in 5.3? Thanks

Date:: 24 May 1999
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Sounds cool Marc. I don't get this "Stage" stuff though. I would also spend the cash and go with a Borla because of the stainless steel construction. It would pay off in the long run.

and the other guy....the 3000GTVR4 is better. 1986 Firebirds are trash. You'd have to throw more than $1500 into your puny little 305 anemic piece of garbage to run with a 3000GTVR4. That's "wich" one is better. I'll take the 6banger with the Twin Turbos over a Chevy 305 ANY DAY. 305s were jokes of the town. Sorry, but 190horsies doesn't phase me when I'm pumpin over 300.

RatedZ@aol.com

P.S. Firebird boy...and I drive a Camaro, not a 3000GTVR4. See that, your own "breed" doesn't even agree with your stupid ramblings. Now, if you don't like 3000GTs, go somewhere else. That's about all you will find here.

Date:: 26 May 1999
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"Stages" mean the same thing as steps so to speak, or the addition of various modifications a bit at a time. It's a term that I think Stillen coined. Step 1 is a group of modifications such as exhaust, intake. Step 2 may be a chip and shocks, springs, Step 3 may mean the addition of larger turbos, injectors, extrude honed manifold. Step 4 could be nitrous (these steps are cumulative)Steps 5 and 6 could mean the addition of a jet engine from a Scud missile and so on and so on.

Hey Dan, why so testy with the Firebird guy ? Did you check out those web sites yet ? There's another one called "www.motortrendauto.com"

Date:: 26 May 1999
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Hi all,

To the person asking about the the 3000GT/Stealth Twin Turbo 0-60 times. What I'm going to list is what I have read in various magazines and articles, please don't jump on my back about these figures.

I've read a best of 4.8 seconds to a worse of 5.7 seconds. But realistically I would say 5.4 seconds. Remember these are professional drivers doing these tests with sophisticated equipment (hopefully), not your average "Joe Blow" with a stop watch in a parking lot.

If anybody has a G-Tech which can confirm these times it would be greatly appreciated.

Jammer "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

Date:: 26 May 1999
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Marc...The Firebird guy I'll address first...he's being an idiot, and giving us Fbody owners a bad name (suprise, suprise). There's too many "roodypoo" Fbody owners as it is. He's what started the "redneck dream car" stereotype about Fbodies.

Secondly...thanks for explaining "Stages."

I haven't seen any of the websites that you asked about Marc. Which websites?

In response to Jammer95...Jammer, I've seen the newest Road&Track 1999 Performance Guide and they tested a VR4 @ 14.1 @ 99 I believe. Not bad for a 3700lb-3800lb car. I think the 0-60 was somewhere in the vicinity of 5.5 or 5.8.

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Date:: 27 May 1999
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Hey Rated Z,

I think that was Larry that responded to your last post about the Firebird guy and the "stages". The only way I think it was Larry is because on occasion he calls you by your first name.

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Date:: 27 May 1999
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Okay, thanks Marc! Yep, must be Larry that calls me by my first name...You'll make a fine detective Marc! :)

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Date:: 28 May 1999
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BUSTED !

Sorry guys, I forgot to sign my name on that post.

Here's wishing everyone a great Memorial Day weekend ! Can you believe the Summer's about to start ?

By the way Jammer, my brother-in-law's brother, happens to have a G-tech. I'll see if I can borrow it this weekend and do some time checks. I used it once before on my 93 base, and the best time I got was 8.3. It was NOT a quick car.

Larry

Date:: 28 May 1999
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Hi Larry,

Yah, I'd really like to know what the "average" person is getting for 0-60 times in a Twin Trubo 3/S.

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Date:: 28 May 1999
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Okay everyone, this off the mark a bit, but I do need some assistance. My brother has a 1989 GTA w/ L98 engine. It is not leaking oil, it is not burning oil, but it is "eating" oil. He is also experiencing an oil pressure gauge that moves very erratically, and has a bad engine knock. It also will not go above 3000rpms. Now, i'm thinking that it is a spun bearing, or something with the pistons or valves not seated properly, causing the engine to internally burn the oil. Does anyone have any idea of what the problem could be?

Date:: 28 May 1999
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okay guys, last post was RatedZ@aol.com about the L98 GTA! forgot to post my name :)

Date:: 30 May 1999
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Dan,

Have you run a compression check ? From what you said, I'll bet it's way down. A new head gasket may be in order.

Larry

Date:: 30 May 1999
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man i got a vr4 that mother bleeping thing wont even beat a escort

Date:: 31 May 1999
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To the last post "er": I've beaten PLENTY of Escorts ! It's those Chevy Vega's I can't keep up with. Who is this clown anyway ?? Quick war story : Blew the doors off a Porche Boxter the other morning ! They are quick little buggers !

Dan, along with the head gasket, may need a vaove job also. Before you stert looking to do the work.....check all vacuum fittings and see if you can find a good shop that'll run a diagnostic.

Larry VR4

Quick war story

Date:: 31 May 1999
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Hi all,

To the guy who can't beat an escort. 1st thing, what are you doing racing an escort. 2nd thing, you probably don't know how to drive, maybe that's why you can't beat an escort.

BTW, Larry what the heck is a Chevy Vega?

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Date:: 31 May 1999
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If this guy can't beat an Escort with a VR4 maybe he needs to take up bike riding if that's not to hard.

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Date:: 31 May 1999
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Okay...in response to Larry's post:

Larry, I finally got a chance to check out the car this past weekend for myself, as I visited my parents. I opened up the radiator and the overflow and they both were contaminated with huge amounts of oil. I have come to the conclusion that the car does indeed have a bad headgasket. This is more than likely the reason it will not run above 3000rpms, as it is losing a great amount of compression. What confuses me is that the car would actually start after a bit of trying! That's very strange for a car with a bad head gasket. If we are lucky, all that it will need is a possible valvejob or something. The engine was knocking pretty loudly. Hopefully everything other than that is still in good running shape.

For they guy with the 3000GT that gets beaten by Escorts...you need to "escort" yourself to a dealership so you will actually have a 3000GT to race an Escort in. I get the feeling that you don't own one of these cars.

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Date:: 02 Jun 1999
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I have a war story too....

Sunday afternoon, my brother, his buddy, and I were speeding to the airport because they only had an hour and a half left before their departure time. I notice up ahead was a nice lookin' car, but I couldn't tell what it was. As I got closer, it turned out to be a red '98 3000GT. I couldn't yet tell what model it was so I speeded up a little bit more. It was just a base model, but I looked really nice. Since we were both in the middle lane of a three lane highway, and I was in a hurry, I pulled into the left lane and pushed my car right next to his. With a slower car up ahead in my lane, I went faster and cut infront of the 3KGT with about a car and an half distance between us. I think his was pissed because I did that. When we past the slow car at about 85 mph he went to the left lane (I'm in the middle now) and zipped past me. I knew right then that he wanted to run with me, but I don't know if he knew that mine was a VR4. I then accelerated my car next to his again at about 95 mph, looked over at him, and then sped off at 115 mph. He couldn't catch up anymore so he stayed behind.

I have nothing against him or his car, I was just in a hurry to get to the airport.

JT Ruffs

Date:: 02 Jun 1999
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Jammer,

A "Vega" was basically GM's answer to the "Pinto". It was a compact car with an all aluminun engine before they perfected aluminum blocks. They were notorious for block cracking and a host of other problems. The Pinto was a ford compact which had a habit of bursting into flame upon rear impact. In the early 70's there was an energy crisis, and all the car manufactures's made smaller vehicles with minimal horsepower and minimal dependability. I bought a 74 Toyota Corolla in 74, and sold my 68 Pontiac GTO convertable. Before the GTO, I had a Plymouth RoadRunner (also a 68). I bought the GTO used. My Dad bought the RoadRunner when I was in the army, and gave it to me when I got home. Cool Dad, huh ? I just bought my folks a 99 Daewoo (it's a Korean car very much like the Hyundai)

Dan,

Better check the plugs also. I bet they're pretty fouled.

Date:: 03 Jun 1999
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Date:: 03 Jun 1999
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if you all want to talk about speed then buy a cbr 1100xx sportbike,its got a 180 mph top speed,10.9 sec. quarter mile,and a 0-60 time of arond 2.5 sec.,ive also got a 91 vr4,its a nice car but i dont race it,a stock 600 sportbike can easily pull a 11 second quartermile and if you dont believe me then visit motorcycle.com,so if you want the most bang for your buck go buy a new 600 sportbike for around $7,000 bucks and smoke every production car in the world.

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To the guy with the CBR 1100xx. Of course a motorcycle will beat any road car. It is just a totally different "weight class". Motorcycles are still awesome, but I feel a lot safer going 150 in my VR-4, than on any motorcycle.

I like the Honda CBR 900rr better.

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Date:: 05 Jun 1999
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Okay, everyone. The engine in my brother's car is toast. He will be getting a motor from either a company called "Jasper" or "ATK." More than likely he will go to Jasper, due to their great reputation.

As for the guy with the motorcycle...how many times do you think you have to post? Why don't you use your brain, or did you lose it in your last crash? There appeared to be about 8 posts that said the same thing....give it a rest, son.

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Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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What kind of reliablitiy does the 3000gt have? How much does it cost or Repair? Thanks Jawad

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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What kind of reliablitiy does the 3000gt have? How much does it cost or Repair? Thanks Jawad

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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Hrmmm...you guys don't Z-28s, Rustangs, Trans Ams, and Corvettes enough credit. A '99 Z-28 stock will outrun a '99 3000GT...and at half the price.

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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Hrmmm...you guys don't Z-28s, Rustangs, Trans Ams, and Corvettes enough credit. A '99 Z-28 stock will outrun a '99 3000GT...and at half the price.

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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Also, why the hell do you brag that your cars produce almost as much horsepower as an LS1, when you're 6 banger has 2 frickin turbos?! By the way, the LS1 in the f-bodies is WAY underrated at 305 hp, or 320 for the WS6/Firehawk/SS. They do this for insurance reasons, and to give the 'Vette some room at 345. All dynos I've seen have been about 290-295 RWHP, or 340-348 at the crank. Hot Rod magazine even did some dynos on 10 cars, and the T/A dynoed higher than a C5.

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
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Here we go on this speed thing again. By the numbers, yes a '99 Z28 will barely outrun a VR4 but you know what, I still wouldn't buy or trade my car in for one. The resale value of all the cars you mentioned sucks except for the Corvette. The VR4 is a very reliable and highly competent car and on any given day it can outrun a Z28, Mustang Cobra, T/A and vice versa. Twin-Turbo or not, it's about how a car produces power and my twin-turbo 6 banger produces the same or more horsepower and torque than a V8 and if you ever run up againist a VR4 that's game for a race, you'll see. I've beaten a V8 before and the car was even lighter than my VR4.

Marc's 97 VR4

Date:: 06 Jun 1999
Time:: 22:03:03
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Hi all,

This is in response to the guy talking about the Z28s, Mustangs, T/As etc... Before I tell the story I don't want you coming back telling me I'm full of it or crap like that, it's the truth. Here it goes...

I have a friend with a 1994 T/A with Borla exhaust and K&N intake system. We where both on the highway in 3rd gear, I forget what speed and RPM but we both punched-it and I walked away from him. I'm not saying I was 800 car lengths in front of him. I slowly walked away from him. So, if this car stock can beat our cars how come a modified one couldn't. Don't tell me the guy couldn't drive, it's not hard to do just floor it and hold on.

I have another friend with a 1994 "drop-top" Z28, but he's got a 410 gear in the rear diff. We have only raced once, and he slowly (didn't blow me away) walked away from my car. His car is modified my car is bone stock.

Jammer "Firestorm Red" Stealth RT/TT

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